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    #31
    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
    I hope you got something done today? Thanks to auto steer I got 250 acres seeded while chatting with you listening to music. Sure makes the day go faster.
    So I was wondering, what type of music does a Marxist listen to all day, to keep motivated to spread the gospel. So I used my Russian hacker contacts, and we managed to hack into Chuck's 8 track, or walkman, or I-pod, or whatever high tech gadget he uses nowadays, I didn't ask. Anyways, it turns out he has L'International on repeat all day long.

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      #32
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      It’s a good thing we have you to explain the history of the worlds climate in a few sentences. All those 1000s of climate and geo scientists I guess there not needed. It can all be explained by a small group of skeptical farmers who barely understand the difference between weather and climate. LOL
      I know, thanks for agreeing about how ridiculous my statement sounds. It was a paraphrase of what you had just written, with the sole purpose of showing how preposterous your contentions were. I also find it often helps to explain something to someone else, in order to understand it better myself. I've solved a lot of problems just by asking someone else, and half way through trying to explain it, I realize that I didn't understand some basic principle of it, and by explaining it, it becomes crystal clear where my error was.

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        #33
        Chuckys group has lost. , we know it , they know it
        Cold ma nature just wouldnt give them a break at all
        Pretty hard to push that horseshit when record cold temps going on all over the globe and their gods are buying oceanfront second homes

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          #34
          Hypocrisy knows no bounds! Wasting time arguing about things we can’t change and were not the reason for the problem in the first place.

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            #35
            Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
            Never ever said it was just humans. Significant Natural changes Took place over 1000s and 10000s of years,a very different time scale compared to human caused changes since the industrial revolution.

            It’s a good thing we have you to explain the history of the worlds climate in a few sentences. All those 1000s of climate and geo scientists I guess there not needed. It can all be explained by a small group of skeptical farmers who barely understand the difference between weather and climate. LOL
            Chuck according to ice core samples the earth has switched between glacial and inter glacial(what we are in now) periods 17 times. The greatest determining factor according to science is sunlight and how the earth is tilted on its axis and how this affects the earths access to the sun. Funny how this is never brought up? It is all about fear and control!

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              #36
              https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm

              Climate myth:
              Climate's Changed Before

              Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. (Richard Lindzen)



              Scientific analysis of past climates shows that greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. The evidence for that is spread throughout the geological record. This makes it clear that this time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

              Science has a good understanding of past climate changes and their causes, and that evidence makes the human cause of modern climate change all the more clear. Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – have been implicated in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When changes were big and rapid (as they are today), the consequences for life on Earth were often dire – in some cases causing mass extinctions.

              So why is the myth wrong?

              The myth is wrong for two reasons:

              First, to infer that humans can't be behind today's climate change because climate changed before humans is bad reasoning (a non-sequitur). Humans are changing the climate today mainly via greenhouse gas emissions, the same mechanism that caused climate change before humans.
              Second, to imply we have nothing to fear from today's climate change is not borne out by the lessons from rapid climate changes in Earth's past.

              Third rock from the Sun – why we’re not deep frozen.

              A rocky planet this far from the sun should be frozen solid and lifeless at an average temperature of -18°C (0°F). The fact that it isn’t is due to greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, mainly CO2. These atmospheric gasses have been in a delicate balance with the Earth’s oceans, the biosphere, and even the geosphere (all the rocks and sediments). Whether it was frigid ice ages or the steamy climates of the Eocene and the age of the dinosaurs, every change in the Earth (like a decrease in the rate of tectonic plate subduction or an increase in the rate of mountain building) caused a proportional change in CO2 in the atmosphere and in the oceans, and every change in atmospheric CO2 caused a proportional reaction in global temperatures, climate and ocean chemistry.
              Ice ages

              Scientists have shown that CO2 and climate moved in lock-step throughout the Pleistocene ice ages. The ice ages were actually many pulses of cold glacial phases interspersed with warmer interglacials. These pulses had a distinct regularity caused by wobbles in Earth’s orbit around the Sun (Milankovitch cycles). When Earth’s orbit reduced the intensity of sunlight in the northern hemisphere, the Earth went into a glacial phase. When the orbital cycle brought increased the intensity of insolation in the northern hemisphere, ice sheets melted and we went into a warm interglacial. Because warmer oceans can dissolve less CO2, the CO2 levels see-sawed extremely closely with Earth’s temperature. It was a slow pace of change, taking tens to hundreds of thousands of years, and yes as the myth states, in the last million years the biggest orbit-induced cycles were every 100,000 years.

              But we know these orbital changes are not behind today's global warming. In fact our orbit dictates we should be cooling now, not warming.

              The Earth was indeed cooling over the last 6,000 years due to Earth's orbit, heading into the next glacial phase scheduled for about the year 3500 AD. But all that changed when we got to the industrial era. Global temperatures departed from that cooling trend, and instead rose parallel with our greenhouse gas emissions.

              Greenhouse gas levels and temperature in lock-step throughout the most recent ice ages (Centre for Ice and Climate, Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen). Greenhouse gasses and Temperature moved in lock-step through the Pleistocene Ice Ages, controlled by Earth's orbit around the Sun (Centre for Ice and Climate, University of Copenhagen). Arrows show where levels were a few years ago, on the same scale.
              CO2 doesn’t lag behind temperature

              Until 2012, Antarctic ice core data suggested CO2 may have lagged behind the warming trend by hundreds of years. This was used by skeptics to question the link between CO2 and climate. More recent studies, with much more precise correlation between ice cores and global temperature records, have shown that temperature and CO2 changed synchronously in Antarctica during the end of the last ice age, and globally CO2 rose slightly before global temperatures.
              Palm-fringed Arctic and balmy dinosaurs

              It’s true that at times in Earth's past the climate has been as warm or even warmer than temperatures projected for the end of this century and beyond. Aside from some warm interglacials, the average climate was last as warm as we expect in 2100 during the Pliocene epoch – before the emergence of the genus Homo which includes you and me. In that time, summer Arctic temperatures were 3°C (5°F) warmer than today, with CO2 levels similar to today’s and sea levels were 15-25m (50-82ft) higher than today. Rain-drenched forests fringed the Arctic Ocean at the time.


              Going further back to the Eocene, the world then was very warm and humid – on average 10°C (18°F) warmer than today. Lush swamp forests fringed the Arctic, inhabited by turtles, alligators, primates, tapirs, and the hippo-like Coryphodon (just as the myth claims). Lowland Antarctica was warm and covered in near-tropical vegetation, and London was a mangrove swamp as rainforests spread across much of the planet. Going back even further to the age of the dinosaurs, life flourished in a time of high CO2 and generally warm average temperatures with high sea levels. Even Antarctica was forested and supported a healthy population of dinosaurs.
              CO2 and Climate Changes in the last 400 million years

              CO2 and Climate Changes in the last 400+ million years (note all human existence fits under the right-hand vertical axis line). CO2 proxy data from Dan Breeker, U.Texas, originally published here. Greenhouse events in part from Kravchinsky 2012.
              Sudden vs slow change

              Life flourished in the Eocene, the Cretaceous and other times of high CO2 in the atmosphere because the greenhouse gasses were in balance with the carbon in the oceans and the weathering of rocks. Life, ocean chemistry, and atmospheric gasses had millions of years to adjust to those levels.


              But there have been several times in Earth’s past when Earth's temperature jumped rapidly, in much the same way as they are doing today. Those times were caused by large and rapid greenhouse gas emissions, just like humans are causing today. In Earth's past the trigger for these greenhouse gas emissions was often unusually massive volcanic eruptions known as “Large Igneous Provinces,” with knock-on effects that included huge releases of CO2 and methane from organic-rich sediments. But there is no Large Igneous Province operating today, or anytime in the last 16 million years. Today’s volcanoes, in comparison, don’t even come close to emitting the levels of greenhouse gasses that humans do.

              Those rapid global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (huge and rapid carbon emissions, a big rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, ocean acidification, widespread oxygen-starved zones in the oceans) are all happening today with human-caused climate change. The outcomes for life on Earth were often dire. The end Permian extinction saw around 90% of species go extinct, and it left tropical regions on the planet lethally hot, too hot for complex life to survive. The Triassic extinction was another, one of the 5 biggest mass extinctions in the geological record. Even in the end Cretaceous extinction, in which dinosaurs were finally wiped out by an asteroid impact, a major global-warming extinction event was already underway causing a major extinction within 150,000 years of the impact. That global warming 66 million years ago was due to catastrophic eruptions in India, which emitted a pulse of CO2 that sent global temperatures soaring by 7°C (13°F).

              So yes, the climate has changed before, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions offer no comfort at all for the likely outcome from today’s climate change.

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                #37
                We have staved off an impending ice age. Bravo! Too bad we haven't completely gotten rid of it.
                Living about 1000 miles south of the Arctic circle you would think the climate might be nice and mild.
                NO! Nothing much grows here for 6 or seven months of the year. It's always freezing or totally frozen.

                We are in an ice age right now. Weird beyond belief is the fact that people who don't like change and want the globe to cool down because it is warming have no problem with the generally held belief that where we live was once under an ice sheet. A very, very thick ice sheet.

                Many scientists think we should be heading into another ice age right now but greenhouse gasses have delayed it as much as 100,000 years. Bravo again!

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                  #38
                  https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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                    #39
                    https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/ https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

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                      #40
                      https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/ https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/

                      Do scientists agree on climate change?

                      Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here.

                      READ MORE

                      Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming​
                      “The scientific consensus on climate change,” N. Oreskes, Science, Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686, doi: 10.1126/science.1103618 (2004).
                      “Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature,” J. Cook et al., Environ. Res. Lett., 8 024024, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024 (2013).

                      ADDITIONAL CITATIONS

                      "Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming Environ," J. Cook et al., Res. Lett. 11 (2016) 048002, pp 1–7, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 (2016).

                      "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," P. Doran et al., EOS, Vol. 90, Issue 3, Pages 22–23, doi: 10.1029/2009EO030002 (2009).

                      "Expert credibility in climate change," W. Anderegg et al., PNAS, Vol. 107 no. 27, 12107–12109, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1003187107 (2010).

                      "Meteorologists' Views About Global Warming: A Survey of American Meteorological Society Professional Members," N. Stenhouse et al., Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Volume 95 No. 7, pp 1029–1040, doi: 10.1175/ BAMS-D-13-00091.1 (2014).

                      "Scientists’ Views about Attribution of Global Warming," B. Verheggen et al., Environ. Sci. Technol., 48 (16), pp 8963–8971, doi: 10.1021/es501998e (2014).

                      "The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists," J.S. Carlton et al., Environ. Res. Lett. 10 (2015) 094025, pp 1–12, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/10/9/094025 (2015).

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                        #41
                        Who do you think believes their BS selective “data”?blah-blah-blah

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                          #42
                          Name one credible scientific organization in the world that says humans are not causing climate change.

                          I have asked before and not one person has come up with an organization.

                          Have a great Sunday!

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                            #43
                            NASA must be a marxist organization and part of the conspiracy! LOL

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                              #44
                              Chuck seem to be able to gather information and present it, a good start to problem solving.

                              Now put on your fixing hat and tell me what tools you need to repair it.

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                                #45
                                This warming trend when the earth should be cooling is going to be a real boon for life in general far into the future. No more ice sheets over Sask. Bravo!

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