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May 22, 2020 | 06:37 1 Anybody still planting canola? A few years ago planters were all the rage and people seemed to have good luck seeding canola with them and now you hear nothing. Was it a fad, are people still using them,were they cost prohibited just to have one machine to sow canola? Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 06:56 2 Neighbour uses one on most his crop. Comes up perfect at a low seeding rate. Only thing I noticed is that if u aren’t on the weed control patrol the spacing can cause u some grief. Wet years where timing doesn’t allow it it can get out of hand. Other than that u can’t beat it. Oh ya and possible maintenance costs on planter. Like any machine. Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 08:14 3 Ya we are in our 4th year . So far we are happy with it
We Needed either a much bigger drill , that would require a bigger tractor and more hydraulics .... well that would of cost us way over double the planter . Every farm will be different situation.
We pull it with a old 9270 case . Very cheap to run
We seed canola , peas , Blackbeans and have seeded soybeans with it . And do some custom corn planting
The only issue is getting the N down ahead or after .
40ft at 7-8 mph covers a lot of ground in a hurry with very fast fills . 850 gal liquid phos and your Rollin again .
Last edited by furrowtickler; May 22, 2020 at 08:26.
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May 22, 2020 | 08:15 4 Now we just run the bourgault in cereals , but still do canola or peas if we have too Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 08:35 5 Furrow how is the maestro for trash clearence Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 09:07 6
Quote Originally Posted by tubs View Post
Furrow how is the maestro for trash clearence
It’s better to go into standing stubble , we pre worked some this year with the turbo till and it’s not ideal when trash lays flat .
Stubble when put NH3 last fall then lightly harrowed this spring was good .
They are not the best dealing with heavy trash , nature of the beast .
But it still has very good emergence either way Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 10:10 7 Peas seeded with planter into wheat stubble harrowed once last fall ...


Will see how they turn out , was good last year Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 16:49 8 So how do you approach your N and sulphur for the canola if you don't get it down in the fall? Float fines and ESN ahead of the planter? Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 16:50 9 When you mean heavy trash are you talking 150bu oat stubble? Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 16:59 10 Using bio sul now for most acres
I have also used liquid S with round up as per burn or stream it on either before or after the crop is up .
I haves streamed N on before seeding and after with Contain N stabilizer . It works well too .
Last year we went ahead on some with our bourgault drill and band on 120 lbs N , harrowed it the planted . That worked well too but only if time allows . If not I will stream it on with sprayer.
Ideally I want to set up a 15in space liquid banding outfit and get it done in fall, also maybe add dry phos if needed then just follow same runs in spring with planter . That would leave 50-60% stubble stand , give us a black seed row and all fertility where it needs to be .
We did a test a few years ago with NH3 , dry floated on and liquid streamed on in the fall . All were very similar in tissue tests and yield at the end of the day .
Actually it’s fairly flexible that way , but more work at times .
But planting canola goes very fast when you need to
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  • May 22, 2020 | 17:26 11
    Quote Originally Posted by Misterjade9 View Post
    When you mean heavy trash are you talking 150bu oat stubble?
    No , we don’t grow that here much lately on 4-5 in rain lol .
    Hopefully this year is different, or more normal than the past 4 .

    You can also add row cleaners to any planter to help trash management.
    We have not yet . They are very expensive and our thoughts just more moving parts we don’t want to deal with at seeding .
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    May 28, 2020 | 21:18 12
    Peas into standing wheat stubble , harrowed once last fall . Planted at 2 bus / ac



    Canola at 2 lbs / ac seeded into wheat stubble that was NH3 last fall , harrowed this spring

    So far looks ok . Very low flea beetle pressure and we missed the frost . A few days of heat is needed throughout this whole NW
    One thing that will also be noticed, no tire tracks or compaction issues behind planter even in the wettest areas . It will be an issue in some areas this year . Has not been much of an issue here the past 4-5 years being on the dry side during canola seeding time . Although most big carts now do have huge rubber for floatation it will be interesting to watch the next two weeks . May not show , depending on weather ahead but a lot of very wet ground just got seeded here the past 4-5 days . Hopefully all is good
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    May 28, 2020 | 21:33 13 looks good , wish us luck tonight Reply With Quote
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  • May 28, 2020 | 23:02 14
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    looks good , wish us luck tonight
    Watch for flea beetles if you get touched with frost . I don’t care what seed treatment, stressed damaged canola gets pounded if there is any kind of beetle pressure.
    Sucks at this time of year , hope the best is all you can do . Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 03:59 15 +3 at 3:30, might be alright
    Sun will be up in an hour Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 04:07 16 2 degrees at 4:00 Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 05:19 17 Last frost scare in the 14 day forecast. Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 05:31 18 +1 @ 5:30
    how you making out in NW Sask , chuck? cold there also ? Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 05:42 19 Beauty here this morning..


    8 c showers west Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 05:58 20 WTF are you applying this a.m.? Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 06:12 21 Lol just running the morning shift ....


    Barley , will make far less stressful at harvest Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 06:43 22 Low of 0 here this morning, but it was really foggy from 3 to just a half hour ago, grass extremely wet so that should help on the frost side of things.

    So furrow, do you try and target about 180-190K seeds/ac, which is 4-5 plants per square foot? with 4.9TKW. What do you allow for mortality? Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 06:57 23
    Quote Originally Posted by Misterjade9 View Post
    Low of 0 here this morning, but it was really foggy from 3 to just a half hour ago, grass extremely wet so that should help on the frost side of things.

    So furrow, do you try and target about 180-190K seeds/ac, which is 4-5 plants per square foot? with 4.9TKW. What do you allow for mortality?
    Yup
    We allow for 5% mortality . Been the average the past 3 years. That includes a bit of frost loss and beetle pressure. Only had to spray headlands on the first seeded fields . Canola generally grows fast enough not to worry . Not having any fertilizer burn issues helps a lot as well as no packing directly above the seed helps canola emerge relatively fast even in dry conditions or muddy wet areas

    Just a few things we have noted the past 4 years
    Last edited by furrowtickler; May 29, 2020 at 07:19.
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    May 29, 2020 | 07:19 24 Furrow on your planter what is your fertilizer program? You say fall NH3 ahead of canola, and I assume liquid phosphate with the seed, but what about your sulphur? Can you put all your phosphate needs down as liquid and have seed safety? I am trying to use 50+ lbs/ac of P2O5.

    Seed rate on your peas at 120 lbs seems low. What spacing is your planter? On my farm the weeds seem much worse in thinner pea stands. You had been playing with liquid treflan in the pea seed row to help with root rot. Do you mix that in with the liquid phosphate? Are you inoculating the pea seed or adding the innoculant to the liquid starter.

    The low seeding rate is very appealing. Makes a planter look like a great option compared to buying another airdrill. Much maintenance on a planter? Reply With Quote
    May 29, 2020 | 07:39 25
    Quote Originally Posted by poorboy View Post
    Furrow on your planter what is your fertilizer program? You say fall NH3 ahead of canola, and I assume liquid phosphate with the seed, but what about your sulphur? Can you put all your phosphate needs down as liquid and have seed safety? I am trying to use 50+ lbs/ac of P2O5.

    Seed rate on your peas at 120 lbs seems low. What spacing is your planter? On my farm the weeds seem much worse in thinner pea stands. You had been playing with liquid treflan in the pea seed row to help with root rot. Do you mix that in with the liquid phosphate? Are you inoculating the pea seed or adding the innoculant to the liquid starter.

    The low seeding rate is very appealing. Makes a planter look like a great option compared to buying another airdrill. Much maintenance on a planter?
    Did some NH3 last fall , what we could before freeze up
    Had the balance of acres spread this spring then worked in with case turbo till 330
    I have also just streamed on 28-0-0 with a stabilizer, worked good as well but need to rely on rain to get it down . The past few very dry springs made me gun shy . Hence the NH3 last fall .
    Yes liquid phos is applied just below the seed
    800 gal on board tank with sectional control
    We use Alpine . It’s not quite enough to be honest so we are considering a banding outfit for fall on 15 in space to get N and some more dry Phos down in a band then run planter over that band at seeding time ... work in progress.
    One thing with Alpine you can alway top up with herbicide if needed . Very safe to use .
    Adding liquid inoculant in with alpine . Worked very well last year . Only second year using the Horsch planting peas . Last year we were very surprised with the side by side trials . The other drill was at 200 lbs / ac . Yield was slightly better with planter.
    Yes treflan is part of weed control now and root rot management. The Rack did a lot of research on that a few years ago .
    Maintenance is actually way less than we thought . We replace disks each spring . Had two bearing go in 4 years . It’s a 10 min swap
    They look more scary for maintenance than what we found .
    Extremely accurate and quick seeding if the land is prepared right ahead of time Reply With Quote
    May 31, 2020 | 07:21 26
    Quote Originally Posted by Misterjade9 View Post
    When you mean heavy trash are you talking 150bu oat stubble?
    Peas now ...

    60 bus wheat stubble , harrowed once last fall
    Last edited by furrowtickler; May 31, 2020 at 07:50.
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    May 31, 2020 | 08:51 27 Furrow what row spacing on your planter?

    Any idea if planters skew on steep hillsides?

    Thanks for sharing your info and photos. Reply With Quote
    May 31, 2020 | 09:18 28
    Quote Originally Posted by poorboy View Post
    Furrow what row spacing on your planter?

    Any idea if planters skew on steep hillsides?

    Thanks for sharing your info and photos.
    We can run 15 in or 30 in
    All canola , peas Blackbeans and soybeans are on 15 in space
    We also did corn on 15 in this year . Other results from area look beneficial over a 30 inch spacing
    No the Horsch does not skew much , stats fairly stable
    Last edited by furrowtickler; May 31, 2020 at 09:22.
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    May 31, 2020 | 22:07 29 Why the much higher cost of a planter for an indeterminate crop like canola?

    2 lbs of 4 gm seed is 4 plants per foot at 80% mortality. 4 is pretty low for all the things that can go wrong. 5 gm seed is around 3 plants. Would seem there is much better places to save money. Reply With Quote
    May 31, 2020 | 23:16 30
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Why the much higher cost of a planter for an indeterminate crop like canola?

    2 lbs of 4 gm seed is 4 plants per foot at 80% mortality. 4 is pretty low for all the things that can go wrong. 5 gm seed is around 3 plants. Would seem there is much better places to save money.
    Lol , it’s much more than saving a bit of canola
    Ideally shoot for 200,000 seeds per ac or slightly less in ideal conditions
    Average is 2 lbs but can be 1.7 to 2.5
    Keeps close to 5 plants per foot . Seems to average seed spacing 2.2 to 2.5 inch
    As I have said for a few years ... it’s not for everyone . But neither is a $600,000 tractor and $600,000 drill . But they most likely work great for those that have them 👍.
    Higher cost ? Compared to what ?
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 1, 2020 at 07:12.
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