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May 21, 2020 | 18:07 1 Stop wiping down your groceries.

Maybe the police tape can come down off the playgrounds now. I mean dog parks opened up but kids cant play. What a farce fakedemic.

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  • May 21, 2020 | 19:21 2 Thalidomide was once regarded as safe.....until it wasn't.

    I'm not saying there wasn't too much hysteria or overly cautious regs but until they know, how do you handle it.

    They say there's been zero new cases reported in southern Sask, but that's not saying there aren't any and that it still isn't out there, which would be foolish to believe there isn't.

    Everyone is going to put on their Berkley or RayBan's 20/20 Hindsight glasses and coulda-woulda-shoulda-ed Reply With Quote

  • May 21, 2020 | 19:42 3 This fake pandemic will go down in history as the biggest scam ever. The elderly and the chronically ill are dying from the flu, what a shocker. Shutting down economies, taping off playgrounds, willing sheep locking themselves in their homes, persecuting people for going outside and getting some exercise, unreal. Reply With Quote

  • May 21, 2020 | 20:08 4 I think we have heard enough from the so called experts for a while.

    Here is the latest brainchild from the failed model pushers.

    Scientists propose a 50 days on, 30 days off coronavirus lockdown strategy Reply With Quote
    May 21, 2020 | 20:20 5 Latest news:
    COVID-19 infections skyrocket among troops deployed in long-term care homes

    We have military troops deployed at long term care homes in Canada is the message. To keep people from escaping? What the hell. Reply With Quote
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  • GDR
    May 21, 2020 | 20:37 6 I dont know what the right answer is or was. You guys in SK have been pretty low risk, and haven't had that many infections so I understand your doubts. But if the lockdown wouldnt have happened can you say for certain the outcome would have been the same? What if you lived somewhere else?

    My 2 local small towns currently have one active case in each, and both had a couple before that have cleared up. Look at Calgary, Brooks and High River and how fast it spread in a couple of those outbreaks. The world may have overdone it but I think you naysayers are foolish to underestimate the potential for harm. And it hasnt just been elderly that have died. And also all the big infection areas seem to have a large number of children coming down with very different but serious symptoms but likely linked to covid 19. Reply With Quote
    May 21, 2020 | 20:50 7
    Quote Originally Posted by GDR View Post
    What if you lived somewhere else?
    Work out the deaths per million people if you want a real perspective.

    Then go check a dozen other causes of death.

    If you don't believe that, then look at the govt response. Small businesses had to close but Walmart and Costco stayed open. Schools closed but liquor stores stayed open. etc etc.

    I knew it was fake in the first few days. A real pandemic would fill a stadium of dead in the first week and it wouldn't be rolled up with other causes of death for hype. And they wouldn't be able to hide the age and other statistics around the people infected. And the would know if community transmission was really waving to your neighbor. All the information withheld and mishandled is mind boggling. Reply With Quote
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  • May 21, 2020 | 21:42 8 Jazz do yoù own another business that was negatively affected by the forced closures?
    Seems this may have financially affected you in the near term as well as it will affect everyone in the long term, you included in the longterm.

    Someone please explain to me what a country would have to gain by shutting down it's economy? But please no tin-foil comments.

    Lots of people that aren't "old" would also not have been good candidates for contracting this virus.

    Was there anything to be learned from the areas of the world that were affected first? Or who done things different than us? Reply With Quote

  • May 21, 2020 | 22:01 9 The real test is going to come when the case count spikes up again as it inevitably must. Are we going to hyperinflate ourselves out of this or are we going to let nature run its course and develop herd immunity? Virtually every world leader has demonstrated that they are unfit for purpose. This mess is far from over. Its not about the WuFlu - its about how poorly we have reacted to the WuFlu. Reply With Quote

  • May 21, 2020 | 22:10 10
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Jazz do yoù own another business that was negatively affected by the forced closures?
    Seems this may have financially affected you in the near term as well as it will affect everyone in the long term, you included in the longterm.

    Someone please explain to me what a country would have to gain by shutting down it's economy? But please no tin-foil comments.

    Lots of people that aren't "old" would also not have been good candidates for contracting this virus.

    Was there anything to be learned from the areas of the world that were affected first? Or who done things different than us?
    I keep asking myself the same questions. Especially the first. I can't comprehend how emotionally involved many farmers on various sites are in this issue. I could understand someone in almost any other industry, especially tourism etc. who is losing their livelihood being passionate about it, but for most farmers, this has hardly even been an inconvenience, if we even noticed. If we shut off the media this spring, I doubt that any of us would even be aware of any changes. With the exception of some in the livestock industries who temporarily have nowhere to send their finished animals, the rest of us aren't financially impacted, possibly are already benefiting from higher demand. Other benefits, locally, I've got an endless list of people willing to help out since they have nothing better to do, roads are empty making it easy to move machinery, all the businesses I deal with are open, supplies and parts were all available in normal time, aside from one truck driver wearing a mask in our yard, and people avoiding shaking hands, spring has been about as normal as possible. Reply With Quote
    May 21, 2020 | 22:18 11 How will this experience determine what's done when the next new strain shows up? Not a variant(mutation) of Covid-19 but something completely different and new?

    Was the world's reaction a result of authorities knowing it could have escaped/released/leaked from a lab, but they're just not telling the public? Why the hysteria? Why the reaction? Was it better to do nothing and let it play out, not knowing the outcome? Then be criticized for not warning the public and taking no action? Is there more to this story? Reply With Quote
    May 21, 2020 | 23:14 12
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Jazz do yoù own another business that was negatively affected by the forced closures?
    Seems this may have financially affected you in the near term as well as it will affect everyone in the long term, you included in the longterm
    I am unaffected farma. This isn't about that for me. For me this is the same issue as climate change, seed tax, cwb, farm policy, etc etc. A small group of self appointed experts with very little real world experience or common sense with the ear of our politicians guiding policy. All backed up with bogus models and an unquestioning public.

    Not once had anyone asked a good question of our leaders.

    The inconsistencies are all there I am surprised people don't see them especially farmers. Reply With Quote

  • blackpowder's Avatar May 21, 2020 | 23:33 13 For me, it was about not overwhelming our health system.
    But, with lessons learned here.
    Could our economy survive with a similar pandemic every other year?
    What would we do different then? Reply With Quote
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  • May 22, 2020 | 05:54 14 Summary: ramblings from the anti science and anti evidence factions. It's the dark ages complete with conspiracy theories. It's the anti vaxers in a different form.

    One snowmobile rally in Saskatchewan with a 130 guests produced many infections! Wake up people!

    "A snowmobile rally at Christopher Lake on March 14 has resulted in 24 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the attendees, Saskatchewan Health confirmed in its most recent pandemic update on April 1.

    The rally had 130 attendees at a meal with two people infected in attendance. One was a server."

    Life as usual and cases would have exploded and untold harm would have happened. Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 06:01 15
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Summary: ramblings from the anti science and anti evidence factions. It's the dark ages complete with conspiracy theories. It's the anti vaxers in a different form.

    One snowmobile rally in Saskatchewan with a 130 guests produced many infections! Wake up people!

    "A snowmobile rally at Christopher Lake on March 14 has resulted in 24 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the attendees, Saskatchewan Health confirmed in its most recent pandemic update on April 1.

    The rally had 130 attendees at a meal with two people infected in attendance. One was a server."

    Life as usual and cases would have exploded and untold harm would have happened.
    If your worried about it then just stay home locked down, its that simple. Nobody is forcing you to go out or do anything for that matter. As a matter if fact its your choice to stay locked in a room forever if you want. Again why force your ideology on others, is it a power thing to beat your ideas into people. It is the left way I guess. Again if you feel safe locked in your house then do it. If you want to go out wearing a mask do it. Do what's best for YOU. Quit giving everyone who doesn't agree with you shit all the time for goodness sake. Reply With Quote
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  • May 22, 2020 | 06:05 16 and by the way those people were there supporting their community, but I guess that's another thing your not into, slamming them is the easy thing to do after all when you just take you don't have any inclination what its like to give back. I feel bad for you honestly, and I'm not kidding. Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 06:55 17 Here is my spin on this virus , and everything to do with it:

    1) It isn't to be taken lightly , as it is very contagious, like lots of other viruses are, and have been in the past.

    2) China's economy before the virus "leaked out" wasn't doing so well , and the rest of the western world particularily North America was doing pretty good. The commies don't like being portrayed as doing worse than everybody else. They looked weak , and China doesn't like that , ever.

    3) There is a undeniable shift to a "New World Order" style of thinking , where everybody has some sort of material wealth , should share it with people , and "groups" who do not. Take a look around you , we have more than you think.

    4) China needs to be held accountable , because this is where it started, period. The W.H.O. is also a pathetic ,highly influenced group of people , that as far as I am concerned , couldn't book Lassie into a dog show without f##king something up, which ironically our country has been doing the same thing for almost 6 years under Justin "the budget will balance itself" Trudeau.

    there is no shame in being successful, no matter what business you are in. I have a real problem with governments who tax me to death because we made some income year over year.

    Have a good day everybody ! Reply With Quote

  • ajl
    May 22, 2020 | 07:02 18 The whole WuFlu thing, especially now, is about experimentation with totalitarianism. Restrictions could have and should have been lifted sooner once it was obvious there was no overwhelming the health care system. Health care authorities should have been more prepared but were not due to china lies and mismanagement. Many need to be fired over this starting with Theresa Tam. Purge the chicom agents. Many restrictions should not have been made as they are a violation of rights, rather highly recommended precautions and people would have to take responsibility. Some are going to make poor choices, but some of that is preferred to allowing authorities with little clue becoming dictators. Reply With Quote
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  • May 22, 2020 | 07:08 19 Free the people!! Be like Brazil. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar May 22, 2020 | 08:09 20 If life were simple and it's not.
    A society willing to spend $2B to change the method of death for 1.5 people /100,000. ( Gun bans)
    Is willing to bankrupt itself for maybe 350/100000 premature deaths.
    Educate the people and stay back.
    Everyone accepts the fact that cigarettes prematurely kill at least that many people. Booze. Street drugs. Mental illness.
    Difference might be these are individual activities. Can't create general fear.
    I believe we went a little too far for too long in the name of something life never guarantees anyway. SAFETY Reply With Quote
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  • May 22, 2020 | 08:47 21 Do some research people.

    The average age of people dying from this exceeds the natural life expectancy of the population. We just spent trillions to keep 85yr olds from dying.

    I am not opposed to helping older people live better in their later years, but if you want to spend money for old people dying, wouldnt it be better to spend it on cancer and heart research? Beause that killed more people in a day that covid will in a year.

    And has anyone seen any funding other than masks going our health care system? 400B spent and not one new hospital in the entire country announced nor more public care homes set up.

    Agstar should go farm in Russia. Or stay locked down forever. Reply With Quote
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  • May 22, 2020 | 09:34 22
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Summary: ramblings from the anti science and anti evidence factions. It's the dark ages complete with conspiracy theories. It's the anti vaxers in a different form.

    One snowmobile rally in Saskatchewan with a 130 guests produced many infections! Wake up people!

    "A snowmobile rally at Christopher Lake on March 14 has resulted in 24 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the attendees, Saskatchewan Health confirmed in its most recent pandemic update on April 1.

    The rally had 130 attendees at a meal with two people infected in attendance. One was a server."

    Life as usual and cases would have exploded and untold harm would have happened.
    And what was the outcome? How many deaths, how many hospitalizations, was the local hospital overwhelmed? How many people did they infect? I honestly don't know, so am asking. Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 10:05 23
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    And what was the outcome? How many deaths, how many hospitalizations, was the local hospital overwhelmed? How many people did they infect? I honestly don't know, so am asking.
    Exactly the point, all relevant questions. So they got the flu, stayed home with the sniffles and Kleenex, and then went on with their lives.

    On any given day the local McDonalds serves 2000 people, 1998 of them get diarrhea shortly thereafter, now what. Ankle bracelets and tracking devices and phone apps? What does Tam think.
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  • May 22, 2020 | 10:23 24 Doug Ford has a message for the Covid skeptics and conspiracy therorists. “ you are a bunch of yahoos!” Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 11:09 25
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Doug Ford has a message for the Covid skeptics and conspiracy therorists. “ you are a bunch of yahoos!”
    As always, thank you for the detailed response to my reasonable question. So you don't know the answer, or the answer isn't convenient? Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 11:15 26
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Doug Ford has a message for the Covid skeptics and conspiracy therorists. “ you are a bunch of yahoos!”
    Radical left will jump on any avenue to bring in a socialist Marxist super state. Couldn't scare people with climate change. And you wont be able to scare enough people with fake scamdemic either.

    Better try something else like getting a world view that aligns with common sense. Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 11:36 27
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    And what was the outcome? How many deaths, how many hospitalizations, was the local hospital overwhelmed? How many people did they infect? I honestly don't know, so am asking.
    Legitimate questions that I can’t answer. Ask the experts and specialists who have the facts and training to sift through the facts and make the best decisions. Doug Ford and the rest of the premiers are smart enough to rely on their experts.

    Anybody who thinks this is some kind of scam or fraud is living in La La Land. Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 11:48 28
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Legitimate questions that I can’t answer. Ask the experts and specialists who have the facts and training to sift through the facts and make the best decisions. Doug Ford and the rest of the premiers are smart enough to rely on their experts.

    Anybody who thinks this is some kind of scam or fraud is living in La La Land.
    I've never said it was a scam or hoax. Just saying that a comment about a snowmobile rally, likely involving young healthy people without any context as to outcomes is useless. Reply With Quote
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  • May 22, 2020 | 11:58 29
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I am unaffected farma. This isn't about that for me. For me this is the same issue as climate change, seed tax, cwb, farm policy, etc etc. A small group of self appointed experts with very little real world experience or common sense with the ear of our politicians guiding policy. All backed up with bogus models and an unquestioning public.

    Not once had anyone asked a good question of our leaders.

    The inconsistencies are all there I am surprised people don't see them especially farmers.
    It's pretty hard to be affected while being a jihadist against science and medicine. You are the element of inconsistency. Still think there will be less then 30k deaths?

    The Lancet published a 96,000 patient study on HCQ. Will you read it? No, doesn't fit your jihad. Let's see if you can actually read a whole paragraph.

    "We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19."

    And if that's too difficult to understand, it means HCQ did nothing, except people had more heart problems and died because of it a bit more from taking it.

    Here's hoping Trump ups his dose. Hopefully now the Rheuma patients will be getting their doses back because of the orange idiot who pushed this in the first place. So many #covidiots.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...180-6/fulltext Reply With Quote
    May 22, 2020 | 12:10 30
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    I've never said it was a scam or hoax. Just saying that a comment about a snowmobile rally, likely involving young healthy people without any context as to outcomes is useless.
    It confirms the obvious. Large gatherings without precautions will cause exponential growth in the number of infections. 2 infections caused over 10 more infections each. At the same rate of infections 20-200-2000-20000..... Lots of variables to work with. Think of NY, Milan Etc. The only thing that shuts the growth down is a lockdown. Reply With Quote