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May 22, 2020 | 10:59 91
Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
Apparently that was Trump's mix. No valid study has proven it has any benefit. But in Trump's case placebo is good. If it is only the flue why take anything?
..if there's no financial incentive for a study... and a political incentive NOT to... there probably isn't going to be one
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May 22, 2020 | 11:18 92 Lets make a bet which one makes it to a theraputic first, 60 yr old generic drug, expensive untested 10 yr long trial drug like remdesivir or vaccine in a class of diseases never developed before.

I bet by end of summer HCQ is the weapon of choice for the fake second wave.

Trump has big pharma and bill gates by the nuts. If they rush research on this disease, they will cut off their nose to spite their faces. Because they will have found a cure for colds, flus, pneumonia, AIDs, Ebola, SARS. MERS, and every viral disease on the planet. No more Tylenol and Nyquil sales.

If not, trump gets a generic drug approved that does the same thing. Either way they are fd.
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May 22, 2020 | 16:04 93
Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
Lets make a bet which one makes it to a theraputic first, 60 yr old generic drug, expensive untested 10 yr long trial drug like remdesivir or vaccine in a class of diseases never developed before.

I bet by end of summer HCQ is the weapon of choice for the fake second wave.

Trump has big pharma and bill gates by the nuts. If they rush research on this disease, they will cut off their nose to spite their faces. Because they will have found a cure for colds, flus, pneumonia, AIDs, Ebola, SARS. MERS, and every viral disease on the planet. No more Tylenol and Nyquil sales.

If not, trump gets a generic drug approved that does the same thing. Either way they are fd.
I don’t know about the other guys but trump is rhe fkd up one. Mentally deranged idiot and the other guy Biden has Alzheimer’s. Who knows if rhe retarded one is actually taking that drug but something has screwed up his vision as he must not see in the mirror that his face is orange and his hair yellow which is reverse of what he was before. So maybe a side effect is colourblindness?
Thank God many of the staff departments are doing things that make sense for that country all on their own and he doesn’t even know it.

On a side note trumps cuts to infrastructure starting to show up now bridges dams etc failing. It looks good on paper to say wow look I cut this much but the results take time to come home to roost and they are. When you go to the states drive fast under the underpasses many inspectors who were cut back say there will be one fail not too far off. Could only hope if it does that the orange blob would be the one under it. Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 18:16 94
Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
Lets make a bet which one makes it to a theraputic first, 60 yr old generic drug, expensive untested 10 yr long trial drug like remdesivir or vaccine in a class of diseases never developed before.

I bet by end of summer HCQ is the weapon of choice for the fake second wave.

Trump has big pharma and bill gates by the nuts. If they rush research on this disease, they will cut off their nose to spite their faces. Because they will have found a cure for colds, flus, pneumonia, AIDs, Ebola, SARS. MERS, and every viral disease on the planet. No more Tylenol and Nyquil sales.

If not, trump gets a generic drug approved that does the same thing. Either way they are fd.
Such a #CovIdiot. Go drink some bleach you moron. Reply With Quote
May 22, 2020 | 18:32 95 What dose of hydroxchlorquine is being taken. Just curious as I have been on it for two years to aide in treating auto immune disorder. Reply With Quote
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  • May 22, 2020 | 22:11 96
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Such a #CovIdiot. Go drink some bleach you moron.
    Ahh tweety, the triggered farmer. You are probably growing too much soy. Reply With Quote
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  • May 23, 2020 | 11:09 97
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Ahh tweety, the triggered farmer. You are probably growing too much soy.
    96,000 patients from 631 hospitals say you are an idiot. Oh and the bleach drinking orange orangutan with the same IQ as you, also an idiot Reply With Quote
    May 23, 2020 | 11:26 98 BREAKING NEWS...May22
    Three studies find that hydroxychloroquine reduces chances of contracting Covid, so ICMR allows more frontline workers to take it as a preventive drug.
    https://www.msn.com/en-in/lifestyle/...se/ar-BB14tiaA Reply With Quote
    May 23, 2020 | 11:28 99


    Funny how the left just despises everything Trump. Don’t remember the right being so vengeful and vendictive when Obama was in. Nasty side of humankind. Sad really. Reply With Quote

  • May 23, 2020 | 11:47 100
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post


    Funny how the left just despises everything Trump. Don’t remember the right being so vengeful and vendictive when Obama was in. Nasty side of humankind. Sad really.
    Maybe because Trump represents everything despicable in Humanity. Reply With Quote
    May 23, 2020 | 12:01 101
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    96,000 patients from 631 hospitals say you are an idiot. Oh and the bleach drinking orange orangutan with the same IQ as you, also an idiot

    Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
    Maybe because Trump represents everything despicable in Humanity.

    Wow. These comments say more about the ones making them than anything or anyone else.

    But they appear to be functioning at the highest level of their capability, so sad. Reply With Quote

  • May 23, 2020 | 17:02 102
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    Wow. These comments say more about the ones making them than anything or anyone else.
    Haha its hilarious how easily those two snowflakes are triggered. Both have full on foaming at the mouth TDS. Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar May 23, 2020 | 19:10 103 And HCQ is only 5 cents a pill, lets make sure that never gets used, NO PROFIT for BIG Pharma! Reply With Quote
    May 23, 2020 | 20:40 104
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    And HCQ is only 5 cents a pill, lets make sure that never gets used, NO PROFIT for BIG Pharma!
    Yes, prescribe a drug that increases heart attacks, deaths, and does not help Covid19 because it costs 5 cents.

    Take a step back, look at what you wrote, and do just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Quite the collection here, wow is right. Reply With Quote
    May 23, 2020 | 21:23 105
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Yes, prescribe a drug that increases heart attacks, deaths, and does not help Covid19 because it costs 5 cents.

    Take a step back, look at what you wrote, and do just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Quite the collection here, wow is right.
    ...maybe it/s you sir that's unable to do the critical thinking.
    ...are you so naive you think pharma wouldn]t goose a study for their own benefit?



    Jerry Coyne, a relatively famous evolutionary biologist reversed his opinion of the study after writing a comment on his blog raking trump and his doctor over the coals

    In two comments below, my own physician, Dr. Alex Lickerman, who carefully read the study I describe below (see his first comment and his second), noted that the sickest patients were the ones more likely to be given the chloroquine drugs, and were also the patients with the highest comorbidities—factors like heart disease that would tend to make them sicker. In other words, as Alex notes,

    So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death? We simply can’t tell from this study. This is the problem with the observational study design. We CAN almost certainly say that hydroxychloroquine and its ilk don’t improve survival in COVID-19, but whether or not they increase mortality in COVID-19 we don’t yet know.

    I am guilty of not having detected the flaws in the study, which are, I found, not even clearly pointed out by its authors in the traditional “here-are-some-weaknesses-in-this-study” part of the paper, and I thank Alex for the clarification. But even more culpable are the reviewers of that study, who did not insist on a clear outline of its limitations, as well as the medical/science journalists, who touted the study uncritically (like me!) Alex has helped me learn that many medical studies, even in journals as reputable as The Lancet, are pitifully weak or even fatally flawed. Reply With Quote
    May 24, 2020 | 07:50 106 Follow the money. Why u think bill gates wants a vaccine instead of using a 80 year old drug Reply With Quote

  • May 24, 2020 | 09:00 107
    Quote Originally Posted by A990 View Post
    ...maybe it/s you sir that's unable to do the critical thinking.
    ...are you so naive you think pharma wouldn]t goose a study for their own benefit?
    Could very well be, lets see, lets put all studies aside. No one really gets better or seems to make much difference between taking and not taking HCQ. Taking the drug can impose a higher side effects risk then not taking it - they have known this for years. Critical thinking would suggest no matter who makes money or not, the drug is a non event.

    What is needed is a drug that works, and HCQ has been found not to work - except in Trumps and Jazz's opinion. The hard reality is they haven't found anything that markedly helps yet. At this time, Covid19 for the win.

    When you give a drug to a patient and it actually helps, the medical community knows right away. So far, nothing.

    Would you agree or disagree A990? Reply With Quote
    May 24, 2020 | 16:14 108
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Could very well be, lets see, lets put all studies aside. No one really gets better or seems to make much difference between taking and not taking HCQ. Taking the drug can impose a higher side effects risk then not taking it - they have known this for years. Critical thinking would suggest no matter who makes money or not, the drug is a non event.

    What is needed is a drug that works, and HCQ has been found not to work - except in Trumps and Jazz's opinion. The hard reality is they haven't found anything that markedly helps yet. At this time, Covid19 for the win.

    When you give a drug to a patient and it actually helps, the medical community knows right away. So far, nothing.

    Would you agree or disagree A990?
    The drug my well be a non event and if it was the silver bullet we would know by now. However this study doesn't pass the sniff test, granted i'm no medical researcher but then neither are you.

    So in this study the sicker patients who were already more likely to die from COVID-19 were twice as likely to get the drugs. So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death?
    ... i find t very difficult to believe is that somehow, a drug that has been in use for years for malaria and arthritis is now all of a sudden a death drug when used in a COVID infected person…

    ..it seems they were looking for a result/ ask yourself why these (treatment of patients with co-morbidities at late stages) were tested instead of administering HCQ+zinc at first symptoms -- where anecdotally it seems worth testing

    ...o, and it's not just trump and Jazz's opinion

    https://theprint.in/health/hcq-break...ts-use/427583/

    https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf. Reply With Quote
    May 24, 2020 | 21:58 109
    Quote Originally Posted by A990 View Post
    The drug my well be a non event and if it was the silver bullet we would know by now. However this study doesn't pass the sniff test, granted i'm no medical researcher but then neither are you.

    So in this study the sicker patients who were already more likely to die from COVID-19 were twice as likely to get the drugs. So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death?
    ... i find t very difficult to believe is that somehow, a drug that has been in use for years for malaria and arthritis is now all of a sudden a death drug when used in a COVID infected person…

    ..it seems they were looking for a result/ ask yourself why these (treatment of patients with co-morbidities at late stages) were tested instead of administering HCQ+zinc at first symptoms -- where anecdotally it seems worth testing

    ...o, and it's not just trump and Jazz's opinion

    https://theprint.in/health/hcq-break...ts-use/427583/

    https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf.
    I'll take that as an agree to it doesn't work. Correct me if i'm wrong in your assessment. I agree with you there are lots of questions, but the main one is answered, it has been tried in almost 100,000 patients and it doesn't help. That is unfortunate in many ways. Reply With Quote
    May 25, 2020 | 09:17 110
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    I'll take that as an agree to it doesn't work. Correct me if i'm wrong in your assessment. I agree with you there are lots of questions, but the main one is answered, it has been tried in almost 100,000 patients and it doesn't help. That is unfortunate in many ways.
    ..imagine a study of engine oil on different engines.
    Some engines had already spun a rod brg, some had wiped a lobe on the camshaft,and so on

    ..and in this study this oil was tested on these engines and it was found that these engines still failed.

    ...my takeaway from this study would not be that oil doesn't help but the study was flawed

    So,no I don't agree it doesn't work
    ....if it's tested early onset with zinc and fails i will cahnge my mind,i wonder if you would change your's

    testing is still ongoing

    https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/...05-24_1422.pdf Reply With Quote
    May 25, 2020 | 20:11 111 Brazilian scientists and academics write an Open Letter on the “science” of the coronavirus pandemic:

    https://conexaopolitica.com.br/ultim...irus-pandemic/. Reply With Quote
    May 25, 2020 | 23:23 112
    Quote Originally Posted by A990 View Post
    ..imagine a study of engine oil on different engines.
    Some engines had already spun a rod brg, some had wiped a lobe on the camshaft,and so on

    ..and in this study this oil was tested on these engines and it was found that these engines still failed.

    ...my takeaway from this study would not be that oil doesn't help but the study was flawed

    So,no I don't agree it doesn't work
    ....if it's tested early onset with zinc and fails i will cahnge my mind,i wonder if you would change your's

    testing is still ongoing

    https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/...05-24_1422.pdf
    Really good news today for the people HCQ actually helps. I would change my mind if there was a single peer reviewed DBS that showed any promise. Seems the global trial for the Trump drug has been decided and suspended.

    GENEVA -- The World Health Organization said Monday that it will temporarily drop hydroxychloroquine -- the malaria drug U.S. President Trump says he is taking -- from its global study into experimental COVID-19 treatments, saying that its experts need to review all available evidence to date.

    In a press briefing, WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that in light of a paper published last week in the Lancet that showed people taking hydroxychloroquine were at higher risk of death and heart problems, there would be "a temporary pause" on the hydroxychloroquine arm of its global clinical trial.

    "This concern relates to the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19," Tedros said, adding that the drugs are approved treatments for people with malaria or autoimmune diseases. Other treatments in the trial, including the experimental drug remdesivir and an HIV combination therapy, are still being tested.

    They need something that actually shows a strong enough benefit Reply With Quote
    May 30, 2020 | 06:37 113 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/photos/the-news-in-cartoons-updated-may-29/ss-BB14MIpq?ocid=spartandhp#image=35 This about sums it up. Reply With Quote
    May 30, 2020 | 09:07 114 Lots of professionals questioning the validity of your favorite Hydroxychloroquine study. Reply With Quote
    May 30, 2020 | 23:01 115 https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a...ut-of-thin-air. Reply With Quote
    May 30, 2020 | 23:15 116 "Seems like politics laundered as science, then fed to a complicit media, over eager to paint trump
    as an idiot.

    Also interesting that the WHO
    changed policy due to the study, but didn't independently verify results..." Reply With Quote
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  • wd9
    May 31, 2020 | 07:21 117 There is a good study going on at https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...ovid-19-begins but you will have to wait till 2021 for the results.

    In the mean time you, I, or anyone else have no idea if it kills more then it helps. No matter how many links you post. All I am trying to say is that if actually helped, it should be more obvious. The only thing obvious is the st elongation in too many patients and resulting in cardiac death. Canada has officially stopped all testing as well.

    For some reason most Doctors don't like "experimental treatments" that kill more then help even if it can't be proven and are slow to change if it can be proven.

    Besides why worry, most of you think it isn't any worse then influenza so just let them die like influenza. Now get back to work, we have an unsustainable economy to attend to. Reply With Quote
    May 31, 2020 | 08:26 118 List of side effects

    https://www.drugs.com/sfx/hydroxychloroquine-side-effects.html


    These particular ones of concern manifesting in orange man


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    May 31, 2020 | 08:48 119 Covid19 Riots,burning and looting have knocked Hydroxychloroquine and covid in general out of the news cycle.

    5 days and counting.

    Had over 10,000 National Guard out in Twin Cities last night. Reply With Quote
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  • May 31, 2020 | 11:11 120
    Quote Originally Posted by wd9 View Post

    In the mean time you, I, or anyone else have no idea if it kills more then it helps. No matter how many links you post. All I am trying to say is that if actually helped, it should be more obvious. The only thing obvious is the st elongation in too many patients and resulting in cardiac death. Canada has officially stopped all testing as well.

    For some reason most Doctors don't like "experimental treatments" that kill more then help even if it can't be proven and are slow to change if it can be proven.

    Besides why worry, most of you think it isn't any worse then influenza so just let them die like influenza. Now get back to work, we have an unsustainable economy to attend to.
    ..true, you or i don't really know if it kills more than it helps but then you really don't know i think it isn't any worse than the flu..... doesn't stop you from sharing your opinion

    ....i agree if HQ was a silver bullet we would know by now. But interesting to me is how people faith in "science" not realizing results can be pushed for profit or even politics.

    ..won't post another link until lancet prints a retraction. Reply With Quote