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Feb 22, 2020 | 04:38 1 PM JT continued working as normal and did not give any attention to railway blocades; It was a 'joke' to secretly smirk at:

CFIA and AG Canada... With the Liberals knowing/encouraging the hostile takeover of UPOV 91/ Seed Act / with termination of Farmer control of the Canadian Seed Grower Association 'CSGA'

As 'Value Creation' and 'Seed Synergy' are blatant CFIA and Ag Canada Liberal sell outs; to the 'Seed Industry' [Canadian Seed Trade Association and Crop Life Canada member] through the Farmer Saved Seed heritage - especially historically cherished as a cultural right by western Canadian Farmers...

The 3600 CSGA members...[more - the take over of our 100M acres of arable land] in Canada have been told; Control of seed in Canada is being turned over to the 'Seed Industry'...

The rights now held by Canadian farmers; rights to grow and regulate Seed Quality and distribution historically controlled by the Canada Seeds Act and CSGA farmer members;

Canadian farmers and farm land owners... are about to hand over seed production and distribution to the Seed Industry... whom as we speak are 'vetting' those who challenge this 'drip drip drip... erosion/slippery slope confiscation by the future National Seed Organization 'NSO' seed cartel.

The $Billions given by farmers over the last century] to seed genetic/varietal research... is in the final stages of confiscation through 'Seed Synergy' 'Industry enforcement' process;

As Canadian Seed Growers are hypnotized... by high pressure 'StategyCorp" sales tactics... without one sliver of financial reconciliation or disclosure of actual long term cost that must be paid for by Canadian farmers... on top of the Billions $ already invested by Canadian farmers collectively in Seed Genetics and Varietal development of our seeds;

I have been told that we farmers must cede to the 'SeedSynergyIndustry' to become subject to: bilingual, proffessional experts, who work/retire with all the bells and whistles/pensions; whom will lead farmers into the future "Seed Utopia";

FACT:

Seeds are the essence of life... which should ALONE be controlled by the Farmers who grow those Seeds.

Call your MP. Stop this hostile 'Fiddling while Rome Burns"

Giving up/resigning to this 'bent truth' "Seed Utopia"

This IS Giving over control [of our seeds] to the 'Seed Synergy Seed Industry/Trade'; with barely a whimper... FARMERS ARE gifting control of our seeds... which is like selling our children's souls for 30 pieces of Silver.
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Feb 22, 2020 | 04:59 2 This is what I got Feb 11th;

"Dear xxxxx[Tom4Cwb],

Our records indicate that we have not received a CSGA Membership Application / Renewal Form for your account (xxxxxx7). Before a crop certificate for your current year production can be issued, CSGA requires a completed CSGA Membership Application / Renewal Form.

You may submit your membership application by clicking this link.

Canadian Seed Growers’ Association

Mailing Address: Box 8455, Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3T1
Courier Address : 202-240 Catherine, Ottawa, Ontario K2P 2G8
T: 613-236-0497 F: 613-563-7855
www.seedgrowers.ca"

WOW

Did this get my attention in a hurry....

A Computer error I am told....one keystroke... all my CSGA records were wiped out.

RIGHT.

That we would entrust all our private data to the Seed Trade and Multinational Crop Life Companies/NSO 'Seed Utopia"!!!
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Feb 22, 2020 | 08:33 3 So is my ancient variety of feed wheat going to fall under this? Reply With Quote
Feb 22, 2020 | 10:19 4
Quote Originally Posted by jimmy View Post
So is my ancient variety of feed wheat going to fall under this?
Dear Jimmy,

As your ancient variety of feed wheat very likely does not qualify for a milling wheat grade under the Canada Grain Act...then it will not likely be controlled by the NSO.

Since it is unlikely that your wheat 'variety' is actually 'a true pedigreed wheat variety' that has been maintained genetically using the Canada Seeds Act required statutory 'Variety Name' Statutory Pedigreed multiplication [Breeder Seed, Select Seed, Foundation Seed, Registered Seed, to lastly Certified Seed]

This wheat then would be outside Pedigreed genetic propagation through the statutory seed system... therefore is designated to Canada Feed Wheat.

However:

If your wheat is 'genetically tested' by the NSO...and actually is a new partial wheatUPOV 91 registered variety... then you are now under the Canada Seeds Act/UPOV 78 or 91 CPTA authority and the NSO.

Therefore A genetic CPTA test will determine what wheat you have... and the NSO purpose is to be given the right to test the genetic makeup of your wheat to determine what exactly you are producing.

The NSO will work for statutory changes that give the Seed Industry the right and duty to be able to confiscate a sample from your wheat field... and test what exactly genetically you grew. That is the 'Seed Utopia' for the Seed Industry... your privacy rights that are today existing... and not easily or legally breached under CPTA existing statutory authority now.

Sorry about the circle answer to your question... but this is about a very complex legal system... and IMO the NSO is demanding the right to test what wheat you have... and to get around your privacy rights...

The only logical reason the Seed Trade IS Spending $$$ Millions to push the NSO across the finish line... over Farmer/Seed Growers dead cold bodies... [believe me Seed Growers will be blamed for allowing this NSO plot to be completed]

Because No Canadian Farmer... will any longer BE

'innocent until proven guilty' when the NSO is fully operational

[IMO this will be the NSO objective giving access to your farm DATA and farmer records, and genetic files (therefore constituting the SeedSynergy UTOPIA)].

Cheers

PS... a honest Crop Life person at the Feb 18th Special CSGA Mtg... looked me square in the eyes... and said "I would be upset if I were you too".
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Feb 22, 2020 | 10:44 5
Quote Originally Posted by wiseguy View Post
Farm for sale !

Thanks seed cos researchers breeders university !
Wiseguy;

You can buy a CSGA membership March 1st 2020 I am told... and vote "no to the NSO"

This may well be the best 200$ you ever spend to secure your rights as a farmer and farm land owner.

We have 100m arable acres to protect... worth over $300Billion.
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  • Feb 22, 2020 | 10:46 6 But there is a 9 dollar return for every farmer dollar invested in this ponzi scheme....


    When the ag ministers buy into this nonsense while farm incomes are dropping....maybe someone should be following the paper bag trail to the offices....because it appears ministers and staff are being paid off.... Reply With Quote
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  • makar's Avatar Feb 22, 2020 | 10:50 7 I can't afford $200 just to cast a vote. Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 11:02 8
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    But there is a 9 dollar return for every farmer dollar invested in this ponzi scheme....


    When the ag ministers buy into this nonsense while farm incomes are dropping....maybe someone should be following the paper bag trail to the offices....because it appears ministers and staff are being paid off....
    Bucket... I actually do not believe it is that sinister.

    Administrative Gov people love these schemes... they can get cushy jobs with big pensions and work without breaking a sweat in office buildings managing your labours.

    That is the simple pay off... Lawyers... Accountants... technicians... Gov Union reps... Professional driftwood that are searching for your farm to rest easy for their comfort and pension... simple self gratification.

    Drip Drip Drip...

    By the Way,,, Flagstaff Country has threatened to fine me up to $100,000 and 6 months in jail... because I don't have a plumbing permit for my farm shop... by a Registered Letter... yesterday [by which I have a written decision from the safety code council stating this is a permit I do not require].
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    Feb 22, 2020 | 11:04 9
    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguy View Post
    No thanks I am done with ag in canada !

    USA bound 🇺🇸🗽🌴☀️👍!
    Our farm family has been farming here in Alberta since 1883... not ready to give up... yet... Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 22, 2020 | 11:08 10
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Bucket... I actually do not believe it is that sinister.

    Administrative Gov people love these schemes... they can get cushy jobs with big pensions and work without breaking a sweat in office buildings managing your labours.

    That is the simple pay off... Lawyers... Accountants... technicians... Gov Union reps... Professional driftwood that are searching for your farm to rest easy for their comfort and pension... simple self gratification.

    By the Way,,, Flagstaff Country has threatened to fine me up to $100,000 and 6 months in jail... because I don't have a plumbing permit for my farm shop... by a Registered Letter... yesterday [by which I have a written decision from the safety code council stating this is a permit I do not require].
    If people are getting jobs or pensions by creating more red tape ...it's the same as getting a paper bag full of money...

    It's just the way you look at it.... Reply With Quote

  • Feb 22, 2020 | 11:14 11
    Quote Originally Posted by makar View Post
    I can't afford $200 just to cast a vote.
    Makar... how much will it cost your farm... when the NSO extinguishes your 'farm saved seed' privilege? Reply With Quote
    makar's Avatar Feb 22, 2020 | 11:40 12
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Makar... how much will it cost your farm... when the NSO extinguishes your 'farm saved seed' privilege?
    There was a vote of sorts already the govt knows our wishes, i would gladly donate if it was to a known end, and no i cant spare it after three snowed under wrecks and no one cares about my vote at the end of my farming career. Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 13:04 13 heres a thought , all farmers grow IP seed , pay SFA, and call it protest, maybe even get natives involved Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 15:02 14
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    heres a thought , all farmers grow IP seed , pay SFA, and call it protest, maybe even get natives involved
    Caseih,

    our own supply chains with limited genetic upgrades is possible...

    As we see the $100's of millions of our own funding... plus taxpayer enhancements...

    If the NSO SeedSynergy Utopia persists and we approve... our own $$ funding will be used against us to enhance life science co's bottom lines... while seeing seed co's margins increase significantly.

    The drip drip drip of erosion of our investments... straight out of our Capital Assets... is the pool of Cash governments, professional administrators, seed industry folks... and multi nationals... know control of our seeds will grant them access to our intergenerational Farmer Capital Assets.

    The above;
    governments, professional administrators, seed industry folks... and multi nationals...
    Are testing our resolve with convincing bluffs... half truths... which I grant you is your right to concede your capital assets to yeild up to them.

    Please do not turn and blame seed growers for the confiscation of farmer's capital... on top of all the rest of the intergenerational charges being passed down to future generations of farmers who will/are losing control of their seeds they need to be competitive and survive in future decades.
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    Feb 22, 2020 | 15:04 15 Tom sounds like you need to spend a little more and
    Pay your NFU membership fees.
    Now that you have finally converted and saw the light.
    After pushing this agenda the last 25 years.

    I told you, years ago just like canola , all the other breeders will be eliminated.
    ( and it does not matter, what that costs, because we shall pay for it , not them)

    After you the wheat growers ,Harper and Ritz layed
    The groundwork for this .
    To come on here and blame the
    Liberals ,come on.
    (Not that I think they will save us anyway)

    What bizarro world do you exist
    In?
    Harper and Ritz are simply bought off politicians.
    That is what they do.
    We expect that.
    But you are supposed to be one of us . Not selling us out.

    It is a little late to repent
    At this point.
    After all you have done for
    The mega seed corporation's.
    And then they spit you out.
    Kinda fitting and
    Pretty funny . Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Feb 22, 2020 | 15:07 16 The seed game is getting out of hand.
    Thank you for keeping us updated.

    By the way Tom. How did you manage to build a new shop so close to the road allowance in the first place? Your house likely grandfathered. Appears your well within the 50m setback. Front shop doors within a semi length of the shoulder. Does that count as more than one approach? Who laid the gravel on the Queen's shoulder? Someone screwed up there.
    Unless you bought a right of way from the Queen, your at risk of any future development requirements within that road allowance. What did your permit say before you built it? You better hope they don't need to cut a ditch lol.
    I don't care but you can huck a frozen turkey out the shop door and it would land in the middle of the road.
    With such a big yard,it appears diligence was lacking. Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 15:18 17
    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly1 View Post
    Tom sounds like you need to spend a little more and
    Pay your NFU membership fees.
    Now that you have finally converted and saw the light.
    After pushing this agenda the last 25 years.

    I told you, years ago just like canola , all the other breeders will be eliminated.
    ( and it does not matter, what that costs, because we shall pay for it , not them)

    After you the wheat growers ,Harper and Ritz layed
    The groundwork for this .
    To come on here and blame the
    Liberals ,come on.
    (Not that I think they will save us anyway)

    What bizarro world do you exist
    In?
    Harper and Ritz are simply bought off politicians.
    That is what they do.
    We expect that.
    But you are supposed to be one of us . Not selling us out.

    It is a little late to repent
    At this point.
    After all you have done for
    The mega seed corporation's.
    And then they spit you out.
    Kinda fitting and
    Pretty funny .
    Sawfly,

    I grant you the pessimist outcome is ours to grant the power elite if you choose.

    I am not laughing even if you enjoy your fellow farmer's Capital Assets being confiscated through the loss of farmer control of our seeds in Canada. Become a CSGA farmer member... and

    Vote NO to the NSO

    Your choice... your have the right to say Yes to the Seed Synergy Utopia monopoly... and grant license to the 'value creation' trial ballon...but do not blame me... if doing nothing gets you nothing more than a chuckle and I told you so. Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 15:25 18
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    The seed game is getting out of hand.
    Thank you for keeping us updated.

    By the way Tom. How did you manage to build a new shop so close to the road allowance in the first place? Your house likely grandfathered. Appears your well within the 50m setback. Front shop doors within a semi length of the shoulder. Does that count as more than one approach? Who laid the gravel on the Queen's shoulder? Someone screwed up there.
    Unless you bought a right of way from the Queen, your at risk of any future development requirements within that road allowance. What did your permit say before you built it? You better hope they don't need to cut a ditch lol.
    I don't care but you can huck a frozen turkey out the shop door and it would land in the middle of the road.
    With such a big yard,it appears diligence was lacking.
    I applied for and was granted a County development permit before the re-build within as close to the previous shop foundation footprint as possible for our proper replacement farm shop foundation rebuild after the 'partial loss' fire damaged our pre-existing farm shop. Our yard level is at grade for 300+ feet... and the Queens gravel is on the County road... and my gravel on the approach with proper ditch slopes finishing drop offs to ditch levels for correct water drainage...
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    Feb 22, 2020 | 15:45 19 I am not enjoying it. At all
    I told you how it would play out.
    You just would not listen

    I googled the CSGA , and the directors are all your boys.
    Alberta fed of ag. FP GENETICS, AND Wheat growers association. Laurie Wakefield , pretty sure all Good conservatives.

    It sounds like the sell out is theirs and your own
    Doing.
    They are going for the contracts , so farmers will never
    Own their seed. ( kiss it goodbye)
    Plus the voteing structure , is changing to enable a corporate takeover. ( so yes , your done )
    I never saw any new federal government initiative's
    To make this happen.
    Yet you are trying to pin this on the liberal's.

    It is exactly what you have worked for all these years.

    I feel for you that you were not invited to the victory
    Party.
    Remember, it is a corporate event and no farmers/ victims , Will be invited. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 22, 2020 | 16:04 20
    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly1 View Post
    I am not enjoying it. At all
    I told you how it would play out.
    You just would not listen

    I googled the CSGA , and the directors are all your boys.
    Alberta fed of ag. FP GENETICS, AND Wheat growers association. Laurie Wakefield , pretty sure all Good conservatives.

    It sounds like the sell out is theirs and your own
    Doing.
    They are going for the contracts , so farmers will never
    Own their seed. ( kiss it goodbye)
    Plus the voteing structure , is changing to enable a corporate takeover. ( so yes , your done )
    I never saw any new federal government initiative's
    To make this happen.
    Yet you are trying to pin this on the liberal's.

    It is exactly what you have worked for all these years.

    I feel for you that you were not invited to the victory
    Party.
    Remember, it is a corporate event and no farmers/ victims , Will be invited.
    If you choose this to be your desired end to farmer's growers seed control.. and pass your rights under the Canada Seeds Act to the Corporate Industry SeedSynergy utopia... and do not lift a finger to call the bluff of the Seed Trade,,, then that is your choice not mine. I have given full disclosure apparently you really do not care... and are happy to buy the seed industry bluff;

    And as you willingly cede your democratic and financial assets as a farmer to the NSO SeedSynergy Utopia... the responsibility is squarely yours alone. Informed consent.

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    Feb 22, 2020 | 16:24 21 Tom

    Is this a legislative change where the MPs have to approve a new bill for it to happen?

    Or does the seed industry have the authority to do it on their own?

    And why are the conservative MPs not listening to farmers on this? Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 16:42 22
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Tom

    Is this a legislative change where the MPs have to approve a new bill for it to happen?

    Or does the seed industry have the authority to do it on their own?

    And why are the conservative MPs not listening to farmers on this?
    Bucket,

    The answer is my MP Damien Kurik for BattleRiver Crowfoot is well aware of this SeedSynergy NSO trial balloon... and a number of us Pedigreed CSGA Seed Grower members in this constituency have alerted MP Damien to our concerns and multiple objections. The CSGA can modernize without being absorbed by the Seed Trade... by MOU... which a number of CSGA members have been advocating for years. This is a bluff.

    This NSO SeedSynergy 'project' will require changes to the Canada Seeds Act... which will require parliamentary changes to the Canada Seeds Act.

    Call your MP... let your voice be heard. Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 17:29 23 Tom it is all your own doing.
    When I do stupid things.
    I beat myself up , mope around,
    Hide in the basement, till I have
    Suffered enough.

    You on the other hand , have a
    Different painless method.
    Blame it on Trudeau.
    ( lots of things to blame Trudeau for , but this is not one of them)

    This is all in the conservatives
    And your lap.

    In ten years when all public
    Breeding is gone , CSGA is gone.
    When 3 big corporations lease you the right to
    Plant your own seed production every year.

    Canola seed 120$/acre ,wheat 40$
    (Probably low)
    All the old ones are delisted, so you are stuck.

    Think of all those poor landlords getting rent chiseled
    Down.
    Think of land values falling.
    Got to get the $ somewhere,
    And that is the only place left.
    Right.
    The consumer, well they will
    Pay too.

    Thanks a lot.
    I am sure Bayer thanks you too. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 22, 2020 | 19:48 24
    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly1 View Post
    Tom it is all your own doing.
    When I do stupid things.
    I beat myself up , mope around,
    Hide in the basement, till I have
    Suffered enough.

    You on the other hand , have a
    Different painless method.
    Blame it on Trudeau.
    ( lots of things to blame Trudeau for , but this is not one of them)

    This is all in the conservatives
    And your lap.

    In ten years when all public
    Breeding is gone , CSGA is gone.
    When 3 big corporations lease you the right to
    Plant your own seed production every year.

    Canola seed 120$/acre ,wheat 40$
    (Probably low)
    All the old ones are delisted, so you are stuck.

    Think of all those poor landlords getting rent chiseled
    Down.
    Think of land values falling.
    Got to get the $ somewhere,
    And that is the only place left.
    Right.
    The consumer, well they will
    Pay too.

    Thanks a lot.
    I am sure Bayer thanks you too.
    Sawfly,

    You can blame the man in the moon if you like... it will do about as much as blaming me,

    I was elected over 2 years ago... by seed growers in Alberta... to oppose 'value creation and seed synergy'

    I have worked to bring responsible change, to our Canadian Seeds Act; that brings value to all Canadian farmers and Agriculture, and respects the investments each sector [Farmers, and Seed Trade/Plant Breeders alike], have made.

    Ask Crop Life Canada and the Seed Companies how much they like me... either denial or a stern frown as they met me at CSGA AGM's or Special CSGA Meetings to challenge confiscation of Farmers Seed privileges. Phone Lorne Hadley of CPTA who enforces UPOV 91... ask what Tom Jackson stood for in these meetings... i stood for your farmer saved Seeds privileges.

    In Quebec Feb 18th Special CSGA Meeting it was Claude Lapoint a director from CSI and Past President of the Seed Trade CSTA... that told Quebec and CSGA members CFIA and Ag Canada were responsible for this. CFIA and Ag Canada were not even there at the meeting... even though they had a statutory obligation to be at this CSGA special meeting in Quebec Feb 18

    Cheers
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  • Feb 22, 2020 | 21:01 25 Tom ..... majority of seed growers were in favour of UPOV at the beginning
    I agree with Sawfly , you got what you wished for. Most thought it was a big payday, most on here called it from day one ...... the big boys were just sitting in the weeds waiting to take control.
    It was easy to see coming if you never had the blinders on
    No different than where most new policies are headed .... take control from the existing structure and leave the rest as bottom feeders Reply With Quote
    Feb 22, 2020 | 21:50 26 Wow, over 5 years ago....
    https://www.agriville.com/threads/21...seed-companies Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 22, 2020 | 22:24 27 I'll say it again, this is Big Pharma.

    They don't look at this as so many dollars per acre they look at it as how many BILLION dollars can we take out of this industry.

    Don't worry about how much the growers or the bureaucrats or the CSTA gets as that's all nickles and dimes.

    Flood BoBo's twitter with "Don't let big Pharma screw Canada". Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2020 | 00:04 28 I am sure Bayer thanks you too.[/QUOTE]

    I am sure they are NOT Sawfly.

    By the way Sawfly,

    The Liberal government can easily give notice under UPOV and easily remove UPOV 91... for all future varieties going forward. This is much more than a Conservative 'ghost',,,

    Easily remedied... but the NSO is obviously and actually Liberal policy ... that would be easy to change in a minority Canadian parliament. Quebec has major reservations about the NSO... as do Alberta Seed Growers at the AGM Feb 7th passed many resolutions questioning the wisdom of the NSO Seed Synergy Utopia led by Industry.

    This NSO bluff is in no way over or settled... talk to your MP... the Liberals have not even started on legislative changes to the many statutes that would need to be legislatively changed. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2020 | 00:05 29 This goes through, I am done grain farming. Will be moving on to plan B. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2020 | 01:18 30 There were more than a few seed farms pop up the last few years to take advantage of UPOV ..... not so handy now .
    Tom , spin it anyway you want , this was coming the minute it was enacted, no different than signing the Paris Accord, the sheep are about to get slaughtered.
    For those who can’t see past their own nose .. should have opened your eyes past the b/s from day one ..... there is always an agenda to this shit , and it will never be in the average Joe’s interest ever . Reply With Quote
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