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Feb 12, 2020 | 09:50 1 Wonder if chuck wants to crow about that green revolution in Europe now.


Climate policies helped put 54 million Europeans into 'energy poverty.' Canadians are next
According to the EU, 54 million people already cannot afford their energy bills


The number of Europeans affected by this problem is high. According to the European Union in its 2015 report on rising energy costs, fully 11 per cent of its member states’ population — that’s 54 million people — already cannot afford their energy bills. The EU further estimates that fully one-quarter of residents, or 128 million people (and that includes the existing 54 million), are at risk of being energy poor. Reply With Quote
LEP
Feb 12, 2020 | 10:09 2 Enviro whackos think differently than the rest of us. You would think being left wing should mean they are worried about the collect interest of all, but not so.

I was in Seattle a couple years ago and had a spirited conversation with a lady who found out that I was a farmer who seeded GMO's and used glyphosate. I stated that there were people starving in the world and that we needed to produce as much food as possible to feed the world.

She stated simply with a shrug of her shoulders "There are too many people in the world anyway". Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 12, 2020 | 11:11 3 Meanwhile as we are being charged an open-ended carbon tax, Japan builds coal plants:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/c...***ushima.html Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 11:40 4 Anyone ever see a coal plant radiate land to unusable? Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 12:12 5
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    Enviro whackos think differently than the rest of us. You would think being left wing should mean they are worried about the collect interest of all, but not so.

    I was in Seattle a couple years ago and had a spirited conversation with a lady who found out that I was a farmer who seeded GMO's and used glyphosate. I stated that there were people starving in the world and that we needed to produce as much food as possible to feed the world.

    She stated simply with a shrug of her shoulders "There are too many people in the world anyway".
    Actually you are only feeding rich people. It's BS we feed the world. Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 12:19 6
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Actually you are only feeding rich people. It's BS we feed the world.
    Well we aren't setting the price or controlling the distribution are we? Take that up with someone else. Already growing this stuff at bargain basement prices, if its the rich that eat it so be it. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 12, 2020 | 12:25 7
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Anyone ever see a coal plant radiate land to unusable?
    Nope . It’s Morher Nature’s fertilizer Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 12, 2020 | 12:27 8
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well we aren't setting the price or controlling the distribution are we? Take that up with someone else. Already growing this stuff at bargain basement prices, if its the rich that eat it so be it.
    We are setting the price by growing too much for the amount of rich people who can afford to buy it. You can't always absolve yourself and blame everyone else. Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 12:42 9 The Baloney Detector went off again..

    For the first 5 months of this crop year Canada has shipped 1,389,000 tonnes of wheat other than durum to countries with a GDP less that 5% of Canada's(2018 figures)

    Don't tell me the rich people and their livestock ate it all Reply With Quote

  • Feb 12, 2020 | 12:43 10 What's worse is we tell everyone what we grow without knowing it and put a medal of Honor on guys that give their data away for free....by social media....or being linked to someone who is reading your data regularly....for free.... Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 12, 2020 | 12:54 11
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Actually you are only feeding rich people. It's BS we feed the world.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita

    Then why is china trade so important to canada? Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 12, 2020 | 13:02 12
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Wonder if chuck wants to crow about that green revolution in Europe now.


    Climate policies helped put 54 million Europeans into 'energy poverty.' Canadians are next
    According to the EU, 54 million people already cannot afford their energy bills


    The number of Europeans affected by this problem is high. According to the European Union in its 2015 report on rising energy costs, fully 11 per cent of its member states’ population — that’s 54 million people — already cannot afford their energy bills. The EU further estimates that fully one-quarter of residents, or 128 million people (and that includes the existing 54 million), are at risk of being energy poor.
    One of the main reasons why the EU and UN push the carbon tax and climate agenda. They want to simply fund this green machine and try to offset the huge costs by attacking the oil industry and fossil fuels. Follow the money, it has virtually nothing to do with CO2, but they have convinced millions of people. So instead of massive profits going to the oil industry, its going to the green machine right or wrong. And so far the average Joe is the net looser all under the guise of saving the planet.
    Taxing the middle class to death is proving to be an economic bomb and the fuse has been lit by the UN.
    Higher energy costs and tax's simply take away from basic needs from 95% of the population.
    If/when green energy is 1/2 the net cost over fossil fuels, then this whole dream will make sense. Until then it will just further erode the little disposable income left for the middle class. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 12, 2020 | 13:09 13
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    We are setting the price by growing too much for the amount of rich people who can afford to buy it. You can't always absolve yourself and blame everyone else.
    Tweety, Canada is insignificant in the global grains trade. We have zero effect on the pricing regardless of supply and demand. Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 15:07 14
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Tweety, Canada is insignificant in the global grains trade. We have zero effect on the pricing regardless of supply and demand.
    Who said anything about Canada? Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 15:25 15 Just talked to fellow in Holland pays .22 Euro for a kwh. All in with distribution we pay $0.34 cana buck

    A little looking finds 1.71 cdn dollar in a pound. 1 kwh in UK costs 12 to 13 pence or 22 cdn cents per kwh plus fixed charge of 80 to 100 lb

    Poverty in UK is 60% of the mean. The article is short on numbers, but they pay what we do. The article is click bait, perfect for Agriville.

    https://www.ukpower.co.uk/home_energ...s-per-unit-kwh
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    Feb 12, 2020 | 16:36 16
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Just talked to fellow in Holland pays .22 Euro for a kwh. All in with distribution we pay $0.34 cana buck

    A little looking finds 1.71 cdn dollar in a pound. 1 kwh in UK costs 12 to 13 pence or 22 cdn cents per kwh plus fixed charge of 80 to 100 lb

    Poverty in UK is 60% of the mean. The article is short on numbers, but they pay what we do. The article is click bait, perfect for Agriville.

    https://www.ukpower.co.uk/home_energ...s-per-unit-kwh
    Wow that's high. Much more reasonable in Sask. Reply With Quote
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  • LEP
    Feb 12, 2020 | 17:13 17
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    We are setting the price by growing too much for the amount of rich people who can afford to buy it. You can't always absolve yourself and blame everyone else.
    WTF does this mean? Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 12, 2020 | 18:10 18
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    WTF does this mean?
    Ever hear of supply and demand? Probably not. Reply With Quote
    LEP
    Feb 12, 2020 | 19:22 19
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Ever hear of supply and demand? Probably not.
    Bahaha Daddy tell you that one? So if we produce more, it increases supply. Increased supply, lower price. Lower price, cheaper to eat. Cheaper to eat, the poor buy more with the funds they have.

    That is why I am curious why you argue the opposite? Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 19:28 20 Newsfeed on my Iphone told me just today that subsidies for solar panels in Nevada means that citizens get their panels free......so we asked the waitress at Red Rock, “do you have free solar panels on your roof?” She says , “No Way, the installation would still cost us monthly bills adding up to $20,000 and for a few months in the summer, the electric bill goes up over $100 - $170 to run the air conditioning.” “We use natural gas in winter and the bill is around $70 a month”. She says it is a totally wasteful use of her money. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 13, 2020 | 09:27 21 The green narrative is dOA. EU votes to forge ahead with 32 natural gas projects.

    Climate radicals should have some pride and admit they lost. They pinned their hopes on fumbling science and the unicorn supposedly riding in to save them. All of it has failed. Now we are stuck with just the radicals left behind who dont know it yet.

    Greta is not happy.

    EU accused of climate crisis hypocrisy after backing 32 gas projects
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  • Feb 13, 2020 | 09:37 22 And just out today, the US was the only country on the planet that reduced its emissions last year. All while becoming energy independent, no carbon tax or any UN bullshit. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 13, 2020 | 09:45 23
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    Bahaha Daddy tell you that one? So if we produce more, it increases supply. Increased supply, lower price. Lower price, cheaper to eat. Cheaper to eat, the poor buy more with the funds they have.

    That is why I am curious why you argue the opposite?
    He also doesn’t think canola prices have decreased the last 20 months even though charts and statistics show differently. Reply With Quote
    Feb 13, 2020 | 12:17 24
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    Bahaha Daddy tell you that one? So if we produce more, it increases supply. Increased supply, lower price. Lower price, cheaper to eat. Cheaper to eat, the poor buy more with the funds they have.

    That is why I am curious why you argue the opposite?
    And how is cheaper price working out for you for your farm net? Also curious why you argue cheaper is better.

    For the other sods on canola price. 490 average last 5 years, and now its 462. Incredibly 38 bucks down from the average, how will you ever survive....

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    Feb 13, 2020 | 12:54 25 Let me update your economic training tweety, if we dont produce it, someone else will and they will take that market away from us and then your supply and demand graphs will be meaningless.

    The observed price swings between oversupply and under production are meaningless. 10% of the canola crop is spoiled or stil in the field. Another 50% is probably grading 2 or 3. And anything that is even close to a number one has to be dried down before anyone will take it. Did you see any price uptick? Reply With Quote
    Feb 13, 2020 | 16:12 26
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Let me update your economic training tweety, if we dont produce it, someone else will and they will take that market away from us and then your supply and demand graphs will be meaningless.

    The observed price swings between oversupply and under production are meaningless. 10% of the canola crop is spoiled or stil in the field. Another 50% is probably grading 2 or 3. And anything that is even close to a number one has to be dried down before anyone will take it. Did you see any price uptick?

    "We" is farmers. All of them, Why do i have to keep saying that? Maybe grab a can of Boost.

    You really struggle with math, don't you - averages especially. Those "meaningless" numbers in the chart produce an average price - and right now we are pretty close to the 5 year average. If the price today was 362, then you'd actually have something to whine about - like that would help.

    BTW, your article is crap. Click bait for the weak minded. The price of electricity in UK is about the same as here. Reply With Quote
    Feb 13, 2020 | 19:48 27
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    BTW, your article is crap. Click bait for the weak minded. The price of electricity in UK is about the same as here.
    Well that's weird, if the renewables were such a godsend why did they greenlight 32 natural gas generation projects?

    Did you bother to read it? The statement came from the EU itself. I think they should have a pretty good handle on who is living in energy poverty.

    Frankly I don't give a damn what other farmers in other countries do. We, as in Canadian farmers, have a small and precarious position in the world for our ag products and anything that disrupts that supply would kill our industry dead.

    Sounds like you are an advocate for some central planning, just like the ol USSR used to do. Reply With Quote
    LEP
    Feb 14, 2020 | 09:50 28
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    And how is cheaper price working out for you for your farm net? Also curious why you argue cheaper is better.

    For the other sods on canola price. 490 average last 5 years, and now its 462. Incredibly 38 bucks down from the average, how will you ever survive....

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    You were arguing that we only produce food for the rich and don't feed the poor. My point was by producing more we make it cheaper for the poor. Keep on track here. I wasn't complaining about the price. Reply With Quote
    Feb 14, 2020 | 10:11 29
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    You were arguing that we only produce food for the rich and don't feed the poor. My point was by producing more we make it cheaper for the poor. Keep on track here. I wasn't complaining about the price.
    You really want to produce wheat for 2$ a bushel so the poor can afford it? How will that help? It can't just be a volume thing. Reply With Quote
    Feb 14, 2020 | 10:18 30
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well that's weird, if the renewables were such a godsend why did they greenlight 32 natural gas generation projects?

    Did you bother to read it? The statement came from the EU itself. I think they should have a pretty good handle on who is living in energy poverty.

    Frankly I don't give a damn what other farmers in other countries do. We, as in Canadian farmers, have a small and precarious position in the world for our ag products and anything that disrupts that supply would kill our industry dead.

    Sounds like you are an advocate for some central planning, just like the ol USSR used to do.
    The statement didn't come from the EU, the EU doesn't make statements, advocacy groups do. Mark Mike is one of them, policy analyst and writer for Canadians for Affordable Energy. No data in the article, just advocacy for non renewable energy. Stop being so blind.

    Fact of the matter is residents of UK don't make enough money. Their power price is the same as ours.

    I know you don't give a dam about other farmers in other countries, that's your first problem. Blinders. Reply With Quote