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Feb 10, 2020 | 10:35 1 Just got back from AB seed growers. National Seed Organization [NSO] is close to impossible to stop... without farmer support.

The Gov. has got the seed trade and Crop Life Canada convinced... that a TMX like takeover of the the National Seed Organization [NSO] who will regulate Seeds in Canada... [Instead of farmer seed growers] the future farmers in Agriculture are going to be powerless to stop the hostile takeover by Industry by termination of the Canadian Seed Growers Association and major changes to the Canada Seeds Act... which are required by 'SeedSynergy' to create the NSO.

Farmers will lose the democratic right to form the future control of seed... this has been swallowed hook line and sinker by the provincial seed associations... anyone who tries to enforce farmer rights to saved seed... is to be vetted out of the seeds power circle and dismissed as backward and irrelevant.

We were told multiple times by Strategy Corp... Cost in this NSO next gen. system...is irrelevant... the NSO 'one stop shop' seed controllers [Crop Life/Seed Trade] terms are the only alternative/option to depose the Statutory democratic privileges the CSGA and Seeds Act grant farmers now.

AB indépendant Seed growers were only ones to object publically... [as well as it appears Quebec seed growers] AB Seed Growers Ass. made all of its Directors who are serving [from now on] sign non-disclosure clauses that agree to the NSO Crop Life/Seed Co... merger... because the majority of the ASGA BOD is binding all Directors to agree with the Non-democratic Board of Directors to run the NSO... after the formation of the NSO.

Sincerely, the resolutions we AB seed grower independents passed Feb 7 2020...to maintain direct farmer democracy [through resolutions duly passed at Annual General Meetings] what is left of our influence...saved seed rights... and some semblance of democratic freedom in control of: our seeds, their production, and quality requirements... Are very likely to have a snowball's chance in ever being improved upon or being taken seriously or implemented.

The $100's of Millions of investments [by Commercial grain growers... invested into the Seeds we grow... are being 'seconded' [confiscated is more understandable] by Crop Life/Seed Co's... and independent seed growers are sore losers in this hostile take over of the Seed Production system...

Seed is the essence of life... our public genetic heritage... and future of our prosperity in Agriculture... there is NO appetite to fight the big rollers like Monsanto and Bayer's hostile takeover challenge [Crop Life Canada].. of our Seeds.

30 pieces of silver [from Crop Life Canada and the Seed Trade]... for dissolution of Canadian Seed Growers democratic right to control Seed production in Canada.

Monsanto etc. have failed the other way... Now the Liberals who have no seats in western Canada... are allowing the Big Seed Co's and multinationals... StrategyCorp are putting the final touches on this hostile take over... with barely a whimper from we farmers.

Cheers... Get your own value chains in order... The Lubriderm special seed treatment of our democratic demise... will be voted on shortly. They the NSO 'steering committee require the vote by July 2020 to terminate the Canada Seeds Act [as we know it with Independent Seed growers as members] by termination of the Canadian Seed Growers Association.

We Independent Seed growers in Alberta passed a resolution... that this vote on the future of our seeds system needs to be delayed until December 2020... to give you a chance to be a part of this decision...

but

Where this delay request to Dec 2020 goes...also has a snowballs chance of being implemented.

Call your MP. This could well is our last stand for democracy and freedom of Seed Growing in Canada.
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Feb 10, 2020 | 10:42 2 Your conservative MPs started the process ...they will not admit they were wrong and the liberals see they can use that to their advantage...


I will connect the dots for you...Gerry Ritz....Devin Dreeshen...WCWGA...sponsored by the seed industry....


Get it yet????

The conservatives are on the carbon tax issue while forgetting about the issue of BRMs because they are the ones that phucked it up....once again the liberals are just going to say farmers enjoyed being bent over by the conservatives and farmers voted for them...so why would the liberals change anything for the better...
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  • Feb 10, 2020 | 11:07 3
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Your conservative MPs started the process ...they will not admit they were wrong and the liberals see they can use that to their advantage...


    I will connect the dots for you...Gerry Ritz....Devin Dreeshen...WCWGA...sponsored by the seed industry....


    Get it yet????

    The conservatives are on the carbon tax issue while forgetting about the issue of BRMs because they are the ones that phucked it up....once again the liberals are just going to say farmers enjoyed being bent over by the conservatives and farmers voted for them...so why would the liberals change anything for the better...
    Complaining about 'water under the bridge' does not stop changes to the Canada Seeds Act and the termination of seed growers rights.

    Bucket, you had/have the right to decide and influence how seed was grown in Canada... each year you had/have the right to become a CSGA grower member in the 'Seeds Act' Statute... direct democracy.

    Fundamental Change... democracy about to be taken away.... nothing to do with the Conservatives Gerry Ritz nor your sitting MP. The Liberals are in charge/were in charge[for the last 4 years]... Honourable Ritz did get shut down... when ln your opinion he went too far. UPOV 91 is an international intellectual Property Rights convention... a part of being on this planet today...

    Cheers
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    Feb 10, 2020 | 16:44 4
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Complaining about 'water under the bridge' does not stop changes to the Canada Seeds Act and the termination of seed growers rights.

    Bucket, you had/have the right to decide and influence how seed was grown in Canada... each year you had/have the right to become a CSGA grower member in the 'Seeds Act' Statute... direct democracy.

    Fundamental Change... democracy about to be taken away.... nothing to do with the Conservatives Gerry Ritz nor your sitting MP. The Liberals are in charge/were in charge[for the last 4 years]... Honourable Ritz did get shut down... when ln your opinion he went too far. UPOV 91 is an international intellectual Property Rights convention... a part of being on this planet today...

    Cheers
    The CSGA Steering Committee of StrategyCorp creating the 'NSO'... keep having 'Special Meetings' instead of doing the CSGA member's business at the AGM...[already since July 2019- a Nov 2019 meeting, another Feb 2020, then AGM July 2020] to grind us down and cost huge $$$...

    to break our democratically constituted Seed Growers... and terminate the CSGA.

    Massive extra cost to CSGA members... to try to bring some semblance of respect and order to the take over of Seed Quality and production in Canada Reply With Quote
    Feb 10, 2020 | 17:09 5 Typical political hack ...put it back on the individual farmer to solve the problems....like I don't have enough of my own....

    Meanwhile farm groups that get money to represent farmers are silent.....

    Conservative MPs have probably heard that farmers don't like this seed tax....but like the carbon tax there is SFA they can do about it...

    And if the conservatives get back in power they won't change the seed tax to be representative of their constituents....
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    Feb 10, 2020 | 17:57 6
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Typical plitical hack ...put it back on the individual farmer to solve the problems....like I don't have enough of my own....

    Meanwhile farm groups that get money to represent farmers are silent.....

    Conservative MPs have probably heard that farmers don't like this seed tax....but like the carbon tax there is SFA they can do about it...

    And if the conservatives get back in power they won't change the seed tax to be representative of their constituents....
    Bucket,

    If you do nothing to stop the take over... you will have no right to complain.

    Lame excuses... that do nothing to express your democratic rights and aspirations... are useless. That is how democracy works.

    Complaining about Minister Ritz... is pointless... and you know it. Ask for your money back... and do your own political education of your own MP. How about start contacting the SK Boards and letting them know your opinion on Seed Synergy... now I have given you some relevant information to share with them!!! Reply With Quote
    Feb 10, 2020 | 18:12 7
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Bucket,

    If you do nothing to stop the take over... you will have no right to complain.

    Lame excuses... that do nothing to express your democratic rights and aspirations... are useless. That is how democracy works.

    Complaining about Minister Ritz... is pointless... and you know it. Ask for your money back... and do your own political education of your own MP. How about start contacting the SK Boards and letting them know your opinion on Seed Synergy... now I have given you some relevant information to share with them!!!
    On December 4 2018 ...I sat in Saskatoon and had government officials sit down at the table listening to the nonsense of a seed tax....My issue was who pays for a dud variety....or a variety of a loss of market because it is not accepted by our customers like the triffid flax issue...

    I explained to Anthony Parker of AAFC that someone has to set the rules on varietal development ....I know who paid the price in the Triffid flax episode and asked who should be responsible going forward....

    They didn't know....well...someone should outline the responsibility before the seed company goes broke to be excused from the responsibility....

    Anyway ....the responsibility is on farm groups to represent the farmers and politicians that write the new rules....if it was up to me this wouldn't be implemented.....there is no gain for farmers....or seed growers by the sound of it...

    I think we are sort of on the same side TOM on this issue....but our disagreements help the other side more ....because they thrive on divide and conquer...

    This is why I think farm groups need a single point man to represent the majority to stop this... Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 11, 2020 | 06:55 8 Just read the "Flu" thread.

    And the CSGA expects me to fly through Calgary and Montreal hubs twice... to meet with people that have been all over the Canada... [and the world] and the travellers from all over the planet [that can't fly into the USA] by going to Montreal and Calgary] where we all must travel through... for a totally un-needed vote... spending thousands$$$ to exponentially increase the risk to everyone in our farm communities to this pandemic.

    What a stupid idea to force everyone in our farm community at exponential risk...to go to Quebec for the Feb 18 CSGA Special Meeting. And on top... the CSGA refuses to release the needed info... to allow an informed vote on the issues they require a decision on.

    It would only be prudent to cancel this trip to Quebec on Feb 18th. Reply With Quote
    Feb 11, 2020 | 13:46 9
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Just read the "Flu" thread.

    And the CSGA expects me to fly through Calgary and Montreal hubs twice... to meet with people that have been all over the Canada... [and the world] and the travellers from all over the planet [that can't fly into the USA] by going to Montreal and Calgary] where we all must travel through... for a totally un-needed vote... spending thousands$$$ to exponentially increase the risk to everyone in our farm communities to this pandemic.

    What a stupid idea to force everyone in our farm community at exponential risk...to go to Quebec for the Feb 18 CSGA Special Meeting. And on top... the CSGA refuses to release the needed info... to allow an informed vote on the issues they require a decision on.

    It would only be prudent to cancel this trip to Quebec on Feb 18th.
    I guess I can drive to Quebec instead... it is only 3506 km one way to Saint-Hyacinthe where the meeting is located. One Day 13hrs to drive there. ooops... looks like family objects.... might have to do alternative submission...
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    Feb 11, 2020 | 13:53 10
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    I guess I can drive to Quebec instead... it is only 3506 km one way to Saint-Hyacinthe where the meeting is located. One Day 13hrs to drive there.
    Wish me travelling Mercies!
    Uhm, you drive 270km/hr ?? Tom, best you not break the law. Reply With Quote
    Feb 11, 2020 | 16:33 11
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    Uhm, you drive 270km/hr ?? Tom, best you not break the law.
    I read that as one day plus 13 hours. 37 hours. Reply With Quote
    Feb 11, 2020 | 17:01 12 Tom it is exactly like I told you
    Years ago
    Playing out as planned.
    That is how it works.
    There is lots if money in it , esp.
    If 2 or 3 co.s control the world seed supply.
    (We are just their bitch now)
    It is nice to see you woke up
    Finally. Little late. Mind you

    After being their promoter for
    So long.
    And no , we did not have to sign on to to UPOV91.
    Norway never did.
    They said FU. Good for them.
    Too bad we are all sheep
    Here.
    Hate to say I told you so
    But you seed growers are first on the chopping block. Reply With Quote

  • LEP
    Feb 11, 2020 | 18:16 13
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker View Post
    I read that as one day plus 13 hours. 37 hours.
    Yes I should ave added a winking emoji after the comment. Reply With Quote
    Feb 11, 2020 | 19:02 14 Tom , it would be funny , except
    For being a horrific outcome

    Are you actually saying the croplife folks
    Are not our friends.
    Imagine that.

    The problem with these trade deals and UPOV91 , is that they are not
    Really trading agreements between countries and peoples.
    What are they?
    They are transfers of power from
    Countries and citizens to corporations.
    Basicly voluntarily self emasculation. For nations .
    You voted for and supported the whole process.
    So thanks a lot ,
    It is very small consolation
    That you finally woke up. Reply With Quote

  • Feb 17, 2020 | 03:16 15
    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly1 View Post
    Tom it is exactly like I told you
    Years ago
    Playing out as planned.
    That is how it works.
    There is lots if money in it , esp.
    If 2 or 3 co.s control the world seed supply.
    (We are just their bitch now)
    It is nice to see you woke up
    Finally. Little late. Mind you

    After being their promoter for
    So long.
    And no , we did not have to sign on to to UPOV91.
    Norway never did.
    They said FU. Good for them.
    Too bad we are all sheep
    Here.
    Hate to say I told you so
    But you seed growers are first on the chopping block.
    Thx Sawfly

    Getting ready to go to QC Special Mtg. now. Thanks for your thoughts folks.

    I see India not in UPOV... China is 78, with Norway, South America, Africa, Mexico... most of the worlds farmers are not under 91... but we can be sure the 100m acres worth 300B$ will use 91 to enforce loss of farm saved seed in Canada in not many years. This fight is about much more than Canadian Seed Growers!
    It is about our life and liberty to grow food! Reply With Quote
    Feb 17, 2020 | 06:22 16 UPOV and carbon tax have the potential to completely ruin family farms . Many of us have said that from day one . Reply With Quote
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  • SASKFARMER's Avatar Feb 17, 2020 | 06:27 17 For once I agree with Tom.

    Ritz is long long gone. So enough with the BS about conservatives.


    Liberals are the big show and yes they love to **** western Canadians and BoBoo is so brain damaged you could tell her this is great and she would believe anything.

    Seed is and should never be granted total control to seed companies.

    Canola was ****ed royally and we can’t get it back even if the latest carrot is buy 3 get one free bs.

    This is one fight we need to die on.

    It’s my seed not some useless company telling me they will give me 100 BPA.

    Fu k were almost their and it wasn’t the seed it was weather and fertilizer.

    This is the final nail in Canadian farmers coffin. We lose this I quit. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 17, 2020 | 09:40 18 Gee ,this sounds a lot like the farmers being bought by the grain companies to get rid of the CWB. Why are you against the free market? Surely the free market will be much better. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 17, 2020 | 09:47 19
    Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
    Gee ,this sounds a lot like the farmers being bought by the grain companies to get rid of the CWB. Why are you against the free market? Surely the free market will be much better.
    After many years of thinking about this so called free market....


    There is no such thing....but there could be a happy medium....

    The open market in Canada doesn't exist and was poorly implemented/lobbyied for by some people that never had their name on a mortgage.....so they had no skin in its success or failure...and they didn't understand the intricate details....

    And sadly many of them are still showing up in farm groups and political circles. .....
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  • Feb 17, 2020 | 09:49 20 Awe shucks ,you mean there is no tooth fairy or Santa Claus? Reply With Quote
    Feb 17, 2020 | 09:56 21
    Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
    Awe shucks ,you mean there is no tooth fairy or Santa Claus?
    For the guys still lounging around in farm groups and political circles with liquid lunches ....actually there is a tooth fairy and Santa Claus. ...


    Companies and their officials like AGT MORRIS ILTA etc are hitting the jackpot regularly..

    Have you noticed how the farm issues are again on the back burner....if we had any leadership from farm groups we would join the blockades and heighten our stature with governments...

    Because whatever the farm groups say they are doing. ...ain't working.... Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 17, 2020 | 18:45 22 Apparently Bobo doesnt know what the seed tax is, spending too much time on the kebec dairy file i suppose:


    https://www.producer.com/2020/02/bib...l-file-by-now/
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    Feb 19, 2020 | 01:39 23
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
    For once I agree with Tom.

    Ritz is long long gone. So enough with the BS about conservatives.


    Liberals are the big show and yes they love to **** western Canadians and BoBoo is so brain damaged you could tell her this is great and she would believe anything.

    Seed is and should never be granted total control to seed companies.

    Canola was ****ed royally and we can’t get it back even if the latest carrot is buy 3 get one free bs.

    This is one fight we need to die on.

    It’s my seed not some useless company telling me they will give me 100 BPA.

    Fu k were almost their and it wasn’t the seed it was weather and fertilizer.

    This is the final nail in Canadian farmers coffin. We lose this I quit.
    Dear Saskfarmer
    On 18hr layover at Trudeau Airport in Montreal
    The Seed Growers Special Meeting was ‘special ‘ no doubt
    The ‘Industry ‘ is shameless... majority at meeting were Quebec Seedgrowers... many are concerned about this hostile takeover by Industry....

    Western Canadian grain farmers have the most to lose as the Industry will confiscate the hundreds of millions we as farmers have invested in genetics over the past decades...using UPOV91 to track through the National Seed Organization... they can force farmers to pay for UPOV 91 enforcement on every one though the Seed Basis... and get a treasure trove of Data to where all the seed genetics are planted and stored...the the seed police and seed co’s will have the records from the NSO umbrella to data check where everything is planted

    No denial forceful rebuttal that is where the NSO going as the CSGA complaint by Industry now is that privacy and data sharing of our seed information is firewalled and not accessible to trade and plant police now.

    I am high on the wall of shame once again for speaking out about grain growers promise to be allowed to have farmers saved seed privileges... and the massive funds western grain growers have invested in seed genetics over the past decades that can easily be confiscated by Crop Life Canada and Seed trade Industry by finishing varieties and owning the rights to extract trailing royalties from commercial grain growers as well as Seed Growers.

    Have a great night... from the top of the wall of Seed Industry shameful exhibit of question of the facts which requires bending the truth to wiggle out of the spotlight.

    Will check in when I get back to ALBERTA

    Sorry I was slow on the pick up of where UPOV 91 was opening us up to pillage supreme opportunity to enslave Agriculture and food production alike as our Seeds are the essence of life and freedom

    Cheers from Montreal... Quebec grain farmers are much more like us in western Canadian grain Farming than many will admit as we have both have the same concerns about Industry domination them in Quebec just like us.

    Sincerely
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    Feb 19, 2020 | 01:52 24
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Dear Saskfarmer
    On 18hr layover at Trudeau Airport in Montreal
    The Seed Growers Special Meeting was ‘special ‘ no doubt
    The ‘Industry ‘ is shameless... majority at meeting were Quebec Seedgrowers... many are concerned about this hostile takeover by Industry....

    Western Canadian grain farmers have the most to lose as the Industry will confiscate the hundreds of millions we as farmers have invested in genetics over the past decades...using UPOV91 to track through the National Seed Organization... they can force farmers to pay for UPOV 91 enforcement on every one though the Seed Basis... and get a treasure trove of Data to where all the seed genetics are planted and stored...the the seed police and seed co’s will have the records from the NSO umbrella to data check where everything is planted

    No denial forceful rebuttal that is where the NSO going as the CSGA complaint by Industry now is that privacy and data sharing of our seed information is firewalled and not accessible to trade and plant police now.

    I am high on the wall of shame once again for speaking out about grain growers promise to be allowed to have farmers saved seed privileges... and the massive funds western grain growers have invested in seed genetics over the past decades that can easily be confiscated by Crop Life Canada and Seed trade Industry by finishing varieties and owning the rights to extract trailing royalties from commercial grain growers as well as Seed Growers.

    Have a great night... from the top of the wall of Seed Industry shameful exhibit of question of the facts which requires bending the truth to wiggle out of the spotlight.

    Will check in when I get back to ALBERTA

    Sorry I was slow on the pick up of where UPOV 91 was opening us up to pillage supreme opportunity to enslave Agriculture and food production alike as our Seeds are the essence of life and freedom

    Cheers from Montreal... Quebec grain farmers are much more like us in western Canadian grain Farming than many will admit as we have both have the same concerns about Industry domination them in Quebec just like us.

    Sincerely
    Tom4cwb
    Amazing that there are close to a hundred folks of all ages at the Burger King in the Montreal Airport at 3am waiting for flights later today much laughter and smiling!
    Cheers Reply With Quote
    Feb 19, 2020 | 05:30 25 i guess that 9 dollar return for every farmer dollar invested will be coming true for someone...but...it won't be for farmers ....never was...our sask ag minister is an idiot Reply With Quote
    Feb 19, 2020 | 06:34 26 it would be pretty easy to stop the seed tax if you could get quebec farmers on side with you. Reply With Quote
    Feb 19, 2020 | 06:39 27
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    i guess that 9 dollar return for every farmer dollar invested will be coming true for someone...but...it won't be for farmers ....never was...our sask ag minister is an idiot
    So is it just the seed companies that are behind these changes or is there any producer groups or political parties also in favor? Some of us aren't clear on what is farmers and what is industry's voice any more. Reply With Quote
    Feb 19, 2020 | 06:58 28
    Quote Originally Posted by walterm View Post
    So is it just the seed companies that are behind these changes or is there any producer groups or political parties also in favor? Some of us aren't clear on what is farmers and what is industry's voice any more.
    WCWGA is on board for the seed tax and changes.....as they speak to conservatives MPs on behalf of their seed industry masters. ...I guess they think paying 60 dollars an acre for wheat seed will make them more money....


    Name an average farmer that wants more costs to their farm???? Reply With Quote
    Feb 19, 2020 | 09:26 29 Then farmers start breeding / owning / licensing their own varieties and create companies like Tom's Seed Co. IF it's bad enough, then farmers will be on board.

    Tom, wouldn't you rather be growing seed for farmers instead of big seed companies?

    There is always a choice, a different way, if it makes good economic sense you will have farmers do it.

    But, experience has shown, farmers eat their own so not too hopeful unless it gets really bad. Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2020 | 11:56 30
    Quote Originally Posted by walterm View Post
    So is it just the seed companies that are behind these changes or is there any producer groups or political parties also in favor? Some of us aren't clear on what is farmers and what is industry's voice any more.
    Dear Walterm,

    Some of us are trying to figure out the principal motivation behind the National Seed Organization 'NSO' 'single desk' Umbrella drive to absorb the CSGA, gaining access to CSGA administration records and responsibilities[Patty Townsend and Anthony Parker were the principal drivers in 2014]:

    1.) Pedigreed Seed farmers who grow pedigreed seed, and then sell this seed to commercial farmer consumers who then are forced to absorb the increased NSO cost of pedigreed Seed production... [thus enhancing the profit of Seed Companies through reduced seed police enforcement costs] is one reason;

    2.) this then is also a reason the NSO is the perfect 'Seed Trade' tool to download the costs of CPTA [Lorne Headly's UPOV 91 seed police] onto pedigreed seed production/growers [through UPOV 91 CPTA enforcement by implementation of Seed company trailing seed royalties on non-pedigreed seed] directly a seed [administrative/tax] through the yearly acreage fees and Crop Certificate 'user fees'/membership fees; charged by the CSGA to Seed Grower Members... which then becomes a part of the Administrative 'burden' in the Seed Basis that creates the retail seed cost when commercial grain growers buy 'new varieties/Certified Pedigreed Seed.
    3.) I believe the CPTA seed police believes, as do most of the Seed Companies... that that 'brown bag' farm saved seed is a direct enforcement grain farmer transgression/breaking of the law...which presently is a cost/[lost profit] to Seed Companies and Plant Breeders.... [but Ag Canada Plant breeders are somewhat neutral as levies and royalties from Agriculture Canada varieties go back directly to the Receiver General of Canada... not to the AAFC plant breeder's program directly].
    4.)'NSO' Data from the Pedigreed Seed Administration duties are perfect raw data info to Seed Companies/Trade...with instant information as to what Pedigreed seed/ of which varieties are in what locations... where they were planted... who pedigreed seed was sold to... how much... etc.

    will fill in some more questions later, Thx Reply With Quote