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Jan 20, 2020 | 17:26 1 Electric car Energy requirement is about 3.3 cents per mile when electricity
costs 10 cents per kWh

Meanwhile a gasoline vehicle with an energy efficiency of
22 miles per gallon costs about 15.9 cents per mile when gasoline costs $3.50 per gallon

Some electric vehicles, such as the EV1 from General Motors, had energy efficiencies of over 6 miles per kWh under some testing. So the energy cost would be about 1.7 cents per mile for this vehicle.

https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/costs.pdf Reply With Quote
LEP
Jan 20, 2020 | 17:29 2 Much more at .42 cents per kwh. Reply With Quote
Jan 20, 2020 | 17:44 3 What car of size equivalent to an electric one, gets only 22 mpg? I mean really? Reply With Quote

  • fjlip's Avatar Jan 20, 2020 | 18:16 4 Google road tax added to EV cost, Gov's getting their share because that ridiculously CHEAP per mile is NOT contributing to roads. EV weigh more, wear on roads is greater than gas powered. Enjoy now soon be equal costs.

    https://www.consumerreports.org/hybr...ith-high-fees/
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    Jan 20, 2020 | 18:40 5
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    Electric car Energy requirement is about 3.3 cents per mile when electricity
    costs 10 cents per kWh

    Meanwhile a gasoline vehicle with an energy efficiency of
    22 miles per gallon costs about 15.9 cents per mile when gasoline costs $3.50 per gallon

    Some electric vehicles, such as the EV1 from General Motors, had energy efficiencies of over 6 miles per kWh under some testing. So the energy cost would be about 1.7 cents per mile for this vehicle.

    https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/costs.pdf
    So in reality a Honda Civic that gets 36 mpg ave at $3.50 is around .09 / mile
    While the EV car at .42/ kWh is .12 / mile

    When using real comparison numbers . Reply With Quote
    Jan 20, 2020 | 18:57 6
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    So in reality a Honda Civic that gets 36 mpg ave at $3.50 is around .09 / mile
    While the EV car at .42/ kWh is .12 / mile

    When using real comparison numbers .
    $3.50 a gallon has over $1.50 tax in it and more if you include indirect taxes Reply With Quote
    Jan 20, 2020 | 19:16 7
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    So in reality a Honda Civic that gets 36 mpg ave at $3.50 is around .09 / mile
    While the EV car at .42/ kWh is .12 / mile

    When using real comparison numbers .
    And lots of folks get better than 36. Reply With Quote
    Jan 20, 2020 | 19:16 8 What is the going rate for road tax on EV electricity? Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 20, 2020 | 23:16 9 According to gas buddy the price of car gas in Saskatoon and Regina ranges from $4.65 to $4.90 a gallon.

    https://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPrices/Saskatchewan/Saskatoon

    Electricity rates in Manitoba are about 8.6 cents per kWh and 15 cents per kWh in Sask

    The ability to do math helps. Why deal in hyperbole?

    Who on this form pays 42 cents per kwh for electricity .

    How many farmers on this form drive a Honda Civic?
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  • Jan 20, 2020 | 23:54 10
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    According to gas buddy the price of car gas in Saskatoon and Regina ranges from $4.65 to $4.90 a gallon.

    https://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPrices/Saskatchewan/Saskatoon

    Electricity rates in Manitoba are about 8.6 cents per kWh and 15 cents per kWh in Sask

    The ability to do math helps. Why deal in hyperbole?

    Who on this form pays .42 cents per kwh for electricity .

    How many farmers on this form drive a Honda Civic?
    We drive an accord, close enough. Reply With Quote
    GDR
    Jan 21, 2020 | 00:05 11
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepwheat View Post
    We drive an accord, close enough.
    How many sheep can you get in there? Do you let some ride in the front seat! Or are they all baaa..ck seat drivers.
    Last edited by GDR; Jan 21, 2020 at 00:08.
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  • Jan 21, 2020 | 03:56 12
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    Much more at .42 cents per kwh.
    I don't tolerate bullshit to well where did you get the price of .42 cents per kwh Reply With Quote
    Jan 21, 2020 | 05:52 13 If you don’t tolerate bullshit, you should quit posting bullshit! Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 21, 2020 | 08:03 14 To those of you that preach wind solar and electric vehicles. go off the grid and use a electric vehicle for a year or two then come back on here and tell us how enjoying that year was. Until then don’t make our lives miserable listening to this bull$hit. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 21, 2020 | 10:37 15 Peddle cars are even more efficient, as long as you don’t fart because methane is ten times as damaging as CO2 to the climate. 🥴 Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 21, 2020 | 12:11 16
    Quote Originally Posted by TSIPP View Post
    If you don’t tolerate bullshit, you should quit posting bullshit!
    So you pay .42 cents per kwh for electricity Reply With Quote
    biglentil's Avatar Jan 21, 2020 | 12:18 17
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    So you pay .42 cents per kwh for electricity
    Last time I checked a kwh is 11.7 cents., but in Australia 42 cents might be closer to reality. Reply With Quote
    Jan 21, 2020 | 12:26 18
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    Peddle cars are even more efficient, as long as you don’t fart because methane is ten times as damaging as CO2 to the climate. 🥴
    Methane
    Is it as important to address as carbon dioxide?
    While methane doesn't linger as long in the atmosphere as carbon dioxide, it is initially far more devastating to the climate because of how effectively it absorbs heat.

    In the first two decades after its release, methane is 84 times more potent than carbon dioxide. We must address both types of emissions if we want to effectively reduce the impact of climate change.
    Is it as important to address as carbon dioxide?
    While methane doesn't linger as long in the atmosphere as carbon dioxide, it is initially far more devastating to the climate because of how effectively it absorbs heat.

    In the first two decades after its release, methane is 84 times more potent than carbon dioxide. We must address both types of emissions if we want to effectively reduce the impact of climate change.

    https://www.edf.org/climate/methane-other-important-greenhouse-gas Reply With Quote
    LEP
    Jan 21, 2020 | 13:41 19
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    I don't tolerate bullshit to well where did you get the price of .42 cents per kwh
    All windmill, all the time Denmark is .42 cents. That is where we are heading with doubling or tripling of generating capacity to accomodate intermittent renewables to any degree. Reply With Quote
    Jan 21, 2020 | 15:38 20
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    All windmill, all the time Denmark is .42 cents. That is where we are heading with doubling or tripling of generating capacity to accommodate intermittent renewables to any degree.
    I don't know what Denmark and its electricity price has to do with Canada. The unsubstantiated .42 cent per kwh somehow became arguments against electric vehicles in Canada on this thread. Manitoba electricity rates are less than one quarter of that at 8.6 cents per kwh.

    With respect to the electricity price in Denmark. Denmark's electricity taxes amount to 41%.

    One of the reasons for the high price of electricity in Denmark is that taxes account for a large proportion of the overall price. As of January 2019, energy taxes made up a share of approximately 16 percent of the average EU residential end-user electricity price structure. In the Danish capital Copenhagen, however, energy taxes amounted to 41 percent. This was by far the highest energy taxation in major European cities.

    As the saying goes "Figures don't lie, but liars figure"
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    Jan 21, 2020 | 15:55 21 Speaking of taxes, my carbon tax portion of my home heat last month was 39% of the cost of the gas used, before being taxed with the gst as well. And more pertinent to the case in this thread, please do tell us then the amount of taxes included in gasoline purchases, seeing as we need to compare bananas to pineapples, or sheep to wheat. Reply With Quote
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  • LEP
    Jan 21, 2020 | 16:16 22
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    I don't know what Denmark and its electricity price has to do with Canada. The unsubstantiated .42 cent per kwh somehow became arguments against electric vehicles in Canada on this thread. Manitoba electricity rates are less than one quarter of that at 8.6 cents per kwh.

    With respect to the electricity price in Denmark. Denmark's electricity taxes amount to 41%.

    One of the reasons for the high price of electricity in Denmark is that taxes account for a large proportion of the overall price. As of January 2019, energy taxes made up a share of approximately 16 percent of the average EU residential end-user electricity price structure. In the Danish capital Copenhagen, however, energy taxes amounted to 41 percent. This was by far the highest energy taxation in major European cities.

    As the saying goes "Figures don't lie, but liars figure"
    Really funny because your post was entirely figures. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 21, 2020 | 17:18 23
    Quote Originally Posted by farming101 View Post
    What is the going rate for road tax on EV electricity?
    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW MUCH ROAD TAX THERE IS IN EV ELECTRICITY????
    If there is none then how is it that petroleum fuel sales are subsidizing the use of EV's on roadways everywhere?
    LOL Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 21, 2020 | 18:24 24
    Quote Originally Posted by farming101 View Post
    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW MUCH ROAD TAX THERE IS IN EV ELECTRICITY????
    If there is none then how is it that petroleum fuel sales are subsidizing the use of EV's on roadways everywhere?
    LOL
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/st...ect-2019-12-30 Reply With Quote
    Feb 12, 2020 | 16:40 25 Cars, yes in some areas, highway trucks, nope.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJL9MasBFvM Reply With Quote