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biglentil's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 09:21 1 Pull up to the probe, barcode reader scans your phone for contracts barcode. Enter carrier, prior load and cleanout method information. Get probed, pull ahead, lasers scan your tires to make sure you are on the scale. Accept gross weight and initial grade at electronic terminal at the scale. Dump. Get your dockage, moisture, net weight and final grade to your email when your already a few miles away. No more grading room visits. Thoughts?
Last edited by biglentil; Dec 6, 2019 at 09:25.
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Dec 6, 2019 | 09:26 2
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
Pull up to the probe, barcode reader scans your phone for contracts barcode. Enter carrier, prior load and cleanout method information. Get probed, pull ahead, lasers scan your tires to make sure you are on the scale. Accept gross weight and initial grade at electronic terminal at the scale. Dump. Get your dockage, moisture, ..... to your email when your already a few miles away. No more grading room visits. Thoughts?
If you leave without a scale ticket and they make a mistake ....whats the process....

I remember hauling into Moose Jaw and they had an issue ...neighbor lost 10 tonnes of peas somehow....they said its never happened before....no scale ticket ..you are plucked.... Reply With Quote
biglentil's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 09:29 3
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
If you leave without a scale ticket and they make a mistake ....whats the process....

I remember hauling into Moose Jaw and they had an issue ...neighbor lost 10 tonnes of peas somehow....they said its never happened before....no scale ticket ..you are plucked....
You do get a simple paper ticket with gross dumped weight from the kiosk. No grades, no moisture, no dockage. Reply With Quote
Dec 6, 2019 | 09:33 4
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
You do get a simple paper ticket with gross dumped weight from the kiosk. No grades, no moisture, no dockage.
Thats a start....was this approved by the CGC????? Reply With Quote
biglentil's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 09:40 5
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
Thats a start....was this approved by the CGC?????
No idea, but I heard that they changed the system because Farmaholic was scaring the graders . *Joking* Reply With Quote
Dec 6, 2019 | 09:48 6
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
No idea, but I heard that they changed the system because Farmaholic was scaring the graders . *Joking*
There is likely some truth to it... Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 09:51 7
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
No idea, but I heard that they changed the system because Farmaholic was scaring the graders . *Joking*
Fúck off biglentil

*joking*

Actually, I'm glad you started this thread. Don't leave the driveway until you know your grade specs, you will receive those via text or email. If you need to hold up efficiency, so be it. What is your recourse once your out of the termjnal and driving down the road? Reply With Quote
Dec 6, 2019 | 09:55 8
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Fúck off biglentil

*joking*

Actually, I'm glad you started this thread. Don't leave the driveway until you know your grade specs, you will receive those via text or email. If you need to hold up efficiency, so be it. What is your recourse once your out of the termjnal and driving down the road?
Ask the CGC ....my sides hurt.....what a phucking joke... Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 10:00 9 Let me give you a lesson in standing up for yourself!

You can either be a door mat and get walked on or a spiked belt no one wants to step on!

Establish the fact you won't be walked on!

If I teach the Apprentice anything it will be to stand up for himself. Know your shit and make sure they know you know your shit.

You don't have to be an asshole but they may see it that way.

I bet everyone is "rated" in their "customer profile".

I may bark alot but my tail is usually wagging! But fúck me over and you may get bit.

I like most of the people I have to deal with. Reply With Quote

  • SASKFARMER's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 10:03 10 Same as the crushers in Yorkton. Have a credit card Thing with all your info pull up scan and your name and unload time appears and you move along. Reply With Quote
    Dec 6, 2019 | 10:05 11 How many farmers know or watch to see if grade and dockage is done properly? Or even if what wieght is on ticket is same as scale.

    Get rid of manually entering anything into computer from truck and bench scale, protein and moisture machine. It can all be done so easily the programs are all ready there and equipment is all adaptable. Reply With Quote
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  • biglentil's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 10:07 12 Don't worry bout me Farma I dont let them get away with bs. More than once I left the scale fully loaded and hauled it down the road.

    Most instances you would think if you've been probed and waiting for the scale to open up they should have the time to get your final grade, moisture and dockage before you even get to the scale. That info should be on the kiosk as soon as its available. Its bullshit that they wait till you are gone in every situation.
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    Dec 6, 2019 | 10:25 13
    Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
    Don't worry bout me Farma I dont let them get away with bs. More than once I left the scale fully loaded and hauled it down the road.

    Most instances you would think if you've been probed and waiting for the scale to open up they should have the time to get your final grade, moisture and dockage before you even get to the scale. That info should be on the kiosk as soon as its available. Its bullshit that they wait till you are gone in every situation.
    That is the idea of remote probe. Other wise they would do a proper hand sample or leg sample with the cross cut. Other thing is the only time you can ask for CGC subject too is at time of unload so unless you are in grading room watching and agree or disagree you SOL. Reply With Quote
    farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 10:28 14 Who says you have to leave before you know what's on the truck or just been dumped in the pit?

    For fuuuuuck's sake people, stand up for yourself!!! Reply With Quote
    Dec 6, 2019 | 10:30 15 The elevator knows all the specs on your load before your allowed unload. Reply With Quote
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  • farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 10:34 16
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    The elevator knows all the specs on your load before your allowed unload.
    Just to make sure people got the message.... Reply With Quote
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  • farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 10:35 17
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    The elevator knows all the specs on your load before your allowed unload.
    .....and again. And I will like my own reply to post again too!!!!! Reply With Quote

  • Dec 6, 2019 | 11:27 18 Maybe they will start staying open longer.... Reply With Quote
    farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 11:56 19 If they can send you a text or email after its unloaded why can't they send you the grade specs before its unloaded, because they don't want to? Reply With Quote
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  • Dec 6, 2019 | 12:10 20 This is a violation of the Canada Grain Act. Farmers have the right to dispute the grade the company assigns at unload and demand a sample be sent to the CGC. Once you leave the elevator you are screwed. Reply With Quote
    Dec 6, 2019 | 12:14 21 I have had it where they enter the wrong weight on the ticket. I’ve never ever seen it entered in more than what the scale says. It’s always been lower Reply With Quote

  • Dec 6, 2019 | 12:34 22
    Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
    You do get a simple paper ticket with gross dumped weight from the kiosk. No grades, no moisture, no dockage.
    wtf, bunge nipawin , has a ticket waiting for you as soon as you dump , with all grade and dockage , in real time ,and a scale you can see, wtf is wrong with these other dough heads
    dumped there a few years back before air bags , we dumped a load and never noticed it was a tad light
    a few days later they contacted us and said scale was wrong and they owed us money
    thats how you build trust , not by locking farmers out of grading room
    recently had a load of canary receive 7% dockage at a buyer , other 7 loads were between 3 & 4 %
    obviously samples got mixed up but we took the loss. thats not gonna happen anymore , I'm not waiting 2 days for dockage anymore . it will be given to me at the pit , don't give a shit how long it takes, or it will be going somewhere else Reply With Quote
    Dec 6, 2019 | 13:38 23
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    wtf, bunge nipawin , has a ticket waiting for you as soon as you dump , with all grade and dockage , in real time ,and a scale you can see, wtf is wrong with these other dough heads
    dumped there a few years back before air bags , we dumped a load and never noticed it was a tad light
    a few days later they contacted us and said scale was wrong and they owed us money
    thats how you build trust , not by locking farmers out of grading room
    recently had a load of canary receive 7% dockage at a buyer , other 7 loads were between 3 & 4 %
    obviously samples got mixed up but we took the loss. thats not gonna happen anymore , I'm not waiting 2 days for dockage anymore . it will be given to me at the pit , don't give a shit how long it takes, or it will be going somewhere else
    I have been in many many elevators and dockage is done improperly. Farmers stand there and watch and don't say a word so why wouldn't they keep doing it that way. Also have seen them add .2 or .3 onto dockage when they write it down or enter into system.

    What I can't understand is how the employees can do that and sleep at night, literally taking money from farmers some of who are family and friends. Reply With Quote
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  • farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 14:32 24 If they know there is bugs in the load before you open the trailer chutes and will send you away.....surely they can tell you the grade, dockage and moisture before you crank the chutes open.

    I realize there are some years grading is way more difficult and more time consuming than others but that's the way it is.

    I keep and provide very good representative samples..... a bin or a couple of bins combined to make up the sample will be very comparable to GOOD samples taken at the terminals, thing is you CAN'T JUDGE THE REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE BY ONE UNLOAD SAMPLE AT THE TERMINAL .....the composite of the loads WILL!!!! Reply With Quote
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  • Dec 6, 2019 | 14:54 25
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post

    I keep and provide very good representative samples..... a bin or a couple of bins combined to make up the sample will be very comparable to GOOD samples taken at the terminals, thing is you CAN'T JUDGE THE REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE BY ONE UNLOAD SAMPLE AT THE TERMINAL .....the composite of the loads WILL!!!!
    I will not be going back to Cargill in Edmonton over this very reason. They said the green count in my (very representative) canola sample was 14% and not one load from that contract came in under that. Discounts increased significantly at 15% conveniently. Obviously played games to get me in the door for the first time and they know not to bother me again.

    Every other time the sample over the years ends up close to the final settlement from other elevators. Reply With Quote
    Dec 6, 2019 | 15:04 26
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    If they know there is bugs in the load before you open the trailer chutes and will send you away.....surely they can tell you the grade, dockage and moisture before you crank the chutes open.

    I realize there are some years grading is way more difficult and more time consuming than others but that's the way it is.

    I keep and provide very good representative samples..... a bin or a couple of bins combined to make up the sample will be very comparable to GOOD samples taken at the terminals, thing is you CAN'T JUDGE THE REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE BY ONE UNLOAD SAMPLE AT THE TERMINAL .....the composite of the loads WILL!!!!
    Them they take 7 grams outta pail and that is the gospel until they check every load Reply With Quote
    helmsdale's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 15:17 27 Local elevator has a Carter day dockage machine that is as pristine as the day they bought it... bearings could very well be seized for all I know.

    Everyone gets 1.5% dockage whether you like it or not. Unless you bring screenings in...

    I despise that place!

    Got my ass chewed out when I was custom hauling before I started farming... neighbor came in wondering if they'd have room for a load of screenings. I recommended to him that I could load them up at the seed plant, haul them home for him, dump them back in the bin and magically turn the screenings into 1.5% dockage. Neighbor liked the idea. Manager was PISSED!

    Now that I farm, as far as I'm concerned there isn't even an elevator east of town. Reply With Quote
    farmaholic's Avatar Dec 6, 2019 | 15:20 28 Where it makes sense to do so, we have been keeping samples of each load that is custom hauled and self hauled out of here. It will be every bit as accurate or better than a probed load....and no risk of contamination from grain or what ever hung up in the probe and meters and meters of pipe into the grading office.

    Can you imagine getting "one" kernel of someone else's treated grain in your sample. Or with the insanely low tolerances for some downgrading specs getting someone else's heavy fusarium or severey sprouted kernels.

    No problem.... Reply With Quote
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  • Dec 6, 2019 | 15:32 29
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    The elevator knows all the specs on your load before your allowed unload.
    Exactly, so ask before you dump the load. Don't whine after the fact. Reply With Quote

  • Dec 6, 2019 | 16:17 30 We’re halfway down this path getting very high tech Reply With Quote