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Nov 17, 2019 | 17:01 1 Hmmm, increasing in area for more than 50yrs on average. Doesn't sound like warming is having an effect on land based snow pack, but we are to believe the poles are ice free.

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  • fjlip's Avatar Nov 17, 2019 | 20:31 2 Don't let FACTS and real life experience get in the way of " believe, forecast, might, could, maybe, expect, estimates, projections, computer models" Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar Nov 17, 2019 | 20:55 3 Another BIG OOPS, choke on this CC et al....
    The Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) admitted it wrongly reported Greenland’s record summer warmth,The DMI, a key player in monitoring Greenland’s climate, reported a “shocking” early-August temperature of between 2.7C (37F) and 4.7C (40.5F) at the Summit weather station, located some 3,202m above sea level at the center of the Greenland ice sheet.*
    This news quickly spread to every corner of the left-leaning web, like some nasty EOTW rash. But just a few days later the DMI posted a tweet retracting that record temp, saying that after a “closer look” (whatever that means exactly) it was revealed that the monitoring equipment had been giving “erroneous results”.
    “Was there record-level warmth on the inland ice on Friday?” said the institute’s tweet dated Aug 08. “No! A quality check has confirmed out suspicion that the measurement was too high.”*
    By combining measurements with observations from other weather stations, the DMI has now estimated that the temperature was more like -2C (28F) — quite a difference, and still only a guess.


    https://electroverse.net/the-dmi-adm...e-this-summer/

    and not once was this ever mentioned by the media or any of the powers that be..only the SCARY HOT temps
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  • Nov 17, 2019 | 23:27 4 Also from Electroverse -

    https://electroverse.net/another-cli...-breaks-ranks/

    It's almost as if politicians should stick to politics and stay away from forecasting the weather. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 18, 2019 | 00:23 5
    Swindling actors are climate forecasters too. You know they can forecast to a half a degree 120 years out. Of course! Reply With Quote
    Nov 18, 2019 | 00:51 6 The **** suckers are froze ****en solid now ,right cluck clu Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Nov 18, 2019 | 08:56 7
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    Also from Electroverse -

    https://electroverse.net/another-cli...-breaks-ranks/

    It's almost as if politicians should stick to politics and stay away from forecasting the weather.
    Another intelligent thinking person, well DUH, I have NEVER believed a "world temperature" even possible!

    “Global mean temperatures before 1980 are based on untrustworthy data,” writes Nakamura. “Before full planet surface observation by satellite began in 1980, only a small part of the Earth had been observed for temperatures with only a certain amount of accuracy and frequency."

    This is the most reasonable take away.." Climate forecasting is simply not possible, Nakamura concludes, and the impacts of human-caused CO2 can’t be judged with the knowledge and technology we currently possess.
    The models grossly simplify the way the climate works. "

    Willie Soon says same thing, WAY TOO COMPLICATED! Reply With Quote
    Nov 18, 2019 | 09:43 8 Electroverse is not a recognized scientific organization, it is a climate change activist denial site.

    There is no information on who runs or pays for the site.

    One of the Authors of many articles on Electroverse is Cap Allon. Allon is a self published childrens author of 2 books.

    "Forever" A young boy's fear of the dark sends him on a lonely, perilous journey around the world, aboard his family's sailboat. An adventure story aimed at children 9 years and older.

    "When I Scream Monster"... A terrifying tale of wild monsters and ample itch mites through a child's eye. Will you sleep tonight?

    It seems appropriate that many Agriville posters are reading articles by a childrens writer who seems to have no scientific or journalistic qualifications and is probably trying to survive by pumping out crap for the flat earth society! LOL "Truth is stranger than fiction" Reply With Quote
    Nov 18, 2019 | 10:10 9
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Electroverse is not a recognized scientific organization, it is a climate change activist denial site.

    There is no information on who runs or pays for the site.

    One of the Authors of many articles on Electroverse is Cap Allon. Allon is a self published childrens author of 2 books.

    "Forever" A young boy's fear of the dark sends him on a lonely, perilous journey around the world, aboard his family's sailboat. An adventure story aimed at children 9 years and older.

    "When I Scream Monster"... A terrifying tale of wild monsters and ample itch mites through a child's eye. Will you sleep tonight?

    It seems appropriate that many Agriville posters are reading articles by a childrens writer who seems to have no scientific or journalistic qualifications and is probably trying to survive by pumping out crap for the flat earth society! LOL "Truth is stranger than fiction"
    Thanks for attacking the messenger, now can you perhaps refute the science in the message? Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 18, 2019 | 10:16 10 There is a school of thought that one of the contributing factors to ice age cycles is the increased precipitation and therefore snowfall accumulations during warm periods resulting in more of earths water being locked up in ice sheets, and lower albedo, plus lower oceans. Then during the ice age, precipitation is extremely low due to the cold temperatures, so accumulations stops and reverses, eventually ( 80,000 years later) leading to the next interglacial. Milankovich cycles of course contributing a likely larger portion as well. Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar Nov 18, 2019 | 10:21 11 "Electroverse is not a recognized scientific organization, it is a climate change activist denial site."


    For you EVERYBODY is!

    Real good comments, describes the CULT/STUPIDITY very well...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo9zZf_N-yg Reply With Quote
    Nov 18, 2019 | 10:21 12
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Thanks for attacking the messenger, now can you perhaps refute the science in the message?
    Its not worth the bother because you don't believe in climate change science or scientists and it won't change your mind anyway.

    If NASA, NOAA, the World Meterological Organization can't provide enough evidence and proof for you then nothing will.

    Have fun defending your childrens author take on climate science! Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Nov 18, 2019 | 10:24 13 Look how HOT it's going to be...https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca...n-snow-outlook

    Refute Mickey Mouse...11,000 nobodies are SCIENTISTS...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs3Z...ature=youtu.be

    After being found out they disabled signatures and viewing them. https://scientistswarning.forestry.oregonstate.edu/
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    Nov 18, 2019 | 11:34 14
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    Look how HOT it's going to be...https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca...n-snow-outlook

    Refute Mickey Mouse...11,000 nobodies are SCIENTISTS...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs3Z...ature=youtu.be

    After being found out they disabled signatures and viewing them. https://scientistswarning.forestry.oregonstate.edu/
    The interview with Rex and this 11,000 fake scientist viewpoint is exactly why I hold great scepticism on the “climate emergency” nonsense.
    Add to the the fake temperatures used in the study on Greenland and refusal to publish or even show the “corrected” temps later by msm solidifies how disturbing this whole scam is .
    The truth is being exposed for what it really is , a UN sponsored wealth distribution tax , not off industry or elite but off the backs of the middle class workers. Canada needed to step away from the UN years ago , not dive headfirst into this quagmire. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 18, 2019 | 11:46 15
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Its not worth the bother because you don't believe in climate change science or scientists and it won't change your mind anyway.

    If NASA, NOAA, the World Meterological Organization can't provide enough evidence and proof for you then nothing will.

    Have fun defending your childrens author take on climate science!
    So if its not worth the bother to try and change our minds then why are you always on here trying to change our minds? Reply With Quote

  • Nov 18, 2019 | 12:26 16
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post

    Have fun defending your childrens author take on climate science!
    I didn't defend him. I didn't even read it, I try to avoid exposing myself to any more confirmation bias. Instead, I keep reading what you post, trying to challenge my own biases. How about you? Have you ever risked reading or viewing something that challenges your religion? It would be much appreciated if you could make an effort to understand the science so you could formulate an informed and technical response to these links, so we could have an intellectual discussion about the underlying science and evidence. Instead of this predictable attack the source rhetoric. And then wonder why most of us won't waste the time trying to help you understand.

    Is a children's author any less qualified than an actor, a 16 year old uneducated child, or a socialist disenfranchised former CWB director? Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 18, 2019 | 12:42 17
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Its not worth the bother because you don't believe in climate change science or scientists and it won't change your mind anyway.
    I made a claim with evidence just like you have with climate change. My claim refutes yours, so now show us the peer reviewed published paper that says land based snowpack extent is actually falling and not increasing and destroy my argument, if you can. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 18, 2019 | 20:20 18
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I made a claim with evidence just like you have with climate change. My claim refutes yours, so now show us the peer reviewed published paper that says land based snowpack extent is actually falling and not increasing and destroy my argument, if you can.
    Um......

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    Nov 18, 2019 | 20:45 19 [QUOTE=tweety;432087]Um......

    That's great, so no annual changes, spring and fall balance out and snow pack is exactly the same year over year. Nice research.

    And there is still no climate change.
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    Nov 18, 2019 | 21:40 20 [QUOTE=jazz;432088]
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Um......

    That's great, so no annual changes, spring and fall balance out and snow pack is exactly the same year over year. Nice research.

    And there is still no climate change.
    I guess we can conclude fall comes earlier every year, and spring comes earlier too. We need more leap years in a row to get the earth back on schedule! Reply With Quote
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    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/extent/sea-ice/N/10

    NOAA data does indeed show an increase in snow area in the autumn in the northern hemisphere.

    But NOAA also shows a very dramatic drop in sea ice. Which contradicts the assumption that the climate is cooling.

    Which is a more important indicator of climate, snow area or sea ice? Reply With Quote
    Nov 19, 2019 | 08:00 22
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
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    Which is a more important indicator of climate, snow area or sea ice?
    The seasonal land based snowpack has much more effect on the earths climate than some sea ice stuck at the pole trapped behind the jet stream.

    It is also preceded by a meter of frost into the ground and then insulated by the snowpack all winter long and then all of it is melted released into the northern jet stream every spring which circles the global many times faster than any ocean currents.

    Pesky logic. Reply With Quote
    Nov 19, 2019 | 09:20 23
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Um......

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    Where is that chart made up. Doesn’t look like anything that’s happened here in the last ten years Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 19, 2019 | 09:40 24
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    Where is that chart made up. Doesn’t look like anything that’s happened here in the last ten years
    Its an extent graph, doesn't really affect us in Canada because we always get covered, but shows how far the pack is extending into the southern reaches of the US. Shows the season is being skewed. So when those egg heads say your degree days are increasing they forget to look at the shortened season at the back end. Its always manipulation to a narrative with the climate cult. Reply With Quote
    Nov 19, 2019 | 09:45 25
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    The seasonal land based snowpack has much more effect on the earths climate than some sea ice stuck at the pole trapped behind the jet stream.

    It is also preceded by a meter of frost into the ground and then insulated by the snowpack all winter long and then all of it is melted released into the northern jet stream every spring which circles the global many times faster than any ocean currents.

    Pesky logic.
    Is that for sure or are you just speculating? You seem so sure of yourself! Some would say over confident in your assumptions. Perhaps you are "legend in your own mind"?

    Do you have a degree in climatology? And can you back your claim up with data and references?
    If the earth is cooling why is the sea ice pack shrinking in the northern hemisphere?
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    Nov 19, 2019 | 10:00 26 Its great to watch self declared arm chair experts with no background in climate science draw conclusions from one graph or factor when there are many to examine before drawing conclusions.

    That is why NOAA NASA, and the World meterological Association have hundreds of scientists in various disciplines who work together to peer review their work before providing analysis and drawing conclusions.

    But if you believe the science is all a great conspiracy then why even use snow cover analysis from NOAA?
    Isn't NOAA one of the conspirators? LOL
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    Nov 19, 2019 | 10:00 27
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    If the earth is cooling why is the sea ice pack shrinking in the northern hemisphere?
    Right back at you. If the earth is warming why are all the temp records from the 1880-1930 period before the modern oil age? Why is land based snow pack unaffected?

    I have a phd in common sense and that's more than enough to destroy climate radicals. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 19, 2019 | 10:42 28
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Right back at you. If the earth is warming why are all the temp records from the 1880-1930 period before the modern oil age? Why is land based snow pack unaffected?

    I have a phd in common sense and that's more than enough to destroy climate radicals.
    PHD in common sense? LMAO. You are an arrogant Asinus asinorum!

    Humans started burning coal thousands of years ago. Coal use increased in during the industrial revolution from about 1760 -1840 says wikipedia.

    Only fools make generalized over confident sweeping statements outside of their area of knowledge.

    Smart people know enough to be cautious and rely on evidence.
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    AllisWD45's Avatar Nov 19, 2019 | 10:48 29
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    PHD in common sense? LMAO. You are an arrogant Asinus asinorum!

    Humans started burning coal thousands of years ago. Coal use increased in during the industrial revolution from about 1760 -1840.

    Only fools make generalized over confident sweeping statements outside of their area of knowledge.

    Smart people know enough to be cautious and rely on evidence.
    Oh!!! Reply With Quote

  • Nov 19, 2019 | 10:57 30
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    PHD in common sense? LMAO. You are an arrogant Asinus asinorum!

    Humans started burning coal thousands of years ago. Coal use increased in during the industrial revolution from about 1760 -1840.

    Only fools make generalized over confident sweeping statements outside of their area of knowledge.

    Smart people know enough to be cautious and rely on evidence.
    Oh, the hypocrisy is thick in that post.
    Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    A certain saying about pots and kettles comes to mind also. Reply With Quote