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    A note to Western Canada: The rest of the country understands tough economic times

    A note to Western Canada: The rest of the country understands tough economic times
    David Parkinson
    David Parkinson Economics Reporter
    Published November 8, 2019

    Brad Wall thinks people in the rest of Canada are having a hard time understanding the anger building in the Prairies. He wants to explain it in terms that they can understand.

    “Some of our fellow citizens seem surprised and even critical of Westerners who are expressing frustration,” the former Saskatchewan premier said on Twitter. “Imagine if an industry key to central Canada lost 100,000 jobs with more under threat – and federal policies actually made it worse.”

    I guess Mr. Wall – along with Alberta Premier Jason Kenney and other outspoken Prairie leaders – were too busy feeling indignant to notice. It already happened.

    In 2006, Ontario had more than 1 million manufacturing jobs. By the middle of 2009, it had about 750,000. Those jobs never came back; employment in the sector has hovered around that level ever since. One-quarter of the province’s long-standing economic lifeblood looks to be permanently gone.

    And, yes, one could argue that government policy consciously allowed it to leave. The North American free-trade agreement, and the country’s embracing of global trade liberalization generally, opened the door to the migration of manufacturing jobs away from relatively high-cost Canada to lower-cost markets such as Mexico and China. The hardships of the Great Recession cemented that migration. Whether you support the benefits of free trade, it has been an undeniable consequence.

    This happened at a time when Alberta, because of sustained strong oil prices, escaped the recession with barely a scratch and flat-out boomed thereafter. Its economy grew by more than 30 per cent from 2009 to 2014, its employment by 13 per cent, its per capita provincial government-program spending by more than 20 per cent.

    And that’s not the only tale of a region’s main industry being gutted – sometimes abetted, if not outright triggered, by government policy – while the country’s Western oil and gas regions basked in prosperity.

    In 1992, Ottawa imposed a moratorium on cod fishing off the Atlantic coast, citing the near-extinction of several species due to overfishing. That ban, which continues to this day, effectively permanently shut down Newfoundland and Labrador’s cod fishery, the mainstay of the provincial economy for nearly 500 years. Overnight, the moratorium wiped out more than 35,000 jobs – roughly 15 per cent of the province’s labour force – most of them in hundreds of small fishing communities where there was essentially no other industry.

    In the six years after the imposition of the cod moratorium, the Newfoundland and Labrador economy grew by a total of 2.8 per cent; it was in recession in two of those years. In the same period, Alberta’s booming economy grew nearly 30 per cent; it added 200,000 jobs.

    In 1995, British Columbia (that other part of Western Canada that Alberta and Saskatchewan seem to have forgotten about in all their alienation talk) had more than 100,000 people directly employed by its forest-products industry, the historic bedrock of the provincial economy. Two decades later, employment had shrunk to half that. Towns all over the tree-rich province, from Port Alberni to Chetwynd, endured the devastation of mill closings. This long, painful downturn came during that same 20 years that employment in Alberta’s oil-and-gas-extraction industry more than doubled, to 110,000.

    Perhaps the people in all these other parts of Canada don’t understand the hostility that some of the loudest voices coming from the Prairies are directing at the rest of the country – the angry accusations of ungratefulness, greed and betrayal. Maybe they are perplexed by the paranoia that has some Albertans accusing the federal government of actively seeking to destroy Canada’s richest province and the Prime Minister of harbouring a hatred inherited from his father that has put “Ruin Alberta” at the top of his secret to-do list. Maybe they can’t comprehend how so many people can talk openly about dismantling 152 years of common nationhood over a pipeline.

    Those things you can try to explain. I’m really struggling with them, and I grew up in Alberta during Pierre Trudeau’s despised National Energy Program.

    But don’t tell the rest of Canada that it doesn’t understand the pain of seeing an industry that was its economic bedrock crumble beneath it. Don’t try to explain to people in places like Oshawa, Ont., where the auto assembly plant is closing, or Shawinigan, Que., where the paper mill was shuttered, or Bonavista, N.L., where the cod disappeared and took a quarter of the town with it, what it’s like to have your livelihood threatened by the unstoppable march of change. They know.

    You didn’t invent hardship. Your preaching is a slap in the face to all your fellow Canadians who suffered while you thrived. It’s that slap that they’re really having trouble understanding.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-a-note-to-brad-wall-the-rest-of-canada-understands-tough-economic/

    #2
    Chuck I'm not sure what you're trying to do with this bullshit article.

    Canola ****ed by the Trudeau gov. Really you don't need to be a brain surgeon to not figure that out.

    Oil screwed because of pipelines. Take a drive to Williston ND and Estevan. Gee one is booming one is not.

    Canada with its jobs numbers 1800 less in October, wow we had an election they hired huge amount of people during October.

    Durum to Italy.

    Buy Saudi oil but we cant ship grain to them.

    India and the dancing fool.

    Finally, a useless ****ing Carbon tax that added to everything going on in Canada and hit the west hard. Our furnaces start running in October and go till May.

    So unless you live under a rock only one thing has hurt the West.

    It's ANOTHER ****ING TRUDEAU.

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      #3
      Did Alberta only hire Albertans during that boom?

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        #4
        Oh I know I know Iknow.

        The eastern Boys ran west and sent money home. We had them on our block in Regina. Love the Money but when done went home and voted Liberal.

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          #5
          Not going to get triggered at that troll article.

          Simply put the Canadian govt destroyed the fisheries industry by not understanding the cyclical nature of fish stocks (bad science again) and not defending it against foreign operators - Spanish and now Chinese trawlers sitting out off the grand banks. Now the stocks are back and boom, no fisher people to do the work.

          Softwood lumber has been in a dumping dispute with the US forever.

          Same thing will happen with Oil and then Ag if this govt survives.

          Oh and f you too chuck.

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            #6
            Nafta was put into law on Jan.1,1994 yet the author of the article blames it for the loss of jobs 12-15 years later?! Does the author remember the federal government bailing out the auto manufacturers?

            Cod fishery, hmmm there is no doubt foreign countries coming and fishing just outside our waters help deplete this resource but remember there was a lack of fish, in Alberta we still have the third largest oil reserves in the world.

            Personally after reading the article doesn't change my mind, Justin Trudeau is actively trying to reduce the size of western Canada's oil industry. Stephen Harper didn't enact legislation that caused manufacturing to leave eastern Canada, in fact he did the opposite by bailing some aspects of it out. Justin Trudeau says one thing in Quebec and then comes to western Canada and says something different, this doesn't help confidence, this doesn't promote investment. Enjoy your day.

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              #7
              Don't waste your time trying to blame politicians for the end of the commodity boom based mostly on unsustainable growth in China.

              Most of what has happened is a function of supply and demand and changing markets . Errol discussed the impact China has on commodity markets.

              The canola issue is a result of Trump and China's trade war. We are just collateral damage. Caught up in Trump trying to take on China.

              The US doesn't want Huawei to control telecommunications. Trump openly said Meng Wanzhou could be used as a bargaining chip. Thanks Donald for putting Canada between a rock and hard place.
              Last edited by chuckChuck; Nov 9, 2019, 07:55.

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                #8
                Typical ignoramus from the east and another reason why it is independence time. It is true that the real economy in other regions of canuckistan has shrunk as the article states. Guess what those folks are doing now? Government jobs paid for by tax dollars sourced on the prairies and debt. Folks back east will never understand that until after separation. Canuckistan is a third world country because the real economy: the one that produces good and services that people need and want is shrinking fast. Nobody needs a tax audit but lots of folks in this shithole go to work for that purpose. Nobody needs climate propaganda. In the west there are some who are trying to still grow what is left of that economy and the folks in the rest of the country are trying to shut that down.

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                  #9
                  Brad Wall and David Parkinson could have a debate....it would be like watching two little kids in a sandbox....neither know shit about the value of agriculture to this country....lightweight retards...

                  Disclaimer...no offence should be taken by those mentally challenged

                  ....you are smarter than some that run a province and built a football stadium and a bypass that will need constant repair for 30 years...and a CCS that costs more to maintain than it earns....3.5 billion of taxpayer money wasted by a guy that can't read a blueprint..
                  Last edited by bucket; Nov 9, 2019, 09:04.

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                    #10
                    The one big difference is that there is that unlike the examples in your article, there no reduction in demand for oil and gas, supplies are still here and still available, it cannot be outsourced to cheaper places, demand continues to grow, prices are very good historically. Yet government policies are purposefully, possibly even spitefully, blocking any attempts to produce it here.

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                      #11
                      Chuckle we are the ones that start the ball rolling. Without our raw products those ****s don’t have a job. Everything starts here. We lose they lose bigger. Most of those jobs there are union bullshit jobs that are just spinoffs of our products. Most of those people wouldn’t know what wheat or canola look like as they munch on their frito lays. If farmers would take the whole year off could u imagine the shit storm of joblessness. Trump seems to know that whether u like him or not. No beans or corn and the economy is totally fubarred.

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                        #12
                        It occurred to me that our future on the present path, will be a standard of living in line with Atlantic Canada.
                        This is where they are planning for us to go. Trudeau and his group have made that clear. No one deserves more than the lower end. Especially if you live outside the Laurentians, or don't have a doctorate.

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                          #13
                          I know a lot of Newfs.
                          So glad I blocked Chuck.

                          Have a peaceful day!!!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                            A note to Western Canada: The rest of the country understands tough economic times
                            David Parkinson
                            David Parkinson Economics Reporter
                            Published November 8, 2019

                            Brad Wall thinks people in the rest of Canada are having a hard time understanding the anger building in the Prairies. He wants to explain it in terms that they can understand.

                            “Some of our fellow citizens seem surprised and even critical of Westerners who are expressing frustration,” the former Saskatchewan premier said on Twitter. “Imagine if an industry key to central Canada lost 100,000 jobs with more under threat – and federal policies actually made it worse.”

                            I guess Mr. Wall – along with Alberta Premier Jason Kenney and other outspoken Prairie leaders – were too busy feeling indignant to notice. It already happened.

                            In 2006, Ontario had more than 1 million manufacturing jobs. By the middle of 2009, it had about 750,000. Those jobs never came back; employment in the sector has hovered around that level ever since. One-quarter of the province’s long-standing economic lifeblood looks to be permanently gone.

                            And, yes, one could argue that government policy consciously allowed it to leave. The North American free-trade agreement, and the country’s embracing of global trade liberalization generally, opened the door to the migration of manufacturing jobs away from relatively high-cost Canada to lower-cost markets such as Mexico and China. The hardships of the Great Recession cemented that migration. Whether you support the benefits of free trade, it has been an undeniable consequence.

                            This happened at a time when Alberta, because of sustained strong oil prices, escaped the recession with barely a scratch and flat-out boomed thereafter. Its economy grew by more than 30 per cent from 2009 to 2014, its employment by 13 per cent, its per capita provincial government-program spending by more than 20 per cent.

                            And that’s not the only tale of a region’s main industry being gutted – sometimes abetted, if not outright triggered, by government policy – while the country’s Western oil and gas regions basked in prosperity.

                            In 1992, Ottawa imposed a moratorium on cod fishing off the Atlantic coast, citing the near-extinction of several species due to overfishing. That ban, which continues to this day, effectively permanently shut down Newfoundland and Labrador’s cod fishery, the mainstay of the provincial economy for nearly 500 years. Overnight, the moratorium wiped out more than 35,000 jobs – roughly 15 per cent of the province’s labour force – most of them in hundreds of small fishing communities where there was essentially no other industry.

                            In the six years after the imposition of the cod moratorium, the Newfoundland and Labrador economy grew by a total of 2.8 per cent; it was in recession in two of those years. In the same period, Alberta’s booming economy grew nearly 30 per cent; it added 200,000 jobs.

                            In 1995, British Columbia (that other part of Western Canada that Alberta and Saskatchewan seem to have forgotten about in all their alienation talk) had more than 100,000 people directly employed by its forest-products industry, the historic bedrock of the provincial economy. Two decades later, employment had shrunk to half that. Towns all over the tree-rich province, from Port Alberni to Chetwynd, endured the devastation of mill closings. This long, painful downturn came during that same 20 years that employment in Alberta’s oil-and-gas-extraction industry more than doubled, to 110,000.

                            Perhaps the people in all these other parts of Canada don’t understand the hostility that some of the loudest voices coming from the Prairies are directing at the rest of the country – the angry accusations of ungratefulness, greed and betrayal. Maybe they are perplexed by the paranoia that has some Albertans accusing the federal government of actively seeking to destroy Canada’s richest province and the Prime Minister of harbouring a hatred inherited from his father that has put “Ruin Alberta” at the top of his secret to-do list. Maybe they can’t comprehend how so many people can talk openly about dismantling 152 years of common nationhood over a pipeline.

                            Those things you can try to explain. I’m really struggling with them, and I grew up in Alberta during Pierre Trudeau’s despised National Energy Program.

                            But don’t tell the rest of Canada that it doesn’t understand the pain of seeing an industry that was its economic bedrock crumble beneath it. Don’t try to explain to people in places like Oshawa, Ont., where the auto assembly plant is closing, or Shawinigan, Que., where the paper mill was shuttered, or Bonavista, N.L., where the cod disappeared and took a quarter of the town with it, what it’s like to have your livelihood threatened by the unstoppable march of change. They know.

                            You didn’t invent hardship. Your preaching is a slap in the face to all your fellow Canadians who suffered while you thrived. It’s that slap that they’re really having trouble understanding.

                            https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-a-note-to-brad-wall-the-rest-of-canada-understands-tough-economic/
                            Yes hard times come to all, that is not what the west is angry over. It is being kicked while we are down that is pissing everybody off. Not one of your example conveys the same likeness as what is happening now. In your examples, it is just an industry dealing with a slowdown. They never had do deal with the slowdown, plus an onslaught from the government to make life harder at the same time as well.

                            Not only are crop prices falling and debt skyrocketing on the prairies, but we have to fend off a government that wants every spare dollar that may be left. And also live in an environment that the government makes harder and harder to do business in. And also in an environment where the government ruins our markets.

                            -Carbon tax
                            -Seed tax
                            -Shelving of pipeline projects
                            -Bill 6
                            -The oil tanker ban off of BC Coastline
                            -Trudeau making a fool of himself in India effectively ruining the pulse industry
                            -Detaining the Huawei executive effectively ruining the canola industry

                            Just to name a few. Granted not all, but most, are federal doings. Bill 6 was imposed by a premier that was in Trudeau's pocket in my opinion. So might as well have come from federal anyway.
                            Last edited by flea beetle; Nov 9, 2019, 11:00.

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                              #15
                              Damn, you posted it, so I had to read it.
                              That's a leftard saying we deserve it.

                              Had a relative landlord tell me upon pulling back his land, "I didn't think it would hurt you that bad".
                              Reminds me of him. I told him," I'll decide what hurts me, Not you"!!

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