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Nov 7, 2019 | 13:17 1 FMG, just bought some cheese and yogurt ??????????
goes up everytime you go in the store
anyone who thinks they aren't supporting these farmers so they can bid up price of land, and hire professional activists , has rocks in their head
its like they have a free rein to charge whatever they want Reply With Quote
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  • ajl
    Nov 7, 2019 | 13:29 2 In related news, after three years of low prices paid to the producer, US dairy prices have risen 20% over the past couple of months. Apparently it is possible to have a functional dairy industry without government riding shotgun all the time. Reply With Quote

  • Nov 7, 2019 | 18:11 3
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    FMG, just bought some cheese and yogurt ??????????
    goes up everytime you go in the store
    anyone who thinks they aren't supporting these farmers so they can bid up price of land, and hire professional activists , has rocks in their head
    its like they have a free rein to charge whatever they want
    Where are the prices increases going though Case? into the pocket of the dairy farmer, the processor or the retailer? I suspect the latter two. Turning into just the same as every other food product farmers produce - something we gets cents on the dollar for while the Agri-food sector flourishes. You realise that milk, or milk products that are now being imported aren't subject to the supply management system? So a processor or retailer is able to buy really cheap product in the US and retail it in Canada for a price as high or higher than regular CDN prices. Imagine the positive margin stretch that gives the processor or retailer. No wonder these people lobbied so hard to break the SM system. Who is better off as a result? Neither the consumer or the dairy farmer. How predictable. Reply With Quote

  • Nov 7, 2019 | 20:53 4 Have imports of milk and milk products into Canada increased a lot lately? Reply With Quote
    Nov 7, 2019 | 21:16 5
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    Where are the prices increases going though Case? into the pocket of the dairy farmer, the processor or the retailer? I suspect the latter two. Turning into just the same as every other food product farmers produce - something we gets cents on the dollar for while the Agri-food sector flourishes. You realise that milk, or milk products that are now being imported aren't subject to the supply management system? So a processor or retailer is able to buy really cheap product in the US and retail it in Canada for a price as high or higher than regular CDN prices. Imagine the positive margin stretch that gives the processor or retailer. No wonder these people lobbied so hard to break the SM system. Who is better off as a result? Neither the consumer or the dairy farmer. How predictable.
    Hutterite colony’s sure seem to be suffering. Dairy is their big driver . Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 7, 2019 | 22:32 6
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Hutterite colony’s sure seem to be suffering. Dairy is their big driver .
    Have they lots of dairy cows round you? The ones I've known haven't been big into dairy - one had about 60 cows. Most here don't have dairy cattle, some have no livestock at all in fact. I suspect the Hutterites will own a far bigger percentage of the other supply managed products - the poultry side - than they do dairy. They also seem to be about the only people still in hogs other than the Corporate operations. Reply With Quote
    Nov 7, 2019 | 23:44 7 Maybe we're all too entitled to deal with livestock anymore. Im only 3 years out of beef so enjoying the more manageable hours of 100% grain. Not less, or easier. Im babysitting my dryer which feels like a never ending calving season. But im not willing to tell one grass roots ag industry that they are less worthy then the next. If dairy is the gravy train, then find a way to jump on board instead of feeding the over priced fear mongering. If the CWB actually did what they said they were doing for half a century, they would have had us recieving a premium for "at par" product so lets keep the good fight aimed in the right direction. Reply With Quote

  • Nov 8, 2019 | 06:11 8
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    Where are the prices increases going though Case? into the pocket of the dairy farmer, the processor or the retailer? I suspect the latter two. Turning into just the same as every other food product farmers produce - something we gets cents on the dollar for while the Agri-food sector flourishes. You realise that milk, or milk products that are now being imported aren't subject to the supply management system? So a processor or retailer is able to buy really cheap product in the US and retail it in Canada for a price as high or higher than regular CDN prices. Imagine the positive margin stretch that gives the processor or retailer. No wonder these people lobbied so hard to break the SM system. Who is better off as a result? Neither the consumer or the dairy farmer. How predictable.
    Have imports of milk and milk products into Canada increased a lot lately? Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 07:33 9
    Quote Originally Posted by farming101 View Post
    Have imports of milk and milk products into Canada increased a lot lately?
    Yes, between January 2018 and January 2019 they rose about 18% equating to around 22,000,000 kgs of product. Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 11:33 10
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    Yes, between January 2018 and January 2019 they rose about 18% equating to around 22,000,000 kgs of product.
    Thanks. I assume that is comparing to the Jan 17 to Jan 18 period? Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 14:32 11
    Quote Originally Posted by farming101 View Post
    Thanks. I assume that is comparing to the Jan 17 to Jan 18 period?
    Yes it is. Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 15:14 12 The reason for the 1.75 billion to dairy producers is to compensate them for the loss of quota production. The reason for this loss in quota is he horrendous trade deals that were signed by Trudeau and Freeland The European CETA and the TPP have now given Europe and the US 20% access to Canadian dairy market. Dairy farmers did not or do not support the sell out of their industry by Trudeau. Why the anger at other farmers in our country and dairy farmers in Alberta and Sask. All farmers are victims here. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 8, 2019 | 15:26 13 Dairy price study finds Canadians don't pay more for milk

    The study, published last week by a new Ottawa-based trade firm called Export Action Global, found Canadians don’t pay more for comparable dairy products than consumers in countries with deregulated dairy industries.

    “Milk prices in Canada are lower on average than in Australia, New Zealand, and the U.S. Canadians currently pay less on average than Americans for butter, yogurt, and cheese,” reads the report. http://www.realagriculture.com/.../dairy-price-study.../ Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 16:22 14
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    Dairy price study finds Canadians don't pay more for milk

    The study, published last week by a new Ottawa-based trade firm called Export Action Global, found Canadians don’t pay more for comparable dairy products than consumers in countries with deregulated dairy industries.

    “Milk prices in Canada are lower on average than in Australia, New Zealand, and the U.S. Canadians currently pay less on average than Americans for butter, yogurt, and cheese,” reads the report. http://www.realagriculture.com/.../dairy-price-study.../
    There goes grassfarmers idea that the processors and retailers are taking all the profit. If Canadian producers are being paid more than their US counterparts, and grocery store prices are lower than US, then the only explanation is that the middle men are taking a smaller piece of the pie? Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 17:07 15
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    There goes grassfarmers idea that the processors and retailers are taking all the profit. If Canadian producers are being paid more than their US counterparts, and grocery store prices are lower than US, then the only explanation is that the middle men are taking a smaller piece of the pie?
    On the contrary AF5 it validates everything I've ever argued about supply managed dairy on here. Proof that it is the best dairy system in the world - providing some of the cheaper milk and dairy products in a developed country for a very reasonable cost by simply restricting the take of the middleman and incurring virtually no taxpayer money other than administration of the program.
    While the report mentioned was stated as "last week's" that's not quite the case. It was published April 9th 2018. The data and discussion contained within the document had an end date of 2016.
    So this pretty much confirms what I've been arguing all along.
    The most recent discussion on SM deals with claims that milk and dairy products are getting dearer every time the poster goes to the store which caused me to comment that this may not in fact be making the dairy farmer any more money, indeed as a result of the damage done to the SM dairy sector by the Harper initiated, Trudeau rubber stamped opening of doors to imported product it is possible that neither dairy farmers or consumers are benefitting from the price increases the OP indicated. As I indicated in response to farming 101s question the import figures showed a substantial increase between 2018-19 compared to the year earlier. Time wise this is clearly out with the scope of the report so report doesn't indicate the current state of affairs.

    Here is the report for anyone wishing to read it http://https://www.exportactionglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Dairy-Systems-Around-The-World_Export-Action-Global_April-2018.pdf Reply With Quote
    farmaholic's Avatar Nov 8, 2019 | 17:47 16 Both a liter of gas/diesel and milk are sometimes about the same price.
    Bottled water at Subway is about $2.60 ...its not a liter either.

    Thank you Dairy Farmer. I know Dairying has become easier than the old methods but you deserve every bit of your pay. Reply With Quote

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    Nov 8, 2019 | 19:36 17
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    Have they lots of dairy cows round you? The ones I've known haven't been big into dairy - one had about 60 cows. Most here don't have dairy cattle, some have no livestock at all in fact. I suspect the Hutterites will own a far bigger percentage of the other supply managed products - the poultry side - than they do dairy. They also seem to be about the only people still in hogs other than the Corporate operations.
    Visited a dairy in the US recently that will soon be milking about 40000 cows TWICE per day. Blew my mind and i can see why Canadian dairy farmers are so protective of their system. Don't think they will win however. Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 20:09 18 Dairy price study finds Canadians don't pay more for milk

    The study, published last week by a new Ottawa-based trade firm called Export Action Global, found Canadians don’t pay more for comparable dairy products than consumers in countries with deregulated dairy industries.

    “Milk prices in Canada are lower on average than in Australia, New Zealand, and the U.S. Canadians currently pay less on average than Americans for butter, yogurt, and cheese,” reads the report. https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/04/dairy-price-study-finds-canadians-dont-pay-more-for-milk
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    Nov 8, 2019 | 20:28 19
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    Dairy price study finds Canadians don't pay more for milk

    The study, published last week by a new Ottawa-based trade firm called Export Action Global, found Canadians don’t pay more for comparable dairy products than consumers in countries with deregulated dairy industries.

    “Milk prices in Canada are lower on average than in Australia, New Zealand, and the U.S. Canadians currently pay less on average than Americans for butter, yogurt, and cheese,” reads the report. http://www.realagriculture.com/.../dairy-price-study.../
    As I posted above it wasn't published last week it was April 2018. Check the proper link I posted. Reply With Quote

  • Nov 8, 2019 | 20:28 20 As you know dairy farmers in the US receive large subsidies. In spite of this dairy farmers in the US face bankruptcy and devastation.
    Wisconsin Dairy Farmers Going Bankrupt in Record Numbers, Blame Trump Tariffs
    https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/wisconsin-dairy-farmers-going-bankrupt-in-record-numbers-blame-trump-tariffs-AvFKY8KGHUKiGy1nmhG7Tw/ Reply With Quote
    Nov 8, 2019 | 20:36 21 The Dairy Farmers Are in Crisis—and It Could Change Wisconsin Forever

    There was a time when the soft glow of barn lights dotted Wisconsin’s rural landscape like stars in a constellation, connecting families who labored into the night milking cows, feeding calves and finishing chores.

    Hundreds of those barns are dark now, the cows gone, the hum of milking machines silenced.

    "All of our neighbors are done," said Sue Spaulding, a dairy farmer near Shell Lake, in Washburn County.

    https://onecountryproject.com/dairy-farmers-are-in-crisis-and-it-could-change-wisconsin-forever/
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    Nov 8, 2019 | 20:49 22
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    As I posted above it wasn't published last week it was April 2018. Check the proper link I posted.
    Thanks Grass here is the link https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/04/dairy-price-study-finds-canadians-dont-pay-more-for-milk
    Last edited by Integrity_Farmer; Nov 8, 2019 at 20:55.
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    Nov 8, 2019 | 20:59 23
    Quote Originally Posted by Integrity_Farmer View Post
    Thanks Grass here is the link https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/04/dairy-price-study-finds-canadians-dont-pay-more-for-milk
    Not sure why you keep posting a link to an article about the study rather than the actual study which I posted? I even hot linked the correct link. Reply With Quote