Subsidies you guys similar?

[malleefarmer]

Cut and paste sorry.

"Trade war revives farm subsidies-Trump gives $42 billion to American farmers-Australian farmers get 1.7% of income from taxpayer-ONLY country with less is NZ-many rich nations subsidise farmers 60% of their income-where is this level playing field I keep hearing about?"

What were get here is a fuel rebate. Our diesel and gas has a raft of taxes which funds roads and infrastructure as farmers we get that back because were using it on farm. 38 cents a litre have to buy fuel and claim it back.

Basically thats it some drought funding if you qualify. No govt backed income protection/insurance zero.

Canada similar?

[grassfarmer]

I saw some interesting figures recently Mallee of total household income on Canadian farms from 2008-2014 (which included some good years on the crop side at least)

The income was derived:
41% from off farm employment. (think wives, partners as well as farmers working off farm)
15% from off farm investments.
15% from farm program payments. (all types of subsidy/support)
10% from pensions. (shows the demographic of the sector)
only around 16% net market income. (adjusted for Capital Cost Allowance)

[malleefarmer]

guess i dont count wives/off farm work.

ive got nine neighbours 6 of there wives work. Mine doesnt

[GDR]

[QUOTE=grassfarmer;421162]I saw some interesting figures recently Mallee of total household income on Canadian farms from 2008-2014 (which included some good years on the crop side at least)

The income was derived:
41% from off farm employment. (think wives, partners as well as farmers working off farm)
15% from off farm investments.
15% from farm program payments. (all types of subsidy/support)
10% from pensions. (shows the demographic of the sector)
only around 16% net market income. (adjusted for Capital Cost

My guess is those numbers are useless. Everytime I here farm stats in Canada I call bs. I always hate when they make us sound like a bunch of basket cases! For the calculations what constitutes a farmer? Live rural? Own farmland but may or may not farm it? Crop share? Have fat cattle in custom lot that you've never seen? Have an alpaca, couple chickens and a horse but file as a farmer to run purple fuel?

Would like to know true stats but kinda not likely.

On my farm, no off farm income, no investment income, no pension, agri invest of 1%, 99% commodity sales income.

Farm fuel and crop ins cost share are not income, just expense reduction.

And contrary to what those stats (and us complaining farmers) always say as a farmer I've had a healthy income and tax bill the last 10yrs.

[malleefarmer]

Dont the subsidies trade barriers etc with farmers knowing full well they my get income from such govt policy encourage them to keep growing the crops affected meaning beans mostly i guess.

And add to the ever increasing mountain of beans?

[SASKFARMER]

In Canada, we have fun with numbers from the Gov.

Like our Crap insurance Bill.


$200,000.00 cost of the Insurance for the said farm.
Min gov share
50,000.00 Fed gov.

Min Provincial share.

50,000.00

Farmers cost

$100,000.00

Profit after all expenses Sask. crop insurance couple million.

So again fun with numbers.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Dont the subsidies trade barriers etc with farmers knowing full well they my get income from such govt policy encourage them to keep growing the crops affected meaning beans mostly i guess.

And add to the ever increasing mountain of beans?

Exactly, sends all the wrong signals at the wrong time.

[SASKFARMER]

Yes, it does Alberta, but when Skippy gives billions to Unhurt Dairy farmers and Canola farmers out west are gutted by Skippy's screw-ups they become needed.

This Market knows crap is bullshit like bins of Canola on farms.

But let's give a Company Billions for six employees.