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SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 13, 2019 | 07:08 1 It was a cute saying and people gobbled it up but the reality with farming in Canada, we live in the land of No Gov support.

Every time the US farmer takes a hit on Soy or Corn we feel it just as bad or worse and our prices are adjusted downward.

The US farmer got a subsidy in winter and canola dropped by that same amount.

The Canadian Gov said it was a Science-based issue and they would deal with it.

How has that worked with the Pea and Lentil markets with India?

Our organizations that work for farmers behalf in Canada are useless fools who won't stand up for farmers at any cost. They are like the dogs our fathers had in the back windows of a car in the 60s. Heads bobbing up and down. Yes, men.

First ill explain some stuff for the new farmers. We saw this shit show before. We were told to compete and adjust to the new reality as the feds couldn't help us out and basically you either changed or got run over and sold out. People actually rented land from others for taxes. Yea that is correct. Yes, debt review was set up but the reality is it was a polite way to exit and get out. Some bought back assets but others just gave up and left.

Mental health HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is a joke as I am dealing with the Medical system with my mother now and you're basically on your own. If you leave it up to the experts your ****#ED. Social workers are needed to deal with hospitals and they just move paper and document everything for themselves. Things you complain about they look like a deer in headlights.

Well, anyone needing mental health help needs a family willing to go the extra mile to make sure they get help. Strong family will help but leaving it to the experts you become a number and they do nothing.

Back to Ag and the shit show were in now.

You know with today's prices for inputs and equipment you'll almost need a 100 wheat and 100 canola to make ends meet. The companies don't care as they are concerned about one thing and that's their profit, not yours. The seed tax is an example of corporate welfare and they will get it, trust me its almost a done deal.

Ag more than ever should read. AG keep working till we figure out how to replace farmers and then watch food prices skyrocket.

The new food guide is an example of the shit show in Ag. Yes, plant-based blah blah blah dog shit food is what they are pushing. Now as a Pea farmer I should be ecstatic. HAHAHAHAH is my comment if for one second you believe we farmers will benefit I have some nice oceanfront property in the desert for you. This is about company profits. They will purchase peas or lentils of any kind of dog food price will look good compared to the price you will get. Then they will have a filler add the chemicals needed to make shit burgers etc. This is about profit. Cheap filler and few chemicals and sell for the same as beef etc or chicken. Its all about the profit and stupid consumers just can't figure it out.

Why am I getting more down on Ag every day is really simple. Trudeau will win the fall election because of Quebec and Ontario. Scheer is playing this election wrong and needs to go for the throat of the fool along time ago.

So what will ag look like with four more years of Trudeau? Think to look listen.

More immigrants are ok but why not south African farmers etc. We will be outvoted real fast. I like my new neighbours but guess what these are Drs. Lawyers in Wascana buying these houses.

Most arent.

Second, once were outvoted were screwed.

Well, we have been screwed for a long time. Ag is hurting in western Canada and get ready for the ride it's going to get a lot worse. The feds don't care about farming and when he wins again they won't even return our calls. Sort of like china now with Freeland.

Ag No More. Reply With Quote

  • SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 13, 2019 | 07:21 2 The above was written because I feel we're on way too low prices and really low prices. If the shit show supplier keeps increasing our costs how long till we're doing it all for shits and giggles because there is no profit.

    If soy drops the price of canola will follow and fall hard.

    If corn goes down the price of feed products in Canada will drop huge amounts.

    Peas are in the shitter and so is lentils etc.

    Also, anyone who believes there crop insurance statement that the feds and province pick up half your smoking ****ing dope.

    Its an insurance and based on the average individual cost it cash flows. Those two lines are to make you feel like your getting something from them.

    Ag stab is a joke.

    Ag invest is gutted so only one good program out there with min amount.

    Private insurance is profit insurance it's not to keep you farming.

    Strap in the shit show some of us have been calling is about to hit us full force. Reply With Quote

  • farmaholic's Avatar Aug 13, 2019 | 07:34 3 Maybe it's time for a reset anyway, as long as we don't lose too many young farmers or a new generation of potential farmers.

    We can all look around our neighborhood and see how many farms in the mid eighties early nineties had potential farmers that were either discouraged to farm or weren't interested, but maybe if they would have seen some affluence in their parents lives instead of stress, heartache, anxiety and penny pinching....... Reply With Quote

  • Aug 13, 2019 | 07:50 4 We have a very poor lobby effort in Western Canada....very poor ROI on dollars spent for lobbying...


    whether it be APAS, conservative MPs , saskparty MPs , any checkoff funding organization ...


    All very silent...


    the way Ralph likes it...

    But all still in my wallet....and everyone of them will pat themselves on the back...and tell themselves good job...

    You don't have to ask...they will tell you how good a job they are doing... Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 13, 2019 | 07:51 5 If I could have confidence that AB is really ready to do something if skippy gets in again I would say bring it on and even cast my vote for good(fornothing)dale to speed it up.

    It isnt just ag thats ignored. Its the whole palliser triangle. Skippy flys to BC once a week, even goes into welfare Atlantic Canada. Doles money out all over those places. Never ever stops in here to shore up our industries. In fact beats them down even more.

    Best we can hope for is to hold him to a minority govt then he joins with Liz May and we are screwed twice s fast. But there will be a nasty recession in there like the early 1980s. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Aug 13, 2019 | 07:53 6 Felt like the eighties all over again for damn near a year now.
    This summer a son of a *****.
    So wish I had been able to retire last year. Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 07:54 7
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    If I could have confidence that AB is really ready to do something if skippy gets in again I would say bring it on and even cast my vote for good(fornothing)dale to speed it up.

    It isnt just ag thats ignored. Its the whole palliser triangle. Skippy flys to BC once a week, even goes into welfare Atlantic Canada. Doles money out all over those places. Never ever stops in here to shore up our industries. In fact beats them down even more.

    Best we can hope for is to hold him to a minority govt then he joins with Liz May and we are screwed twice s fast. But there will be a nasty recession in there like the early 1980s.
    Elizabeth May is not even close to spending time in reality anymore.... Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 07:55 8 For SK from a fellow wascana view refugee, there is a little ponzi scheme going on in this area. Dont be fooled by shiny things. Some of those briliant doctors and lawyers are balls deep into negative equity over here. You dont build a $5m house in Regina. The taxes alone on those are $30k a year. Those guys will be riding those fake plasterboard homes to the grave. Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 07:58 9
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    Felt like the eighties all over again for damn near a year now.
    This summer a son of a *****.
    So wish I had been able to retire last year.
    While farmaholic says there were lots of farmers lost in the 80s and its true.....the generation of farmers lost this go round is pretty important to watch....

    They will retire and rather go pump gas....they have the ability to greet people pleasantly (not me but most) ...show up for work and live rather cheap if need be...


    Who is going to do the farming?????shift workers???? TFW funded by the government???? Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 08:07 10 Do I see a slant towards sociolisim ,gov money ,payouts,programs, all the while maximum imputs trying to drive prices at least localy down. Did anyone ever think if we quit buying fert,chem,new iron, all of a sudden we would have a lot more allies, and as a bonus I think our prices would increase somewhat.
    Unfortuntly its dam the torpedos full speed ahead and "I" will grow all the crops I want to and the marked better figure out how to market them. Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 08:07 11
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Who is going to do the farming?????shift workers???? TFW funded by the government????
    I think its pretty clear that skippy doesn't want an export based economy. He would rather spend on pet causes than make money for the country. Canada is in for a very nasty surprise probably a couple years out. Probably Liberals spend like crazy to cover it up, people ride with it for a while, change govt who tries to clean it up and then turns on them too just like Doug Ford. Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 08:17 12
    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    Do I see a slant towards sociolisim ,gov money ,payouts,programs, all the while maximum imputs trying to drive prices at least localy down. Did anyone ever think if we quit buying fert,chem,new iron, all of a sudden we would have a lot more allies, and as a bonus I think our prices would increase somewhat.
    Unfortuntly its dam the torpedos full speed ahead and "I" will grow all the crops I want to and the marked better figure out how to market them.
    Good comments Horse .....BUT...our former customers for our grain are now our competitors...AND our government has destroyed the remaining customers relationships....THEREFORE ...handing our trade to our former customers (now competitors) on a silver platter... Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 13, 2019 | 08:34 13
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I think its pretty clear that skippy doesn't want an export based economy. He would rather spend on pet causes than make money for the country. Canada is in for a very nasty surprise probably a couple years out. Probably Liberals spend like crazy to cover it up, people ride with it for a while, change govt who tries to clean it up and then turns on them too just like Doug Ford.
    Trudeau is just too incompetent to run a country....he was passed his competency level when he quit having tea parties with his kids....

    Its just embarrassing already...he is a trained monkey at best...in three years he has made Canada an embarrassment on the world stage....

    He has never understood how a person works their way to a 100,000 plus dollar a year job ...because he has never worked .....

    The people of Canada are not that stupid to re-elect this fool ...are they????? Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 13, 2019 | 08:53 14
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    The people of Canada are not that stupid to re-elect this fool ...are they?????
    You would be shocked at the average Canadians intelligence and experience. Yes they would. And if the country gets into trouble, western equalization will bail them out. That's how they think. Its going to be close in Oct and a minority is likely the outcome and that might not be better than what we have now.

    I would advise people to have some plan for wealth protection. If skippy gets in I will be booking my capital gains with a sale of my farm into my company. Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 08:55 15
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    You would be shocked at the average Canadians intelligence and experience. Yes they would. And if the country gets into trouble, western equalization will bail them out. That's how they think. Its going to be close in Oct and a minority is likely the outcome and that might not be better than what we have now.

    I would advise people to have some plan for wealth protection. If skippy gets in I will be booking my capital gains with a sale of my farm into my company.
    There is nothing left to tax but farm transitions....probably 250 billion worth of assets have to be rolled in the next 7 years....they want a piece of it...

    Disclaimer: Dairies will be excluded.... Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 09:15 16
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post

    The people of Canada are not that stupid to re-elect this fool ...are they?????
    Yes, it looks like just enough of them are stupid/gullible/brainwashed/partisan enough to re-elect this fool.

    And I for one am cheering them on. That is the straw that will break the camels back and convince enough westerners that there is no future for us within confederation, and no way to ever effect change from within.

    Reelecting Trudeau would be the equivalent of the entire ROC giving westerners the finger, just like Pierre did literally last time around. Everyone has a breaking point. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 13, 2019 | 10:37 17 Thank Trump's Tariffs for the low commodity prices.

    You all know prices are based in the USA. Sure Trump has pledge money to his farmers but are they getting any of it, if so why was Sonny Perdue Boo'd in Minn. when he called farmer's a bunch of whiners.

    Get your facts straight guys, the problem with poor commodity prices originates from down south. Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 10:45 18
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    Thank Trump's Tariffs for the low commodity prices.

    You all know prices are based in the USA. Sure Trump has pledge money to his farmers but are they getting any of it, if so why was Sonny Perdue Boo'd in Minn. when he called farmer's a bunch of whiners.

    Get your facts straight guys, the problem with poor commodity prices originates from down south.


    Ok.... Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 10:45 19
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    Thank Trump's Tariffs for the low commodity prices.

    You all know prices are based in the USA. Sure Trump has pledge money to his farmers but are they getting any of it, if so why was Sonny Perdue Boo'd in Minn. when he called farmer's a bunch of whiners.

    Get your facts straight guys, the problem with poor commodity prices originates from down south.
    Exactly but the US government is topping up the poor prices....

    We don't get that here....


    I might be a whiner but at some point someone will realize farmers keep a lot of people employed with good salaries.....better than what a lot farmers net in the year.... Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 13, 2019 | 10:47 20 Forage our family in the USA is sticking with trump and seeded half a corn crop and soy in mud now it quit raining. Yes prices are based out of the USA but canada ****ed up this time and it was trudeau. Gender issues in trade deals wtf. Look in the mirror he is a idiot.

    I do agree with Alberta that if the fool gets elected most people from western canada will vote to leave canada. I for one am done. Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 10:53 21 Western Canada ( Saskatchewan and Alberta) would be a great asset to the US....to support the farmers here wouldn't take that much compared the resources they are acquiring....


    Not sure why Alberta and Saskatchewan premiers don't make the case for either separation or combining these two into one...

    Then I think we could be taken seriously with 3 million people... Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 11:23 22
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post

    Then I think we could be taken seriously with 3 million people...
    Its not 1980 anymore thankfully, Sask Ab and MB have about 6 million people and a f of a lot of resources. And I bet dollars to donuts the day we announced separation, another million would move in here from the ROC. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 13, 2019 | 12:27 23 Zero point zero govt intervention help in ag here.

    Drought last yea some freight subsidies for hay and water only.

    But was basically so Tucker’s got paid.

    Maybe it’s the way it should be sink or swim you get tired arms after a while Reply With Quote
    Aug 13, 2019 | 12:31 24 Not often I argue with sask but if you convinced prices are gonna tumble 2 options sell physical grain at today’s prices or on paper. Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 13, 2019 | 19:32 25 Australia doesn’t have Pm flying all over the world handing out billions.

    It’s time to get real serious.

    TRUDEAUMUSTGO Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 13, 2019 | 20:18 26 Sometimes u gotta take a stand on things. Something not many politicians will do especially in this country. The Chinese think we shud just buy their shit and not take ours. That’s just wrong. As much as I don’t care for Trumps tweeting he knows how to take a stand and not waiver on his beliefs. He stands up for his country. Something our dough head knows nothing about. To blame the price of commodities tanking solely on him isnt entirely his doing. This shit show has been coming for a while and the “weather station” farmers need a reality check on how farmers generations past had to deal with circumstances outside of their control. Hard times make better business men not just the all in and everything will be fine cause the weather station says so. Reply With Quote

  • SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 14, 2019 | 05:59 27 I said the peak happened a while back around the time Redland farms sold to the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund. Yes, hard times to make for a better manager as you learn real quick you can't roll a rock uphill for long.

    Now a Bank just left Canada and didn't even try to get its money out just wiped out credit card debt. Are we on the verge of Defaulting as a country has Justin took us that far? Ontario is Broke others are also bad something is happening. Reply With Quote
    farmaholic's Avatar Aug 14, 2019 | 06:41 28 A host is only capable of supporting so many parasites.
    Me thinks there is room for trimming fat and cinching belts in this Industry, and not just at the Primary Producer's level either.

    What happens when the ROI on pension fund owned farmland is no longer beating inflation or even negative? Or worse yet the investment loses principal value? Reply With Quote
    Aug 14, 2019 | 08:07 29 Fake prosperity, manipulated stats. Real pain coming.

    How did the Liberals create 1 million new jobs when almost 1.3 million new immigrants arrived and almost 20% of them are unskilled, uneducated non english speaking refugees who will be at food banks and welfare for the rest of theuir natural lives.

    How does an export based capital intensive economy stay afloat when first you cancel $250B in resource projects, shelve or stall another $100B in pending projects and then send almost $500B in capital to leave the country. How do you have such a great economy when GDP is like 1.1% probably actually lower.

    I think western separation is truly the best option now. Canada is done. A recession is probably around the corner and that will sink us. To think we had an MBA trained economist as our leader and we turfed him because we didn't like his hair. Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 14, 2019 | 12:49 30 I am starting to lean more to western separation this time. Skippy and company are not here for my well being. They want our money our tax and our resources for them to piss away.

    Trudeaumustgo Reply With Quote