What happens to land prices during western separation(or not)?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yeah, but all you born here Canadians should have a better clue about what's going on in your own country. This is just fantasy league stuff - the impression most of you seem to be under that western Canada remains a white, right-wing farm economy is simply not realistic. You need to view a broader picture than your own postal code. It's a hugely urbanized population and becoming more so every day. MB just came off a long stretch of NDP Government, Alberta just had an NDP term, BC still does and as SF3 likes to remind us SK had decades of NDP. That does not look like the majority of the population in the west have ever been right wing and with immigration it will become less, not more so.

I can see some disillusionment or resentment with Federal Government treatment of western Canada on some issues but that's politics, that's neighbours, that's normal. The idea that there is any kind of political will or desire among the general population for separation is just not there. Where were the calls for separation during the Harper era? Non-existent because this is just a reaction to a Liberal Government unpopular with some in the west. It's not even on the radar of the majority of western Canadians.
When Canada Day rolls around you'll all be celebrating this great country - east and west together.
As we say in Scotland "Better Together".

Not trying to turn this thread into a the pros/cons or probability of separation, there have been enough of those lately, but wanting to know what others think would happen to a farmers biggest asset in the event that separation either happens, or threatens to happen.

I assume you have made some very wise and profitable land deals, going from Scotland to AB must have allowed you to increase your acreage by many multiples, and going from AB to MB when you did must have at least doubled or tripled the acreage for the same money, and MB values have only improved ever since, even more than AB. So I assumed you would be a good resource on where you think land values are going, and what factors could affect them.

But if you continue to believe that separation is somehow a right vs left or white vs everyone else issue, then you are obviously completely out of touch with the current situation in Alberta, where recent polling has support for separation at 50%, and even higher for discontent with Ottawa. The discontent does not respect party lines, race or religion. Pretending that it does is the fantasy.

[biglentil]

Hate to say it but the Monarchy will not let us seperate. Its not just symbolic folks, you think you own land. You really do not, you hold it of the Crown. All of Canada is infact Crown land.

[15444]

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary so Kenny should have a chance..

Kenny is not married, so he has no chance. US electorate will not elect atheists or singles for president.

[Guest]

As to the answer to the original question of the thread , just ask anyone from south africa . When the rest of the world put sanctions on their country it brought SA to its knees . Their govt was powerless to stop the wave and now a lot of land is not even being farmed . A young fella here working for a local farmer is from there , still owns 1200 ac on paper but cant farm it . It is worthless . He just left and came here hoping for a better life , now he is scared that the same thing is happening here
I think we are screwed whether we seperate or not

[chuckChuck]

Land prices after separation? Who cares because its not going to happen.

Farming is really a challenge most places in the world, but there are still alot of people that would like to be farming in western Canada.

Most farmers support restrictions on foreign ownership. There is no appetite for letting american farmers and corporations own vast amounts of land. Let alone joining the USA. That is a pipe dream by the delusional.

As other posters have indicated this is just political ruminations by a few disgruntled sore losers who can't stand to let democracy work.

We have gone back and forth between Conservative and Liberal governments for ages and all we get is a bunch of whining and hyperbole from the hyper partisan fringe when the Liberals are in power.

And it is laughable how many posts there are about how bad it is in Canada. If this is bad, you guys need to read about or visit some developing countries and see what bad really is.

[SASKFARMER]

Chuck like your support for the CWB you're so out of touch with reality it isn't even funny.

If the shit head wins things are going to change real fast. Wealthy and poor alike can't stand or take Trudeau and Quebec corruption. ITs a sickness that has happened since France lost.

It will happen and a negotiated deal with the USA, not joining but working together for both parties interest.

Grass you have no clue about the history of Canada.

This shit of Screw the west has happened since time began and the wealth has always been here. The only problem is we were part of Canada and not the USA.

The East elites hate us.

It's not just an attitude of a few western Canadians it a majority in thinking now.

Trudeau wins Alberta Sask and Manitoba and parts of Ontario and Bc will join and create something. Canada has failed and will change. It's going to happen.

[jazz]

Yeah Chuck, I don't wake up every morning and be happy Canada is not like Somalia. That's small thinking. Instead I look to what Canada could be and not living up to its potential from backward thinking and weak leadership.

Lets look to the US example, farmland in the Mississippi area. The land values aren't high because they grow better crops than us. The land values are high because US capital has developed the area with infrastructure that then drew in other forms of wealth. The same thing will happen if the US is allowed in here.

Just look at our north. Poor, low population, no infrastructure. Then look at Alaska. That's what American capital can do. Canada is capital poor and what we do string together always goes to buy off voters down east.

[Taiga]

There is significant support for separation, it is all anyone is talking about around here. Liberals will never admit it, but will continue to inflame it. I bet well over majority in 90% of B.C. (excluding Vancouver, V Island, NDP hippies in northern West Coast), AB and Sask. No idea on Manitoba.

[grassfarmer]

There is significant support for separation, it is all anyone is talking about around here. Liberals will never admit it, but will continue to inflame it. I bet well over majority in 90% of B.C. (excluding Vancouver, V Island, NDP hippies in northern West Coast), AB and Sask. No idea on Manitoba.

Acres don't vote though, people do. Even if 90% of the land area is inhabited by people who want to separate but the other 10% contains 80% of the population and the vote you'll never get a majority in favour. That's the situation.

[tweety]

Acres don't vote though, people do. Even if 90% of the land area is inhabited by people who want to separate but the other 10% contains 80% of the population and the vote you'll never get a majority in favour. That's the situation.

Farmers and Agriculture are becoming even less meaningless then the west is to central Canada. All of the land of Canada is owned by Queen Elizabeth. You own nothing. The Canadian Act has no provision for any Canadian to own physical land in Canada. You only own an interest in an estate, so go ahead and surmise what your value is in that. 9.7% of Canada is privately owned, while the rest is Crown land. The Queen is the head of the state.

Alberta5, where is your Agricultural War Room? The Sky Palace?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Farmers and Agriculture are becoming even less meaningless then the west is to central Canada. All of the land of Canada is owned by Queen Elizabeth. You own nothing. The Canadian Act has no provision for any Canadian to own physical land in Canada. You only own an interest in an estate, so go ahead and surmise what your value is in that. 9.7% of Canada is privately owned, while the rest is Crown land. The Queen is the head of the state.

Alberta5, where is your Agricultural War Room? The Sky Palace?

I get the impression we aren't even discussing the same issue.

I'm concerned about how the fallout of a separation movement, regardless of outcome will affect our largest investment. Will we be collateral damage, or can we benefit from it?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Acres don't vote though, people do. Even if 90% of the land area is inhabited by people who want to separate but the other 10% contains 80% of the population and the vote you'll never get a majority in favour. That's the situation.

You assume that people don't have a breaking point? You assume that people will continue to respect the rule of law and the democratic process even after accepting that they are clearly not designed in their favour, especially after destroying their livelihoods? Or that the Americans will not reach a breaking point where they will no longer tolerate a country on their northern border openly mocking their values and institutions, welcoming known terrorists, cosying up to, and trading with their enemies, creeping ever closer to socialism/communism? And you think the ROC has any means to stop either movement?

[Robertbarlage]

I never thought a flunky drama teacher would lead Canada to !

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And it is laughable how many posts there are about how bad it is in Canada. If this is bad, you guys need to read about or visit some developing countries and see what bad really is.

Typical socialist attitude. We aren't as bad as Burkina Faso yet, so we just need some more socialism until you can get us all drug down to their level. Never aspire to improve, or be better, always about the equal distribution of poverty. And when you succeed in ruining our prosperity and our GDP equals Burkina Faso, who is going to be able to send aid to Burkina Faso?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I never thought a flunky drama teacher would lead Canada to !

Exactly. How many of the folks so certain that the status quo will exist indefinitely saw that we would be led by an incompetent puppet as of 2019, or the US by a mentally unstable reality TV star, or Brexit, or the break up of the Soviet Union, or that our tax dollars would go to fight increased plant food, or the associated yield benefits that losing war has resulted in worldwide, or that the US would be energy self sufficient, or saw the commodity boom and bust coming, and prepared for them, or saw the rise and fall of the tech bubble, or crypto currencies and positioned themselves accordingly?