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    #16
    Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
    Oh, the irony. Even rolling MB, SK, AB and BC together you're only about 11.5 million - way smaller than Ontario alone and less than a third of the Canadian population. You'd need to move more that 2 million to even this up, and that's on the glib assumption that BC would want anything to do with it. They after all are the ones determined not to allow increased shipments of AB oil to get to the coast through their province. Without them you're close to 5 million less people - isolated and landlocked with a sixth of the Canadian population and apparently not good at math.
    Interesting Grassfarmer, you come from a country with a population of just over 5 million and has its own desires of independence. I will grant you that Scotland is not landlocked like western Canada. I do agree that there is a good portion of residents in BC who look at the world somewhat differently than the majority of residents in the praire provinces. Having said that I see little value coming to Alberta from Ottawa! Ottawa is doing all it can to slow or eliminate growth in Alberta's energy sector, at some point this will become very clear to Albertan's. What baffles me the most is this moronic belief we can replace an innovative energy sector that exports its equipment and technology to the world with government subsidized imported chinese solar panels, this shows a true inability to do math!!! Enjoy your day.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
      Interesting Grassfarmer, you come from a country with a population of just over 5 million and has its own desires of independence. I will grant you that Scotland is not landlocked like western Canada....
      Independence would be a dumb idea in both places, hopefully sanity prevails in both and it never happens.

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        #18
        Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
        Oh, the irony. Even rolling MB, SK, AB and BC together you're only about 11.5 million - way smaller than Ontario alone and less than a third of the Canadian population. You'd need to move more that 2 million to even this up, and that's on the glib assumption that BC would want anything to do with it. They after all are the ones determined not to allow increased shipments of AB oil to get to the coast through their province. Without them you're close to 5 million less people - isolated and landlocked with a sixth of the Canadian population and apparently not good at math.
        you might be surprised how population of the western republic would increase dramatically in the days following separation from this cancer ridden pus filled growth . people are sick of the corruption in quebec and those assholes running dictators for this fine country. i worked in quebec , years ago, drilling for natural gas , no less. theres a lot of good people there that are sick of the bullshit. and ontario, well you can see they have had their fill.

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          #19
          Haha grass, in that measly little 11 million people is the world 4th largest oil producer. Kuwait is its own country with the same pop as AB.

          Economics matter note votes.

          And did you notice that NWT signed onto that letter to skippy and MB? We are not landlocked.

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            #20
            There is more to this countries economy than western resources and commodities. But the resource sector will still be an important part of our economy for a long time yet.

            Its not being shut down, even though Harper signed a G7 agreement that Canada would stop using fossil energy by 2100.

            Norway has strict environmental regulations, many electric cars, reduced carbon emissions, collects generous oil royalties and has a trillion dollars from their oil wealth invested in a heritage fund. Not too bad I would say. They are still capitalists.

            But try to collect more royalties, strengthen environmental regulations and protect the environment in Canada and the world is going to end? The oil industry can't even clean up its own mess of abandoned and orphaned wells without whining and complaining.

            Did everyone believe that the out of control unsustainable resource boom was going to last forever? Reasonable and thoughtful people know better.

            Oil and gas have always been cyclical. Alberta has always had a boom and bust economy. Its the curse of the resource sector and aggravated by mismanagement.

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              #21
              However moot the conversation, I think it could fly.

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                #22
                Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                Oh, the irony. Even rolling MB, SK, AB and BC together you're only about 11.5 million - way smaller than Ontario alone and less than a third of the Canadian population. You'd need to move more that 2 million to even this up, and that's on the glib assumption that BC would want anything to do with it. They after all are the ones determined not to allow increased shipments of AB oil to get to the coast through their province. Without them you're close to 5 million less people - isolated and landlocked with a sixth of the Canadian population and apparently not good at math.
                Perhaps you haven't seen a map of North America, but after we join the US, we will not be land locked, most of the refineries that can process our oil are already there, and much of the infrastructure already in place, we already trade more with them than interprovincially. And their federal government has the tools to make things happen that are in the best interests of the country, and isn't afraid to use them. This east-west union we are in is not natural or logical and is destined to fail geographically. So, add our population to 327 million (legal) Americans, and the ROC is insignificant.

                And by geographic area, the majority of BC residents are hard working, common sense people. If the lower mainland wants to remain an isolated island of socialist pot utopia, they are welcome to do so, while all the regions with resources leave them behind. See the 2011 election map, there is a very wide blue corridor to ocean front.
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                Just like most regions of Canada, the silent majority of the people of BC are not the ones agitating against economic development, they are too busy working hard and paying taxes.

                But, go ahead and keep your head in the sand, and pretend the status quo will exist indefinitely.
                Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Jun 14, 2019, 10:01.

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                  #23
                  Go ahead and promote separation. It will be something for you to do when you are not too busy farming and researching when the next ice age is going to hit.

                  See if Kenney, Moe, Palister and Scheer will go for it in their next elections. I am sure it will be a big winner of an idea.

                  Many western Canadian politicians have made their political careers on blaming Liberals and Easterners for all their problems. Now is your chance to seize power while voters are angry about everything and everyone.

                  Doug Ford may want to join in too. Oh.....except his popularity is currently 20% lower than Kathleen Wynne's just before she lost the election. So Doug may want to be cautious.

                  Quebec's Francois Legault and his Conservative CAQ may join in separating too. Quebec is always pissed about something, especially being dominated by English Canada!

                  Whose left? PEI, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and BC. They might support separating in a big blue wave of discontentment that is happening out on the coasts.

                  They don't have as much oil but they are still pissed about the loss of the salmon and the codfish. Plus Alberta got all the easy oil and big money without trying real hard. God screwed up the geology and put most of the oil in Alberta instead of giving everyone an easy road to riches.

                  Plus all the Newfoundlanders can just stay in Alberta if they separate or have dual citizenship.

                  Newfoundlanders came late to confederation and they might just want to leave early with Alberta.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                    Go ahead and promote separation. It will be something for you to do when you are not too busy farming and researching when the next ice age is going to hit.

                    See if Kenney, Moe, Palister and Scheer will go for it in their next elections. I am sure it will be a big winner of an idea.

                    Many western Canadian politicians have made their political careers on blaming Liberals and Easterners for all their problems. Now is your chance to seize power while voters are angry about everything and everyone.

                    Doug Ford may want to join in too. Oh.....except his popularity is currently 20% lower than Kathleen Wynne's just before she lost the election. So Doug may want to be cautious.

                    Quebec's Francois Legault and his Conservative CAQ may join in separating too. Quebec is always pissed about something, especially being dominated by English Canada!

                    Whose left? PEI, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and BC. They might support separating in a big blue wave of discontentment that is happening out on the coasts.

                    They don't have as much oil but they are still pissed about the loss of the salmon and the codfish. Plus Alberta got all the easy oil and big money without trying real hard. God screwed up the geology and put most of the oil in Alberta instead of giving everyone an easy road to riches.

                    Plus all the Newfoundlanders can just stay in Alberta if they separate or have dual citizenship.

                    Newfoundlanders came late to confederation and they might just want to leave early with Alberta.
                    There is as much oil in Sask as there is in Alberta . Not sure why you hate prosperity so much , but to be expected from an ex CWB hard core supporter. They hate to see others succeed lol , it’s in your DNA

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post

                      Plus Alberta got all the easy oil and big money without trying real hard. God screwed up the geology and put most of the oil in Alberta instead of giving everyone an easy road to riches.
                      This statement needs to be framed and put up on the wall. It just epitomizes the contemptuous, jealous bitter attitude of those on the left. Thanks for sharing how you really feel, and explaining it so well. This attitude is so prevalent amongst people like Chuck, and there are so many of them in this country, that this is exactly why separation is the only option. Like I said in another thread, to you guys, it is never about striving to be better, always about dragging everyone else down to your level.

                      And since it is so easy, every is welcome to come and do it, literally, and many of them do come and share in the wealth. It is the ultimate and most effective wealth equalization project ever. How many winters have you spent tripping pipe at 40 below soaking wet living in a camp, or slinging skids in a muddy ditch, or tramping mosquito infested swampy cutlines connecting seismograph cables? How many weeks a year have you spent in a camp away from your family? How much of your capital have you risked drilling holes in the ground since it is just so easy to do?

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                        #26
                        You guys just need a Louis Riel to lead us out!

                        Are you up for it?

                        They might hang you.

                        Great old article by W O Mitchell from McLeans before reporters were political activists.

                        Refreshing to read past the first half.

                        https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1952/2/1/the-riddle-of-louis-riel

                        Be nice if someone smarter could make the link live.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                          There is as much oil in Sask as there is in Alberta . Not sure why you hate prosperity so much , but to be expected from an ex CWB hard core supporter. They hate to see others succeed lol , it’s in your DNA
                          Get your facts straight. Alberta won the lottery when it comes to oil reserves.

                          I don't hate prosperity. I think Norway is a great example of a well managed prosperous country. But I do hate greedy types who want it all for themselves, can't plan for the future, and when the unsustainable boom goes bust, blames everyone else.

                          Wikipedia "Oil reserves in Canada were estimated at 172 billion barrels (27×109 m3) as of the start of 2015 . This figure includes the oil sands reserves that are estimated by government regulators to be economically producible at current prices using current technology.[1] According to this figure, Canada's reserves are third only to Venezuela and Saudi Arabia. Over 95% of these reserves are in the oil sands deposits in the province of Alberta.[2] Alberta contains nearly all of Canada's oil sands and much of its conventional oil reserves. The balance is concentrated in several other provinces and territories. Saskatchewan and offshore areas of Newfoundland in particular have substantial oil production and reserves.[3] Alberta has 39% of Canada's remaining conventional oil reserves, offshore Newfoundland 28% and Saskatchewan 27%, but if oil sands are included, Alberta's share is over 98%.[4]

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                            This statement needs to be framed and put up on the wall. It just epitomizes the contemptuous, jealous bitter attitude of those on the left. Thanks for sharing how you really feel, and explaining it so well. This attitude is so prevalent amongst people like Chuck, and there are so many of them in this country, that this is exactly why separation is the only option. Like I said in another thread, to you guys, it is never about striving to be better, always about dragging everyone else down to your level.

                            And since it is so easy, every is welcome to come and do it, literally, and many of them do come and share in the wealth. It is the ultimate and most effective wealth equalization project ever. How many winters have you spent tripping pipe at 40 below soaking wet living in a camp, or slinging skids in a muddy ditch, or tramping mosquito infested swampy cutlines connecting seismograph cables? How many weeks a year have you spent in a camp away from your family? How much of your capital have you risked drilling holes in the ground since it is just so easy to do?
                            If I could like that one a thousand times lol.

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                              #29
                              Ya, we won the geology lottery.
                              But lost the geography lottery.
                              Had we lost the war of 1812.
                              The politics and the railroads on this continent would flow like the water. North and South.

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                                #30
                                Ha, wouldnt you know the anti oil crusader doesnt know sweet FA about our oil reserves.

                                There is just as much in S Sask as there is in the sands and its sweeter and worth more money. Just cant mine it.

                                https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bakken-formation-will-it-fuel-canada-s-oil-industry-1.761789 There may be as many as 503 billion barrels of oil in the Bakken Formation that runs under Saskatchewan, Manitoba, North Dakota and Montana.

                                Price estimated between 271 billion and 503 billion barrels, he didn't include Canada, because he didn't expect to find any oil that far north. The fact that Saskatchewan is already producing five million barrels a year indicates that Price may have underestimated the amount by a significant amount.
                                "About 25 per cent of the Bakken is in Saskatchewan," said Schneider. "So it stands to reason that 25 per cent of the oil is too."



                                Little ol neglected socialist sask is one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in the world in terms of resources. Gas and oil under potash under farmland sitting on the countries best wind and solar resources. Too bad we has such shtty politicians.
                                Last edited by jazz; Jun 15, 2019, 21:45.

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