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May 11, 2019 | 12:03 31 I know back when I was younger there would be a large group that would cut firewood and clean campgrounds at provincial parks . But they stopped that because it was demeaning to the poor little criminals.......
now they get satellite TV, exercise rooms,fun group activities..... it’s the easy button society now even for young offenders. Reply With Quote
May 12, 2019 | 07:52 32 If you grow up in poverty and poor social conditions with few opportunities for getting ahead you have a good chance of remaining in that situation for the rest of your life. There are exceptions of course. But children have no control over who their parents are, where they live and go to school. Many first nation communities don't measure up to the the living and community standards we are accustomed to and don't have clean water,good housing, and good schools and enough well paying jobs. We created the situation they find themselves in when the Indian Act was passed in 1876. Much has changed since then but here is an example of how the deck was stacked against first nations:

Restriction on access to the courts

A 1927 amendment (Section 141) forbid any first nation or band from retaining a lawyer for the purpose of making a claim against Canada, and further forbid them from raising money to retain a lawyer, on punishment of imprisonment.[18][19] Reply With Quote
May 12, 2019 | 08:26 33 “We” never created any situation.
That was done long before any of us our our parents were even born Reply With Quote
May 12, 2019 | 08:30 34 Same with the residential school excuse for all actions , that has nothing to do with me or my family .... if anyone should be responsible it is the church .... not today’s tax payers Reply With Quote
May 12, 2019 | 08:32 35 The Vatican has lots of money to pay for their past wrongs . It in no way ever fall onto today’s tax payers that had zero to do with any of those issues.
That’s my take , like it or don’t , but it is certainly not my financial responsibility for any of their issues , ever . Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar May 12, 2019 | 08:52 36 Easy subject to talk about endlessly, but impossible to do anything about.
The power of culture etc.
No fix will ever happen.
We've made them sovereign. The money will have to run out for all of us first.
Deed them their land and be done.

If only Newfoundlanders had done that, they would never have had to migrate to survive lol.. Reply With Quote
May 13, 2019 | 06:27 37 Harper apologized in 2008 for the residential school policy that was supported by governments up until the 1960s.

" Mr. Speaker, I stand before you today to offer an apology to former students of Indian residential schools. The treatment of children in Indian residential schools is a sad chapter in our history. . . . Today, we recognize that this policy of assimilation was wrong, has caused great harm, and has no place in our country. . . .

The government now recognizes that the consequences of the Indian residential schools policy were profoundly negative and that this policy has had a lasting and damaging impact on aboriginal culture, heritage and language."


There are still many problems with first nations policy and living conditions in this country and yes we are all responsible for letting third world conditions exist on first nations!

The first thing to do is recognize our attitudes are part of the problem and accept responsibility for the welfare of all Canadians with out placing all the blame on those who did not design the system or policy they live under.
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May 13, 2019 | 07:39 38
Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
The Vatican has lots of money to pay for their past wrongs . It in no way ever fall onto today’s tax payers that had zero to do with any of those issues.
That’s my take , like it or don’t , but it is certainly not my financial responsibility for any of their issues , ever .
Precisely. Reply With Quote
May 13, 2019 | 12:08 39 People like Chuck are the problem for our current situation.
Chuck has lower standards for a group of people unfortunately and figures a group of people based on race aren’t capable of following the laws of the country.

We need to treat all humans equal and make everyone accountable for their own actions. Reply With Quote
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  • May 14, 2019 | 06:36 40 Already said that whoever commits a crime that they need to be held accountable. So you can put that idea to rest.

    I am glad you are in favour of equity for all, because by many measures first nations are not treated equally or have the same standard of living in this country as the majority of other Canadians. And that is a big part of the reason why social problems and crime are a problem for many first nations communities. Poverty, racism, isolation and a lack of opportunity define the lives of many first nations.

    But in the mind of some, it is just easier to blame them for everything and take no responsibility or acknowledge the system and conditions they live under. Reply With Quote
    May 14, 2019 | 07:04 41 Or maybe chuck 2 they should get up and out of bed like the rest of society and get their ass to work. Reply With Quote
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  • May 14, 2019 | 07:29 42
    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack View Post
    Or maybe chuck 2 they should get up and out of bed like the rest of society and get their ass to work.
    That is the only problem they have? LMAO! You are part the problem. Reply With Quote
    May 14, 2019 | 08:00 43 They need to overthrow their chiefs, band leaders , fsin, etc, etc so some of the billions we are throwing at them makes it to the people that need it , your way isnt working
    An aquiantence was doing an audit for the notorious band in nw sask years ago . They were having their band meetings in las vegas . Yea , its all good Reply With Quote
    May 14, 2019 | 08:21 44 Colin Craig, Prairie director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, describes Chief Spence’s pay as “quite high.”

    “Especially when you consider she serves a pretty small community, yet she makes more than the mayors of Thunder Bay and North Bay, Ontario. Ultimately, when cases of high salaries for aboriginal politicians arise, that means there is less money to help the grassroots,” Mr. Craig said.

    The First Nation, where about 1,800 people live on reserve, is no stranger to scrutiny. A housing crisis in 2011 triggered a state of emergency and Prime Minister Stephen Harper accused the band of mismanaging its finances.

    A subsequent audit looking at how $100-million in federal dollars had been spent highlighted questionable spending practices, some of which occurred under the helm of Chief Spence. Reply With Quote
    May 14, 2019 | 09:14 45
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    They need to overthrow their chiefs, band leaders , fsin, etc, etc so some of the billions we are throwing at them makes it to the people that need it , your way isnt working
    An aquiantence was doing an audit for the notorious band in nw sask years ago . They were having their band meetings in las vegas . Yea , its all good
    The Canola Council has a chief? WTF?
    When did this happen? Reply With Quote
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  • May 14, 2019 | 09:29 46
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    They need to overthrow their chiefs, band leaders , fsin, etc, etc so some of the billions we are throwing at them makes it to the people that need it , your way isnt working
    An aquiantence was doing an audit for the notorious band in nw sask years ago . They were having their band meetings in las vegas . Yea , its all good

    Lots of money going to reserves but as Case says, the cream is siphoned off and never gets to be used on intended purpose. Indian Act - out! Reply With Quote
    May 14, 2019 | 11:24 47 Harper had that on the books , was gonna make those crooked pricks answer for some money but chucks man struck it down when he got in . He sure didnt want anyone looking into any elected officials finances Reply With Quote

  • May 15, 2019 | 07:37 48 There are corrupt and self serving band leaders and they need to be reigned in, but to say they all are corrupt is just wrong.

    Corruption and conflicts of interests occur at all levels of governments starting at RMs, towns, cities, provincial and federal governments. A lot of RM councilors don't understand the conflict of interest guidelines. They are your neighbors and fellow farmers!

    Bill Boyd and the GTH is an example of corruption at a high level. Does that make all Sask Party MLAs corrupt?

    If corruption is such a big issue for you how is it so many Sask Party supporters continue to condone or ignore the obvious corruption and dirty deals of Bill Boyd and Brad Wall? Not much complaining or accountability when your guys are in power! Lets complain about the Indian Bands instead! LOL Reply With Quote
    May 15, 2019 | 12:18 49 Shit , everyone on here complained about billy boy ???
    Probably one of the most crooked politicians ever
    Not sure about brad but i know he didnt do much for sask
    Sure didnt leave us the legacy that mr devine did
    Brad did change the attitude of sk from a bunch of jealous leftards to the progressive province it is today, that like to see buisnesses and people thrive, and mine and yourkids dont have to go west to live anymore , gotta give him that Reply With Quote

  • May 17, 2019 | 06:49 50 If you expect first nations to be accountable, you better make sure Sask Party government is also accountable. If you are not prepared to stop electing the Sask Party who turns a blind eye towards corruption and dirty deals then what right do you have to criticize first nations corruption? It's a double standard. Reply With Quote

  • May 17, 2019 | 22:44 51 yea too bad they weren't honest like honest justin
    FFS give me a break Reply With Quote
    May 17, 2019 | 23:09 52
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    If you expect first nations to be accountable, you better make sure Sask Party government is also accountable. If you are not prepared to stop electing the Sask Party who turns a blind eye towards corruption and dirty deals then what right do you have to criticize first nations corruption? It's a double standard.
    That’s the point ... the majority here have called out the corruption of Bill Boyd and Co .
    The absolute problem is how you completely refuse to admit there is massive corruption and lack of accountability of tax payer dollars on First Nations . As was said , Harper simply wanted accountability to the millions and millions and millions of tax payers money that disappears into First Nations for nothing .... and you continue to even remotely acknowledge it... all you do is blame everyone else for their issues ... it’s so ***in strange .. Reply With Quote
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  • May 18, 2019 | 07:13 53 Produce the evidence that there is massive corruption and no accountability on first nations. A few high profile cases dose not make them all bad.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/first-nations-fiscal-accountability-dropped-after-liberals-cut-enforcement-measure-at-end-of-2015

    "The National Post reviewed all the filings published online by INAC for the fiscal year that ended March 31, 2016 and found that, of the approximately 580 First Nations required to file financial documents, 496 had done so as of Jan. 2, 2017. That represents a compliance rate of about 85 per cent.

    By comparison, for the previous fiscal year, when the enforcement provision was in effect, 534 bands filed their papers for a 92 cent compliance rate. And in fiscal 2014, the compliance rate was 90 per cent.

    It is unclear, though, who is at fault for the increased rate of non-compliance.

    The FNFTA puts an obligation on both a First Nation and on the federal government to make financial information available.

    Under the legislation, the First Nation has 120 days from the end of its fiscal year to get its audited statements to INAC, which is required to publish those documents on its website as soon as they are received." Reply With Quote
    May 18, 2019 | 10:04 54
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Produce the evidence that there is massive corruption and no accountability on first nations. A few high profile cases dose not make them all bad.
    received."
    Don’t just look, chuck. But SEE.

    Native women are routinely beaten and killed and maimed and bullied. The RCMP did a study about the cause, and who the perps were. Conclusion: Majority were native men who killed and beat their own women.

    Women have no property rights on the reserve. The Chiefs on the reserve are mostly men. Men are bigger and stronger. Boys emulate their fathers/male figures. Native men dominate native women.

    Canadian White men are amongst the finest human beings you will find in earth. They work hard. Protect their families. Create wealth. Don’t even try to denigrate them. You come across as incredibly stupid.

    Compare how Jewish children coped with WW2 genocide Jewish parents were beaten. Roasted. Tortured. Experimented upon. Their parents’ bones piled in unmarked graves by people who hated them. Today, those children they excel in the world. Their family units are strong. They are educated. Create wealth. They didn’t give up rather, they began building again; and are a remarkable marker for what humans can do after enduring being in a state of turmoil and subjected to outsiders’ depravity. Salute them.

    Salute white Canadian men


    Facts. Deal with them.
    Pars.
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  • May 19, 2019 | 08:52 55 Provide some evidence to back up your claims.

    Your simplistic broad generalizations border on white supremacy ideology.

    A lot of those "superior" white men also abuse and murder their spouses and girl friends. Saskatchewan has some of the highest domestic abuse rates in Canada and they are not all first nation cases.

    Comparing the experiences of jews and first nations has one thing in common, they both experienced large scale genocide. In both cases the the perpetrators were mostly white Europeans.

    I will leave it to the sociologists to describe in detail why Jewish people are more successful in Canada.

    But they weren't put on reserves, stripped of their land, culture, children, language, religion, and their ability to succeed economically. I wonder if any of that could have impacted them?

    Not to mention that first nations were in the stone age at the time white settlers arrived while jewish people were part of the much more technologically and educationally advanced European societies. Plus, jewish people aside from their religion, look no different than other white Europeans.

    You don't think skin colour and racism might also be impacting the success and well being of first nations?

    Of course you don't think that because you have never experienced it as a white "superior" woman.

    In your mind I am sure it is easier just to blame first nations for all their problems and accept no responsibilty.
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