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Apr 14, 2019 | 10:46 1 Some food for thought in here.

http://https://medium.com/@travis.dg.benson/16-reasons-to-vote-for-the-ndp-even-if-you-dont-want-to-a25ff21b8a91?fbclid=IwAR3gXH6-DNzSaNrD_y4q4Lg8NZ3LUTOPcgxUdByRfKwLIqI_ABZZjK1P7n M

Times are changing - even in Alberta as a 4th generation rancher also runs for the NDP. Again some good points in here even if you don't agree with his choice of party.

http://https://www.producer.com/2019/04/alberta-rancher-defies-history-to-run-for-ndp/?source=sharetools&fbclid=IwAR0vxjLDmuD4AesQ-lE3Xp2trJuenpj_QS_zwMmvy-qfuHRe9uCogg3Twmk Reply With Quote
Apr 14, 2019 | 11:55 2 Haha that's so funny Mr. Grass farmer. I read all the 16 reasons and it is nothing more than socialist propaganda.

It is funny how the socialists like to call everyone they disagree with a Nazi when translated it was the National Socialist Party or The German Workers Party. Scratch a socialist and you find an Anti-Semite.

I don't think Jason Kenny is the very best candidate but would pick his party over the NDP any day! Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 12:12 3 Grassfarmer you do amaze me sometimes. First off we do not pay among the lowest carbon tax in Canada. In fact we pay the second highest in Canada only excided by B.C. As for overtime if I understand the UCP policy correctly they are going to allow you to bank overtime hours or collect overtime if you wish. With seasonal jobs it would be beneficial to bank your hours to collect pay over a longer time period. When I have more time I will attempt to read it all. Looks like a lot of factually incorrect info to me. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 12:20 4 OMG, you scare me. Grew up and still live in Sakatchewan. Remember the days of Tommy Douglas. Allen Blakeney . Roy Romanow and all their policies to nationalize everything they touched. Be very careful what you wish for! Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 12:24 5 Thanks Grass, now my coffee is all over my keyboard.

    But I will say this. Any party that ends corporate welfare with a pledge to be small business friendly and not break the bank would be worth a look. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 12:26 6 Hmmm, the article states the conservatives spent the $11 billion dollar heritage fund. It's value in 2014 was $17.5 billion dollars, latest report I could find for 2018 put its value at $17.6 billion. Certainly obvious that the NDP has not added to the heritage fund but don't let facts get in the way of your outlook GF. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 12:38 7 4 yrs ago Ab debt stood at $10b. By 2023 by the time Kenny can get a real handle on it, it will be 10 times that number. That's all on the NDP. They spent and taxed like drunken sailors when the economy tanked. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 13:14 8 I will try to explain it grass , you see , anyone who lived the lost years in sask , can never go back to the NDP. it was unbelievable , as said on here , at eighteen , we all headed west . if you wanted to farm , you had to compete against land bank , who were paying a ridiculous price . all the land bank was then rented to devout ndpers for not much more than he taxes . it was a terrible time in sask when population was lost to the west . there was very little work unless you were an NDP and worked for the govt .
    interestingly enough , I think Rachel has really learned a lot and is a very good stateswoman . she has learned that you need industry and wealth creation to fund social programs . she has also learned that Ottawa doesn't give a shit about the west and in fact hates and loathes us and that no amount of ass kissing will get her anywhere . it is truly a waste that she is leading that useless party . you had to grow up here in tge 70's&80's to understand how bad it was in sask Reply With Quote

  • Apr 14, 2019 | 13:59 9 I got stumped before I could think of 16 reasons.

    1 you work for the government
    2 you work in a union (which includes most of #1)
    3 You don't work at all. (which is almost the same as #1, except without the pretext of pretending to be productive)
    4 you are a bitter, disaffected ex pat Scottish beef farmer
    5. You do whatever the NFU tells you to do
    6 You are economically illiterate (see #1 and 5)
    7. You are scientifically illiterate (see #1 and 5)
    8 You are just completely illiterate
    9 Your only connection to the outside world is the CBC. Reply With Quote

  • Apr 14, 2019 | 14:00 10 Nobody can say they dislike Notley like they can about Trudeau, she just lacks experience in a functional economy. She didn't virtue signal like a fool or anything like that. But the tenets of capitalism are lost on her. I think she would make a great leader in another area like tourism or something like that. She should still have a place in the alberta story. So even though she ran the budget up and couldn't spot the drop in revenues coming in and adjust accordingly, I don't wish her any ill will.

    During the NDP yrs in Sask, I first moved away from my home town because there was no future there farming or otherwise so dad sent me to the big city regina. Well after I got my degree finished, the NDP had gutted the entire province and had to move again to Calgary to find work.
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 14:03 11 Most of the ambitious Young people were running out of this province under the NDP unless they were born into a union family ,you know the ones that bleed the rest of society.
    The NDP here had zero vision for future growth in anything , it was 99% just union jobs . Jobs were every one is equal and even the lazy can get as good as pay as the ones who bust their ass. There was very little future here for those who wanted to do better in life . So the population was stagnant to even declining as all the progressive youth went to Alberta and B.C. .

    So in short , one reason not to vote NDP .... give our kids a chance at decent life and not just a me too future . Reply With Quote

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    Apr 14, 2019 | 14:06 12 What a pile of socialist dog crap. I only made it half way through and I was reminded why I am voting to fire the NDP. Will hold nose and vote for Kenny even though I would rather vote for the Freedom Conservatives or Alberta Independence. We are in a swing riding so my vote counts this time. One part of the article is true though, there is almost no private sector enterprise left in Canuckistan. The part about do you know anyone who works for the public sector or any contractors who depend on government contracts. The economy is 75% government in this country and that is why it is done. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 14:29 13 For Grass Farmer and all you NDP Voters,

    Ask yourself is Rachel Notley just disingenuous or a plain fraud.



    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/vivian-krause-rachel-notley-the-rockefellers-and-albertas-landlocked-oil/wcm/646e2c9a-5eef-4199-815a-b1733bd4f4c0 Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 19:13 14 1. As far as LGBTQ, Jason Kenney has said he fully supports GSA's but that he believes that under certain circumstances parents have the right to know if their kids are in a GSA, something that is not allowed under Bill 24.

    2. This same boogeyman was raised about the Harper government and no legislation was ever tabled to limit women's access to abortions.

    3. First off no government has accumulated government debt as fast as the present NDP government. Would the Prentiss government run a deficit, no doubt in my mind. As far as the personal tax rate Jason Kenney has said the progressive rate will not be changed until the budget is balanced.

    4. NDP massively cut government budgets? Is this person serious? Total spending has increased every year at higher than forecast rates. The electricity balancing pool now has over a $2 billion dollar deficit thanks to NDP mismanagement on this file. They just eliminated private drivers licence testing and it is now all government employees. Wait times are already 3 weeks and increasing. There is no doubt that the alleged kamikaze campaign with Jeff Calloway was a lapse in judgement but looking back at the leadership campaign I voted for who I thought was best suited to lead the party and don't remember what Jeff Calloway said having any influence.

    5&6. Realistically most people I know working in the oil industry who still have jobs have taken large pay cuts and reduced hours. Public sector certainly not.

    Will continue when time permits. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 21:01 15 So there does seem to be some grudging admiration of the job Notley has done with the hand she was dealt, even among posters here. As the fellow in the other link commented “I firmly believe that if Rachel Notley was a conservative male running this government, that we would all be talking about the best conservative government in a generation or two.”
    I've never voted NDP and I don't agree with some of the things Notley has done but we've got to get past this idea that you can't elect a politician of X party because of what a politician of the same party did several decades ago in a different province. You've got to be able to look at their platforms and see what they are doing now and promising in the future. If any of you read the second link about the rancher running for the NDP you'd see he has been 10 years developing a program where landowners get paid for their carbon sequestering ag activities and has the AB Environment minister ready to act on it. Surely that is something most of you would support? but no it's the NDP they did something we didn't like in SK in the 70s.
    Sheer obviously taps into this backward thinking vein to gain support but got caught in another whoopsie according to this:
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    Apr 14, 2019 | 21:05 16 He is running in my riding. He will get obliterated. It won’t even be close. . That being said I am getting worried about the overall election. I think Ndp is getting the vote out. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 21:22 17
    Quote Originally Posted by vvalk View Post
    He is running in my riding. He will get obliterated. It won’t even be close...
    Likely so, but the fact a rancher of his capability is running is progress in itself. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 21:32 18 UCP seems to be a fitting acronym for the Unlimited Corruption Party. As Kenney, who got elected by rigging the vote to beat Jean, stands by his candidate Singh who was investigated for trying to buy off his own fellow nomination candidates and just had his business raided by the RCMP. What a shower! Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 22:33 19
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    1. As far as LGBTQ, Jason Kenney has said he fully supports GSA's but that he believes that under certain circumstances parents have the right to know if their kids are in a GSA, something that is not allowed under Bill 24.

    2. This same boogeyman was raised about the Harper government and no legislation was ever tabled to limit women's access to abortions.

    3. First off no government has accumulated government debt as fast as the present NDP government. Would the Prentiss government run a deficit, no doubt in my mind. As far as the personal tax rate Jason Kenney has said the progressive rate will not be changed until the budget is balanced.

    4. NDP massively cut government budgets? Is this person serious? Total spending has increased every year at higher than forecast rates. The electricity balancing pool now has over a $2 billion dollar deficit thanks to NDP mismanagement on this file. They just eliminated private drivers licence testing and it is now all government employees. Wait times are already 3 weeks and increasing. There is no doubt that the alleged kamikaze campaign with Jeff Calloway was a lapse in judgement but looking back at the leadership campaign I voted for who I thought was best suited to lead the party and don't remember what Jeff Calloway said having any influence.

    5&6. Realistically most people I know working in the oil industry who still have jobs have taken large pay cuts and reduced hours. Public sector certainly not.

    Will continue when time permits.
    #3 who gave the present saleries to the civl service,not the NDs, the cons did all that, who left leaving the bill on the table for the NDs to pick up,some one had to pay that the cons.
    #4 the cons left the elec industry in a snafu after the attempt at deregulation that turned into reregulation. If your name isnt sing,gill or something you probably had to wait anyway while others were fast tracked.for a drivers lisesnse.
    #5/6 No one I know in the public sector was making the kind of money the oil workers were,Klause defending 1500/day men because they work outside in cold and cant sleep in own beds. Teens just out of school driving co pickups at $40/hr, the oil patch colapsed under their own weight worldwide, they had to drop wages,dont see how the gov had a hand in that unless you count on the pipeline the cons never built in 44 yrs and now the NDs are supose to have done in4 YRs.

    I know I will never convince any one that only deals with ideaology not real data but 2 more sleeps and we can all crow or cry,am interested in outcome the gov keeps pluging along,it is not affected by world affairs.

    As for honesty in the party nominations it is scandalus if the Nds did some of those things I can just imagine the crocadile tears you all would be shedding, Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 23:42 20 And, horse came along just in time to prove my point number eight. Not sure why illiteracy and socialism are so intricately connected, but the atrocious spelling and grammar are evidence enough. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 15, 2019 | 06:22 21
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    And, horse came along just in time to prove my point number eight. Not sure why illiteracy and socialism are so intricately connected, but the atrocious spelling and grammar are evidence enough.
    So SF3 is clearly a socialist then? - I guess he just confirmed it by liking your post AF5 lol.
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    Apr 15, 2019 | 06:46 22
    Quote Originally Posted by lesmt View Post
    OMG, you scare me. Grew up and still live in Sakatchewan. Remember the days of Tommy Douglas. Allen Blakeney . Roy Romanow and all their policies to nationalize everything they touched. Be very careful what you wish for!
    I will second this statement. I am a 4th generation SK boy, and you Albertan's need to get rid of the NDP ASAP ! Sorry , but they will not do your province anything but give you higher taxes and force people to leave your province. All you have to do is ask us over here in Sask. what they did for us, it's not hard to do.

    What we need to do is cut off all transfer payments to Ontario and Quebec , regardless of laws, and legislation and maybe then we can get our country back on track again. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 15, 2019 | 07:03 23
    Quote Originally Posted by GALAXIE500 View Post
    I will second this statement. I am a 4th generation SK boy, and you Albertan's need to get rid of the NDP ASAP ! Sorry , but they will not do your province anything but give you higher taxes and force people to leave your province. All you have to do is ask us over here in Sask. what they did for us, it's not hard to do.

    What we need to do is cut off all transfer payments to Ontario and Quebec , regardless of laws, and legislation and maybe then we can get our country back on track again.
    Yes that was scarey alright but we re headed in either extreme. We have the other side bought and paid for by the oil industry which is an industry whether we admit it or not is not he future of mainstream energy. We are putting all our eggs in one basket and we ve seen how that works out even with 120 barrel oil. The farmers of the country end up paying the bill for the losses due to that all in one basket mentality.
    Tech and manufacturing are the future we should be creating an business environment where it’s favourable for those sectors to thrive. Instead we have the carbon nuts on one side and the oil is everything bought off nuts on the other. Us people in the middle are paying for both of those extremes to exist. We re brainwashed as a group. Reply With Quote
    Apr 15, 2019 | 07:08 24 And nobody should forget what they did to the hospitals in this province. Shut down the one dedicated to rural south sask and put up a new one in Saskatoon city core. Now Stoon has 4 bloody hospitals and Regina has two ancient ones barely holding together. Plus dozens of other smaller centers gutted for what? Romanow should be in federal prison. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 15, 2019 | 07:11 25
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    And nobody should forget what they did to the hospitals in this province. Shut down the one dedicated to rural south sask and put up a new one in Saskatoon city core. Now Stoon has 4 bloody hospitals and Regina has two ancient ones barely holding together. Plus dozens of other smaller centers gutted for what? Romanow should be in federal prison.
    Ahh the Union vote ... they just pandered to their voter base . No different than what JT is currently doing . Reply With Quote
    Apr 15, 2019 | 07:12 26
    Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
    Tech and manufacturing are the future we should be creating an business environment where it’s favourable for those sectors to thrive. Instead we have the carbon nuts on one side and the oil is everything bought off nuts on the other. Us people in the middle are paying for both of those extremes to exist. We re brainwashed as a group.

    Wheel you are dead wrong. Tech and manufacturing are not our future. Those get outsourced to cheaper locations and will eventually automated. We just watched it for the last 25 yrs. Resources are our future because we have them, other don't and they are labour intensive so unlikely to be disrupted and they cant be outsourced to some guy in india, nor are foreign workers likley to come in here and work in the brutal conditions. Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Apr 15, 2019 | 07:13 27 Name:  57008988_10156973046076093_4357725302294577152_o.jpg
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    Saskatchewan people know what years of NDP does to a province.

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    Apr 15, 2019 | 07:22 28 [QUOTE=jazz;408110]Wheel you are dead wrong. Tech and manufacturing are not our future. Those get outsourced to cheaper locations and will eventually automated. We just watched it for the last 25 yrs. Resources are our future because we have them, other don't and they are labour intensive so unlikely to be disrupted and they cant be outsourced to some guy in india, nor are foreign workers likley to come in here and work in the brutal conditions.[/

    A balanced approach yes. But all in to an industry that is not the future is beyond dumb.
    As far as tech goes I m not talking about making a cheaper can opener. I m talking about efficient electrical engines, computer systems etc. One of the biggest reasons we can’t develop many other industries is our energy costs. We ve been brainwashed into thinking high energy cost is good price of oil!! Lol how dumb. That only takes away from all the other things we should be doing. A more sustainable forest industry clean water etc etc. Those will be the demand of the future and you will need better tech to see it improve. Reply With Quote
    Apr 15, 2019 | 07:32 29
    Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
    A balanced approach yes. But all in to an industry that is not the future is beyond dumb.
    As far as tech goes I m not talking about making a cheaper can opener. I m talking about efficient electrical engines, computer systems etc. One of the biggest reasons we can’t develop many other industries is our energy costs. We ve been brainwashed into thinking high energy cost is good price of oil!! Lol how dumb. That only takes away from all the other things we should be doing. A more sustainable forest industry clean water etc etc. Those will be the demand of the future and you will need better tech to see it improve.

    if you mean tech applied to resource extraction and sustainability, I am 100% in agreement. Not the other kind like social media, chips and phones and robotics. We will not compete in that space nor should we try.

    There is no place on the planet that has the abundance of resource riches that we do. Not a single one and we are going to f it up with out SJW navel gazing stupidity. We have every major resource in spades plus 10% of the worlds water, a boreal forest bigger than the amazon. Our biggest deficit is smart people. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 15, 2019 | 07:33 30 [QUOTE=Horse;408100]#3 who gave the present saleries to the civl service,not the NDs, the cons did all that, who left leaving the bill on the table for the NDs to pick up,some one had to pay that the cons.
    #4 the cons left the elec industry in a snafu after the attempt at deregulation that turned into reregulation. If your name isnt sing,gill or something you probably had to wait anyway while others were fast tracked.for a drivers lisesnse.


    Horse read the article in the Financial Post: "Albertans are about to find out just how messy and expensive kicking the coal habit can be". This will explain how the NDP's decisions cost the taxpayer $2.3 billion!

    As for drivers testing we went from private testing where testers worked 6 days a week 8-6 to provincial employees working 5 days a week 8-5. Now we taxpayers pay their benefits including a company vehicle plus the cost of the test is the same. And now there a waiting lists where there wasn't before. Reply With Quote