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Apr 14, 2019 | 07:03 1 climate change or illegal immigration? And if you deny climate change is happening, does that mean you condone illegal immigration? An article in today's NYT says 28% of the Hondurans in last year's caravan were farms/farm workers and climate change was one of the reasons they were trying to sneak into US. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/13/w...d=509750830414 Reply With Quote
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  • SASKFARMER3's Avatar Apr 14, 2019 | 07:39 2 Something about the above comment has me concerned.

    I would have to ask a few simple questions.

    One was in the USA are these poor migrants going to be able to afford more than an inch of land. Have you priced out the cost of an acre of land in the USA?

    Second climate change is happening and destroying were they come from.

    Ah, I'm sitting on my front deck and can't believe in three weeks every single thing I pruned has grown back. I'm roughly the same area just on the north side not south of where these people come from.

    So again just how stupid are people to believe this bullshit. Just asking for a friend. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 07:42 3 The bigger problem is the people endorsing climate change ...like Trudeau ....do more harm flying around than the people ....like farmers who do things to make it better....


    Trudeau has flown a lot of miles in the last month....and he doesn't even pay a carbon tax on his free taxpayer funded trips....the carbon tax alone on his trips would exceed 10000 dollars.....why does he get an advance from his trust fund to pay it.....
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    Apr 14, 2019 | 07:44 4
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    climate change or illegal immigration?
    Neither, I deny both. We have had all the same disease issues here years ago. Rust has devastated crops in the north too. Our methods of farming have reduced these diseases as well as diversifying into other crops.

    But some of the guys may be suited for US orchards and plantations so why not apply as a temp seasonal worker.

    There have always been disasters everywhere but what keeps us ahead of the game is our technological progress. I doubt Honduras went through a decade of blowing dirt like our grandparents did in the 30s.
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 08:03 5 You addressed virtually this same question on the dairy farmer thread.

    “Most coffee farmers live with less than $2 per day and grow coffee in areas below two hectares for a total production lesser than 6 bags, 360Kg kilograms of coffee per year.”

    https://thecoffee.blog/all/market/how-coffee-price-below-1-00-affect-coffee-farmers/

    The question should read: What is your government currently using to scare you and how effective is it.

    My vote goes to Climate Change.

    I think the climate will have near 0 effect on my short life but Government climate programs will sap away my lifestyle. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 08:19 6 Climate change or forcing farmers into even more poverty with bad government policies? Hmmmmm Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 08:34 7
    Quote Originally Posted by shtferbrains View Post

    My vote goes to Climate Change.

    I think the climate will have near 0 effect on my short life but Government climate programs will sap away my lifestyle.
    I am not worried about my lifestyle ....its my kids that Trudeau is fucking with....Trudeau's kids are well taken care of on either topic.....immigrants for daycare and grandpa's oil money for the trust fund kids... Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 09:15 8
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post

    Ah, I'm sitting on my front deck and can't believe in three weeks every single thing I pruned has grown back. I'm roughly the same area just on the north side not south of where these people come from.

    So again just how stupid are people to believe this bullshit. Just asking for a friend.
    Same area??? Honduras is at 15 degrees NORTH or roughly 1000 miles north of the equator. The southern border of the prairies is 49 degrees NORTH or roughly 3400 miles north of the equator.
    In what way do you consider Saskatchewan the same area as "where these people come from"? Are your Saskatchewan coffee crops failing too?

    You do illustrate your point very well about stupid people.
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 09:43 9
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    You do illustrate your point very well about stupid people.
    Every Canadian farmer has had a crop failure of one type or another. Maybe they should learn to code which is what we are told when we have problems.

    Whats your solution dml? Anyone who is experiencing climate change or persecution or war or poverty in their own country should be stuffed in here? Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 10:19 10
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    Same area??? Honduras is at 15 degrees NORTH or roughly 1000 miles north of the equator. The southern border of the prairies is 49 degrees NORTH or roughly 3400 miles north of the equator.
    In what way do you consider Saskatchewan the same area as "where these people come from"? Are your Saskatchewan coffee crops failing too?

    You do illustrate your point very well about stupid people.
    I might be out on a limb here but he mentioned the oarnge trees that were pruned. Could it be he is talking about florida 🤨 Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 10:26 11
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    Same area??? Honduras is at 15 degrees NORTH or roughly 1000 miles north of the equator. The southern border of the prairies is 49 degrees NORTH or roughly 3400 miles north of the equator.
    In what way do you consider Saskatchewan the same area as "where these people come from"? Are your Saskatchewan coffee crops failing too?

    You do illustrate your point very well about stupid people.
    I'm guessing fakefarmer3 was speaking from one of his numerous holiday properties around the world?

    Farmers have been moving off the land for centuries, moving to the cities, new locations or to different jobs as agriculture falls into less and less hands. Migration of people is not new it's being going on for thousands of years, fluctuating over the years with crisis in various areas of the world driving it. Famine, drought, war, political crisis. The effects of climate change are certainly a driver of increased global migration at the moment and not for the first time an increase in migration leads to an increase in calls to curtail it by affluent people in the destination countries. The issues of climate change and mass migration are definitely connected, both are real and both are occurring. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 10:45 12
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    climate change or illegal immigration? And if you deny climate change is happening, does that mean you condone illegal immigration? An article in today's NYT says 28% of the Hondurans in last year's caravan were farms/farm workers and climate change was one of the reasons they were trying to sneak into US. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/13/w...d=509750830414
    So similar to the collapse of the Maya civilization and others of South America before the Spanish arrived? And before fossil fuels? Because that is accurately documented. So yes it has happened well before fossil fuels all over the world actually. Human activity has had to deal with climate change all throughout history.
    Most natural cycles with some of it compounded by excessive local human populations and the resulting local deterioration of environmental conditions.
    All before fossil fuels and carbon tax .
    Also earthquakes, and mostly volcanoes 🌋 did a lot of the climate change beside natural changes and cycles . Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 11:06 13 Furrow , couldnt agree more . Climate change is real , been happening since the beginning of this earth and will be here long after mankind is gone . Imagine how hot the earth was when there were palm trees in the artctic. I am worried about our oceans though . Wished they could stop the polluting all over the world Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 11:36 14 When you dont have merit based immigration it becomes a real problem. 90,000 plus a month trying to enter the u.s. now. Most have no intention to live any different than they did where they came from. Eventually these different groups will fight for supremacy in their new land. History will tell you that. I've got nothing against immigration but there will come a time when there will be a war over culture and religion. Its inevitable. People are coming here en masse that have different ideologies and religions. They cant tolerate things in their native countries but they let us believe that they will change if they can come to Canada and the U.S. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 11:54 15
    Quote Originally Posted by sk_wheatking View Post
    When you dont have merit based immigration it becomes a real problem. 90,000 plus a month trying to enter the u.s. now. Most have no intention to live any different than they did where they came from. Eventually these different groups will fight for supremacy in their new land. History will tell you that. I've got nothing against immigration but there will come a time when there will be a war over culture and religion. Its inevitable. People are coming here en masse that have different ideologies and religions. They cant tolerate things in their native countries but they let us believe that they will change if they can come to Canada and the U.S.
    Agree
    That will eventually, not far off btw, collapse the US economy. There is no way any country can economically sustain that kind of of burden.
    Controlled immigration is healthy , uncontrolled immigration is a national economic suicide .
    Said it before , watch France , Sweden, Germany..... their cultures and economies are collapsing or will be shortly. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 12:08 16 The idea that the US is being swamped by immigrants is rather overplayed considering the percentage of immigrants is still under 14% of the overall population. 14 out of a 100 really isn't that huge.
    The figure in Canada is around 20% and we are managing just fine. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 12:27 17 The Honduran people are in Honduras because of climate change that happened 10,000 yrs ago. Guess they will try to migrate back across the Bering Sea, or stop in for some social benefits along the way. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 12:30 18
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    Furrow , couldnt agree more . Climate change is real , been happening since the beginning of this earth and will be here long after mankind is gone . Imagine how hot the earth was when there were palm trees in the artctic. I am worried about our oceans though . Wished they could stop the polluting all over the world

    I always wondered about that garbage patch in the pacific. I mean my trash all goes to landfill and so does most of the first world so how is it getting out there? Are people dumping it in the oceans, or are people living too close to the water and rogue waves and Tsunamis grabbing their stuff and taking them out to sea.

    Might not be getting the full story on that one. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 12:56 19
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    The idea that the US is being swamped by immigrants is rather overplayed
    Yes, maybe for you, but tell that to the people who are being affected by it directly. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 14:46 20 Great friend of mine is a missionary in Honduras.

    There is no problem with climate change in that country. Bunch of bunk.

    Again.

    Just like the polar bear fake stories, and the north is warming faster issue. The alarmists pick places few of us have experience with, and can not easily refute, because we don’t live there. They make claims that are absolutely false.

    But ask the locals, and they will call it bunk. Just like when all winter, whenever there is an alarmist piece in the news, I simply go to the weather forecast of the supposed hot spot, look at the current weather, and easily refute the bs they are trying to sell us all.

    Am I the only one who does a bit of digging? Sheesh. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 14:52 21 Love alarmist articles like that.

    I guess I should have left the country when I was drowned out due to climate change for a decade.

    There are many reasons to leave Honduras. None of them have a thing to do with climate change. I will have to call my friend in the morning and see how he sees it. Lol Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 14:59 22
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepwheat View Post
    Great friend of mine is a missionary in Honduras.

    There is no problem with climate change in that country. Bunch of bunk.

    Again.

    Just like the polar bear fake stories, and the north is warming faster issue. The alarmists pick places few of us have experience with, and can not easily refute, because we don’t live there. They make claims that are absolutely false.

    But ask the locals, and they will call it bunk. Just like when all winter, whenever there is an alarmist piece in the news, I simply go to the weather forecast of the supposed hot spot, look at the current weather, and easily refute the bs they are trying to sell us all.

    Am I the only one who does a bit of digging? Sheesh.
    Absolutely right. I have been there , going back next march. The only problem they have there is the govt , gangs and the economy .the same road we are heading down . Some of the nicest people i have met. Would fit in here real good Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 15:03 23
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I always wondered about that garbage patch in the pacific. I mean my trash all goes to landfill and so does most of the first world so how is it getting out there? Are people dumping it in the oceans, or are people living too close to the water and rogue waves and Tsunamis grabbing their stuff and taking them out to sea.

    Might not be getting the full story on that one.
    I am always amazed how close some countries pile their garbage to the oceans . I think the oceans used to take care of a lot of it but unfortunately they cant handle any more. For those of us who love the oceans its really hard to watch Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 16:15 24
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    climate change or illegal immigration? ....... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/13/w...d=509750830414
    So the NYT sez people are leaving central America because of Glowbull Warming. What does the statement even mean? Do they expect us to believe that if you randomly questioned people in those caravans they'd say "we left home because climate change"? Most of them have never even heard about Glowbull Warming. Maybe the NYT means that they're too stupid to know why they set out to walk 500 miles. They're poor - they've heard from family in the US that its easy to get in - its really that simple. WhatsApp and Facebook have infinitely more to do with their trip than Glowbull Warming. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 16:36 25
    Quote Originally Posted by sk_wheatking View Post
    Yes, maybe for you, but tell that to the people who are being affected by it directly.
    That's the funny thing - you'd think the people in Texas border towns would be up in arms but they aren't. It's well documented that the people furthest from the border, and least affected, are the ones making the biggest fuss - the people in Montana - and the Canadian prairies if you believe what we read on here. Reply With Quote
    Apr 14, 2019 | 16:56 26
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    That's the funny thing - you'd think the people in Texas border towns would be up in arms but they aren't. It's well documented that the people furthest from the border, and least affected, are the ones making the biggest fuss - the people in Montana - and the Canadian prairies if you believe what we read on here.
    Or if you believe your CNN. Reply With Quote
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 19:31 27 Grass you have no idea what you are talking about. I have a inlaws that live in small town texas. They have a gun present 24/7. they have had illegals coming into there yard, demanding food, water,theft of anything they can get their hands on, and car jacking is an on going occurance.We have a winter home in A.Z.And before you flame me for having a WINTER HOME in A.Z.,I will tell you strait up.....I am a senior citizen and it is wayyy cheaper to live in AZ than it is in trudope canukistan.You as a socialist, I welcome your right to Pay the way for these illegal refuges that you and trudope welcome into canada.Your money, spend it as you feel, but dont expect me to follow you down the rat hole.
    Also about illegals...While we are in az we go to los algedonas mexico for dental work and medical procedures that cannot be done in canada without being on a waiting list for months, on my dime.Any way, it was an unusually long wait at the border coming back....Asked border security why so long....He said most people were out in the field as they had already rounded up over 600 illegals and the day had just begun.That in 600 in Yuma alone.... Can you imagine how many are rounded up at other border crossings, yet alone the ones that get by border security.
    You come to Canada for a reason,and I believe that was for a better way of life for you and your family....And I believe you come here through the normal means of immigration,and paid your douse .So why is it so hard for you to think someone else should not do the same... Reply With Quote

  • Apr 14, 2019 | 20:53 28
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    That's the funny thing - you'd think the people in Texas border towns would be up in arms but they aren't. It's well documented that the people furthest from the border, and least affected, are the ones making the biggest fuss - the people in Montana - and the Canadian prairies if you believe what we read on here.
    What fukin planet are you on ??
    Anyone with a brain knows it’s a gong show along the border, and the locals are pissed but no one is allowed to report the truth anymore.
    Do you actually watch and believe CNN and MSNBC ?? It’s seems like you would be Rachel Mad Cows biggest fan .. lol .
    Why on the Fuk would anyone in their right mind promote wide open illegal immigration??? It’s mind boggling !
    It’s not our border , I could care less but as a taxpayer in a sovereign nation you would need to be mentally challenged to even think illegal immigration is even remotely ok .

    There is a handful here that actually trust these Fukin lies.....
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  • Apr 14, 2019 | 21:15 29 There was some polling done in the Texas Lyceum Poll on the immigration issue which showed:

    61% oppose a border wall versus 35% in favour.
    62% of Texans think immigration helps the US more than it hurts it, 27% think it hurts more than helps.
    The poll also found 90% of Texas adults support allowing illegal immigrants already in the country illegally to become citizens if there were strict conditions attached.

    My brother lived in Austin for a few years and has a fair handle on Texan opinions. Reply With Quote
    Apr 15, 2019 | 07:27 30 The exodus from central American
    Countries is not a result of global warming.
    The catholic church is probably
    More to blame with the irresponseable anti birth control
    Message they have been peddling
    Forever.

    The highest birth rates in the Americas are in those countries. 2to 3 times everywhere else.
    Resources stretched , poverty
    Conflict.
    Probably 80-90% catholic
    Population
    What else do we expect to happen.

    The same old who
    With no public support system .
    Who will take care
    Of me when I am old .

    So I have to have 7 kids. And God wants it too.

    The self preservation tactics of the catholic church .
    Out breed the other religions to win.

    Be dammed the consequences.

    There are consequences which the church ignores . And they are at the
    US boarders
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