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OECD... SNC-Lavalin scandal...Canada...violated international anti-bribery agreement?

Mar 12, 2019 | 03:15 1 Watched CTV roast PM Justin... saying Great Britain would refuse to use DPA on a case such as SNC... because the bribery and corruption charges are so serious... the DPA would be an inappropriate use... Great Britain has only the used DPA 3 times in history... and then only for minor breaches of criminal law... Commentator said;
DPA DOA in SNC-Lavalin scandal criminal charges.
Therefore,
The simple fact is... the PM must set aside the continuance of threatening using the DPA to stop the SNC criminal trials. THE RULE of LAW being set aside for political gain for the Liberals... is the DPA's problematic inappropriate application.


The Chinese have sanctioned Canada in numerous ways... Western Canadian Canola growers feel the heat of this political scandal raging internationally...costing us farmers and trade...jobs and serious financial hardship...

Background
National Post:
"OECD announces it is monitoring SNC-Lavalin scandal, raising prospect Canada has violated international anti-bribery agreement
'The OECD Working Group on Bribery... notes that the Canadian authorities stress that they are transparent and independent'"
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/oecd-announces-it-is-monitoring-snc-lavalin-scandal-raising-prospect-canada-has-violated-international-anti-bribery-agreement

..."As a party to the anti-bribery convention Canada is committed to requiring “prosecutorial independence in foreign bribery cases,” according to the statement. “In addition, political factors such as a country’s national economic interest and the identity of the alleged perpetrators must not influence foreign bribery investigations and prosecutions.”

If either investigation in Canada or the OECD itself were to conclude that Canada violated the convention, the group would make a series of recommendations on how to improve.“
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Mar 12, 2019 | 03:36 2 Well here is an idea just a thought. How about when people commit crimes no matter who they are or who they work for they pay the price legally. If you want to ensure people have jobs at a company lock the people up in jail that commit such crimes, publicly humiliate them so that other companies don’t do this. Instead of protecting them so that other companies think hey what the hell why not.

Outlaw campaign contributions already its legalized bribery going on everywhere which is distorting democracy. My and your vote don’t mean shit now days compared to companies that buy off political parties. Which is why we have these stupid laws in place. All large donations that have been made to political parties in the past should be played over and over on tv for several days federal and provincial and then people would realize who their governments are actually representing. Also need to go further and monitor under the table deals happening when politicians leave office.

If a company’s officials have been found guilty and the people done the time for the penalty and replaced terminated why should the company be denied applying for contracts after? Individuals have to take responsibility for their actions not hide behind large corporations and be protected just because they are big Corp.

who ever brought this corrupt law into existence should be replaced also. It’s an embarrassment for our country. Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 05:46 3 The reason other countries are paying attention is that libtards said other countries have these DPAs in their toolbox but they point out not for the SNC issues.....and I think because of the charges SNC had laid on them ...a DPA wasn't available in the first place....


    It makes other countries look stupid by using them as justification......

    And now Trudeau has some more international headlines....he likes those.... Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 05:50 4
    Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
    Well here is an idea just a thought. How about when people commit crimes no matter who they are or who they work for they pay the price legally. If you want to ensure people have jobs at a company lock the people up in jail that commit such crimes, publicly humiliate them so that other companies don’t do this. Instead of protecting them so that other companies think hey what the hell why not.

    Outlaw campaign contributions already its legalized bribery going on everywhere which is distorting democracy. My and your vote don’t mean shit now days compared to companies that buy off political parties. Which is why we have these stupid laws in place. All large donations that have been made to political parties in the past should be played over and over on tv for several days federal and provincial and then people would realize who their governments are actually representing. Also need to go further and monitor under the table deals happening when politicians leave office.

    If a company’s officials have been found guilty and the people done the time for the penalty and replaced terminated why should the company be denied applying for contracts after? Individuals have to take responsibility for their actions not hide behind large corporations and be protected just because they are big Corp.

    who ever brought this corrupt law into existence should be replaced also. It’s an embarrassment for our country.
    The Big Wheelie has finally realized that national and international opinion is swinging against the Libranos - he's changed his tune to stay with the tide!

    He's starting to come around to Harper's thinking when the Harper government put that law into place, LOL! Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 06:28 5 Tom, can you provide any evidence to link the Chinese canola dispute to the SNC Lavalin scandal? Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 07:08 6
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    The Big Wheelie has finally realized that national and international opinion is swinging against the Libranos - he's changed his tune to stay with the tide!

    He's starting to come around to Harper's thinking when the Harper government put that law into place, LOL!
    Not changing anything. All of our laws are too slack. From pot to this issue. Then we wonder why crime rates are going up. I m just telling the way it is now I m telling how I think it should be.
    All governments are doing what trudough is doing. The cons are running around so smug that he got caught and all of a sudden jwr and the other airheads are hero’s. Well just watch those heroes didn’t get enough for their causes so they squeeled. Why didn’t they leave the party? Because now they’ll get even more for their cause and cons will be wiped out. Sad but true. Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 07:21 7
    Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
    Not changing anything. All of our laws are too slack. From pot to this issue. Then we wonder why crime rates are going up. I m just telling the way it is now I m telling how I think it should be.
    All governments are doing what trudough is doing. The cons are running around so smug that he got caught and all of a sudden jwr and the other airheads are hero’s. Well just watch those heroes didn’t get enough for their causes so they squeeled. Why didn’t they leave the party? Because now they’ll get even more for their cause and cons will be wiped out. Sad but true.

    How has the the legalization of marijuana changed your life or the life of anyone around you? The Conservatives should have beat Trudeau with the deregulation. We wouldn’t have a Trudeau government now. I just heard an athlete describing how marijuana oil for pain killing is replacing opiate use in the locker rooms. Police forces have reported no increase in DUI’s nor accidents due to Marijuana. Have crime rates gone up because of legalization of Marijuana? Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 07:41 8 The justice system has often been lenient when it comes to white collar crime. If you are rich and powerful you are less likely to go to jail. If you are poor and a minority the opposite is true.

    Right here in Saskatchewan Bill Boyd and the GTH land transfer scandal are an example of alleged corruption involving a sitting government.

    No charges laid in GTH land deal investigation: RCMP

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/no-charges-laid-in-gth-land-deal-investigation-rcmp-1.4761263 Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 07:47 9 Doctors use fentanyl for pain relief when setting bones. I thought it was addictive. Very small amount, it’s cheap. Still makes me wonder. Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 07:59 10
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    The justice system has often been lenient when it comes to white collar crime. If you are rich and powerful you are less likely to go to jail. If you are poor and a minority the opposite is true.

    Right here in Saskatchewan Bill Boyd and the GTH land transfer scandal are an example of alleged corruption involving a sitting government.

    No charges laid in GTH land deal investigation: RCMP

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/no-charges-laid-in-gth-land-deal-investigation-rcmp-1.4761263
    And they will likely get re-elected....really haven't done much in 4 years...would be nice to see a little fire in the belly from our MLAs about the carbon tax on cardlock fuel....really disappointing...

    They could be showing clips where the prime minister said no carbon tax on farm fuel.... Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 08:19 11 Tom4$$$$$4Tom and Burnt

    Why did 2.0 Andrew Scheer meet on May 29, 2018 with SNC CEO Neil Bruce to discuss the DPA.

    Why is Scheer not going on record stating that there should be no DPA made available for SNC. Where are Scheer's almighty Con morals? Tom4$$$4Tom, Scheer doesn't seem to agree with your post.

    2.0 isn't using the same logic as your's for on one simple reason, Scheer doesn't want to lose votes in Quebec.

    So boys why is Scheer not on the same page. Simple answer, none of them really give a shit about anything other then getting in power! Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 08:23 12
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    Tom4$$$$$4Tom and Burnt

    Why did 2.0 Andrew Scheer meet on May 29, 2018 with SNC CEO Neil Bruce to discuss the DPA.

    Why is Scheer not going on record stating that there should be no DPA made available for SNC. Where are Scheer's almighty Con morals? Tom4$$$4Tom, Scheer doesn't seem to agree with your post.

    2.0 isn't using the same logic as your's for on one simple reason, Scheer doesn't want to lose votes in Quebec.

    So boys why is Scheer not on the same page. Simple answer, none of them really give a shit about anything other then getting in power!
    As has been pointed out they can all lobby once maybe twice to explain their case....it becomes inappropriate to continue....

    Anyone with half a brain wouldn't touch this file other than to smile politely ....

    the rest of the world is concerned where Trudeau is going with this....might be jeopardizing his gig at the UN. Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 08:40 13
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    Tom4$$$$$4Tom and Burnt

    Why did 2.0 Andrew Scheer meet on May 29, 2018 with SNC CEO Neil Bruce to discuss the DPA.

    Why is Scheer not going on record stating that there should be no DPA made available for SNC. Where are Scheer's almighty Con morals? Tom4$$$4Tom, Scheer doesn't seem to agree with your post.

    2.0 isn't using the same logic as your's for on one simple reason, Scheer doesn't want to lose votes in Quebec.

    So boys why is Scheer not on the same page. Simple answer, none of them really give a shit about anything other then getting in power!
    You know something, if you want an answer for something that somebody did, would it not make the most sense to go ask that person?

    Have you called Scheer's office to ask that question? Didn't think so.

    As far as what the Conservative are doing about it, they just might be doing the best thing possible - when your enemy is making a mistake, let him.

    The Libranos are doing a fine job of hanging themselves, so why interfere?

    And now, their corruption has attracted the unwelcome attention of OECD - it couldn't be going better for Scheer and Co., without them putting any effort into it!

    The Libranos have written the script for their own failure, and Harper's legislation worked perfectly. Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 08:57 14
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    Tom, can you provide any evidence to link the Chinese canola dispute to the SNC Lavalin scandal?
    Grassfarmer;

    How about PM Justin use a DPA to send back the Huawei executive lady directly from Vancouver to China?

    Does anyone actually believe our western Canadian Chinese Canola issue isn’t directly caused by the Huawei lady being attempted to be extradited to the US... and if President Trump is willing to consider political solutions to the Huawei problem...why would the Chinese do anything less?
    Cheers Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Mar 12, 2019 | 11:04 15
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Grassfarmer;

    How about PM Justin use a DPA to send back the Huawei executive lady directly from Vancouver to China?

    Does anyone actually believe our western Canadian Chinese Canola issue isn’t directly caused by the Huawei lady being attempted to be extradited to the US... and if President Trump is willing to consider political solutions to the Huawei problem...why would the Chinese do anything less?
    Cheers
    Huawei is suing Canadian Authorities for improper arrest procedures...can't blame them either...hope they win and she is relaesed. Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 11:27 16
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    You know something, if you want an answer for something that somebody did, would it not make the most sense to go ask that person?

    Have you called Scheer's office to ask that question? Didn't think so.

    As far as what the Conservative are doing about it, they just might be doing the best thing possible - when your enemy is making a mistake, let him.

    The Libranos are doing a fine job of hanging themselves, so why interfere?

    And now, their corruption has attracted the unwelcome attention of OECD - it couldn't be going better for Scheer and Co., without them putting any effort into it!

    The Libranos have written the script for their own failure, and Harper's legislation worked perfectly.
    Reason: Scheer is Not the man for the job. We need Ambrose or Rait and fast. Get this show on the road or we are royally screwed. Reply With Quote

  • Mar 12, 2019 | 12:21 17
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Grassfarmer;

    Does anyone actually believe our western Canadian Chinese Canola issue isn’t directly caused by the Huawei lady being attempted to be extradited to the US... and if President Trump is willing to consider political solutions to the Huawei problem...why would the Chinese do anything less?
    Cheers
    You seem confused Tom - have you been indulging in too much of the newly legalized product?
    While there clearly appears to be a link between Huawei and Canola this thread is about the SNC Lavalin scandal and your attempt to make the two issues appear as one controversy is rather strange. Maybe either prove a connection or withdraw the claim? Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 12:39 18 Everyone had a chance to vote for the leader sumdum. Did you? I did Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 14:31 19 NEW: Nanos 4 week tracking poll
    Conservatives 36.1%
    Liberals 32.9%
    NDP 17.9%
    BQ 3.6%
    Greens 8.3%
    PPC 0.5 %


    Nanos tends to always favour Liberals so it appears Scheer is doing ok. Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 16:00 20 Fake news my friend .fake news
    Libtards will educate you very soon Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 16:51 21 From one twitter account - "Not only should Justin Trudeau be prosecuted, he should be tried as an adult." Reply With Quote

  • Mar 12, 2019 | 20:37 22
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    How has the the legalization of marijuana changed your life or the life of anyone around you? The Conservatives should have beat Trudeau with the deregulation. We wouldn’t have a Trudeau government now. I just heard an athlete describing how marijuana oil for pain killing is replacing opiate use in the locker rooms. Police forces have reported no increase in DUI’s nor accidents due to Marijuana. Have crime rates gone up because of legalization of Marijuana?
    It’s not just about marijuana, the drug dealers that have lost marijuana business have switched to get kids hooked more on Chrystal meth, coccain and whatever else that’s not easily bought legally at a store. It’s a crisis in rural areas not being talked about except at schools where it’s really showing up. Not being reported the way it should be. Lots of kids bragging how mom and dad are stoned at home and are they wearing masks watching mom and dad? Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 20:48 23 Oh and no increase in dui? Do you live in Saskatchewan? Hahaha. Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 20:56 24
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    How has the the legalization of marijuana changed your life or the life of anyone around you? The Conservatives should have beat Trudeau with the deregulation. We wouldn’t have a Trudeau government now. I just heard an athlete describing how marijuana oil for pain killing is replacing opiate use in the locker rooms. Police forces have reported no increase in DUI’s nor accidents due to Marijuana. Have crime rates gone up because of legalization of Marijuana?
    I had an hour long phone conversation with a retired CFL football player from Toronto today. He works for a venture capital company, looking to buy planting seed for CBD extraction. I could not supply him but gave him a few leads. Interesting fellow.
    He thinks there is a strong future in cannabis because of the opiate crisis. I know one woman in town retired, pensioned, entitled to her health care. In October her husband stopped by the farm to visit a little. They were heading for the city because his wife was “finally going to get on morphine” for her sciatica. (WTF?)
    An organic grain buyer in the northeast US says his friends got opiates for high school
    football injuries. Now they are late 20’s opiates are too expensive so heroin is cheaper.
    Cannabis is the least of our worries. Reply With Quote
    farmaholic's Avatar Mar 12, 2019 | 21:00 25
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    How has the the legalization of marijuana changed your life or the life of anyone around you? Police forces have reported no increase in DUI’s nor accidents due to Marijuana. Have crime rates gone up because of legalization of Marijuana?
    Wait for it, wait....give it time! We are just getting started.

    AND

    Um?



    Nothing more needs to be said.

    End of subject.
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  • Mar 12, 2019 | 21:04 26
    Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
    It’s not just about marijuana, the drug dealers that have lost marijuana business have switched to get kids hooked more on Chrystal meth, coccain and whatever else that’s not easily bought legally at a store. It’s a crisis in rural areas not being talked about except at schools where it’s really showing up. Not being reported the way it should be. Lots of kids bragging how mom and dad are stoned at home and are they wearing masks watching mom and dad?
    You watch way to much drama,the media loves to make this stuff up. Show some proof or clam up. Reply With Quote
    Mar 12, 2019 | 21:20 27
    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    You watch way to much drama,the media loves to make this stuff up. Show some proof or clam up.
    Media isn’t reporting barely any of this. We see it right in front of us in our town.
    Law enforcement don’t know what to do drug dealers get a slap on the wrist. News Headline today another coccain bust up north. That’s not what used to be it used to be marijuana busts. Unfortunately a few more suicides that get linked to what’s going on and maybe it will get talked about. Reply With Quote
    Mar 13, 2019 | 05:47 28
    Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
    You seem confused Tom - have you been indulging in too much of the newly legalized product?
    While there clearly appears to be a link between Huawei and Canola this thread is about the SNC Lavalin scandal and your attempt to make the two issues appear as one controversy is rather strange. Maybe either prove a connection or withdraw the claim?
    grass;

    From the Financial Post Grumpfarmer;

    'China revokes Richardson Int. canola shipping permit as Huawei dispute escalates...The loss of the shipping permit comes as Ottawa moves to proceed with the extradition hearing of Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. executive Meng Wanzhou, who has arrested at the request of the U.S., which wants to extradite her for fraud.'
    https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/commodities-business-pmn/agriculture-commodities-business-pmn/china-revokes-richardson-int-canola-shipping-permit-as-huawei-dispute-escalates

    PM Justin costs western Canadian Canola growers and industry jobs and huge$$$$$$$;

    so/and... you try to defend the liberanos crazy corrupt failure to obey the rule of law... ????

    Are you off your meds again grumpy... or does the truth hurt too much... that your shiny pony has lost his shine... and his mind??? Reply With Quote
    Mar 13, 2019 | 06:35 29
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    grass;


    Are you off your meds again ???
    No, that appears to be you TOM - I have not been disputing anything about the Chinese/canola dispute merely pointing out that it is not linked to the SNC Lavalin scandal despite your claim in the opening post. A true politician - defending the lie instead of admitting the mistake. Reply With Quote
    Mar 13, 2019 | 10:40 30 Grass, I think Tom is referring to fact that Liberanos have a double standard regarding the rule of law. In a nutshell, The Chinese want DPA applied to the Huawei affair. Reply With Quote