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Feb 8, 2019 | 13:24 31
Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
dml, trump created 5 million jobs in 2 years and created opening for another 7 million. They posted a 3.7% gdp. Know what ours was? 1.7%. He took millions off welfare and food stamps and even put disabled people to work. Black and Hispanic unemployment lowest ever. The economy grew way faster than their debt did.

Don't ever compare Canada to the US. They are nothing alike.
Wow those are impressive numbers Jazz, but like Sask3 posting, they mean nothing unless you put them in context. For example the last two years of Obama, jobs were increasing at 2.5 million a year - the same rate of job increase as Trump. And total job numbers in US are still a million less then they were in 2007. Yes, millions are off food stamps yet again those numbers are dropping at same rate as Obama. Trump's economic success is on the same trend line as Obama had throughout his second term.

That is if you believe Trump's claims, which given his propensity to lie or at least stretch the truth, means either you look at his claims in context or you are a sucker.

And don't forget, Trump has funded his impressive economic gains with 1.5 trillion of national debt. Our numbers would look a whole lot better too if Trudeau at borrowed at the same pace Trump has. So I will ask you the same question Sask 3 won't answer. Do you think Trudeau never increased the debt enough (should have kept up to the US) or too much?

Before you answer I suggest you look at some better economic figures for the US success???
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/tr...rterly-update/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#6ece857f1af3

PS especially note that the US trade deficit has increased 13% under Trump - the art of the deal guy who was going to balance trade and has thrown the world into a trade war with his tariffs. Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Feb 8, 2019 | 13:31 32 Which PM is pushing Bill C 69? Reply With Quote
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Feb 8, 2019 | 21:00 34 dml, Obama spent 10 trillion dollars to get those jobs and the gdp barely moved. You know there are more people living in the US now than 12 yrs ago so comparing overall jobs is not a metric. Was there ever a point in obamas terms where he front loaded the job market by 7 million positions. Tell me that one. Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2019 | 21:15 35
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Feb 8, 2019 | 21:31 36
Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post

Trudeau your buddy fucked oil and gas.....
I know that you're not strong on either truth or logic but maybe you could explain to us how Trudeau simultaneously caused the price of WTI to decline?

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Feb 8, 2019 | 21:31 37 Or if it is a consumption tax he’s still ok Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Feb 9, 2019 | 03:11 38 Wow how soon they forget.

Harper has a minority the banks and big business was in trouble and the liberals said to him you have to help or we will crush you and he fell for it.

If the liberals would have won we would be 5 trillion in debt.

But like all good liberals blame Harper is so easy to do Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2019 | 07:46 39 I guess it's easier to ignore the question than admit to your lie hey SF3? Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2019 | 07:56 40
Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
Wow how soon they forget.

Harper has a minority the banks and big business was in trouble and the liberals said to him you have to help or we will crush you and he fell for it.

If the liberals would have won we would be 5 trillion in debt.

But like all good liberals blame Harper is so easy to do
LOL, and the old Conservative excuse waa, waa ... "But the Liberals made me do it!" waa waa….

And then they pull out some fictitious number like 5 trillion or a stupid memes and claim but that's what the Liberals would have done. Total BS. And everytime you do this without backing up your claims you lose a little more credibility.

So I will ask you again, compared to the US which is so much better economically according to you and a Republican White house that has run up the debt multiple times over what Trudeau has over the last 2 years, do you think Trudeau has increased the debt too much or not enough.

I will add a second question based on this last post. We had a global recession in 09 and every country was supporting their economy through borrowing. According to you Harper was forced to do so by the Liberals. So do you think he should have not bailed out the economy? Remember, our biggest trading partner - the US provided 831 billion in relief.

Third, for a good laugh, please provide any factual basis for your 5 trillion dollar Liberal debt claim, because I call BS! Reply With Quote
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  • SASKFARMER3's Avatar Feb 9, 2019 | 16:27 41 Liberals piss away money as if it wasn’t theirs and party is all a liberal gov does look at Trudeau and his fools. If Harper wouldn’t of been in and liberals would of we would be trillions in debt they have no f$&king clue Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 9, 2019 | 17:39 42
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
    ..... no f$&king clue
    I think that's his answer to both our questions dmlfarmer. And I really didn't like his post, merely hit the stupid "like" button instead of "reply". Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER3's Avatar Feb 9, 2019 | 17:48 43 Grass it’s rather simple the debt would be insane if the liberals were running the show in the 2008 melt down and Harper took on debt for canada yo survive like every country in the world.

    It was a crisis. But you forget that grass or just don’t care to look at how bad it was.

    Hell I could buy a whole block in maricopa for not much cash back then. But like always let’s blame Harper and look at what trump is doing and forget about our F$&k head!

    Game is starting so enjoy canada 🇨🇦.

    F$&k

    Trudeau and his team
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  • farmaholic's Avatar Feb 9, 2019 | 18:34 44 Careful you don't get a nose bleed that far up. Are oxygen levels safe that far up? Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 9, 2019 | 18:58 45
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Careful you don't get a nose bleed that far up. Are oxygen levels safe that far up?
    Apparently oxygen is in short supply as my question was for him to explain how Trudeau caused the WTI oil price decline. Reply With Quote
    farmaholic's Avatar Feb 9, 2019 | 19:04 46 Now now Grassy. Reply With Quote
    Feb 9, 2019 | 20:34 47
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
    Liberals piss away money as if it wasn’t theirs and party is all a liberal gov does look at Trudeau and his fools. If Harper wouldn’t of been in and liberals would of we would be trillions in debt they have no f$&king clue
    And the Conservatives are no better. Sask 3 loves to hurl rocks at Liberals but he sure has a short memory of Conservatives wasting tax payers money just like the Liberals.

    G8 funding 2012 Tony Clement used 50 million dollars earmarked for G8 to benefit his own riding with sidewalks, gazebo etc even though it was miles away from G8 summit

    Same G8 Government builds a 2 million dollar fake indoor lake to give appearance of Ontario Lake country for media interviews

    Harper government spent 750 million on partisan ads promoting Conservative programs, some which were not even in place when ads were running. In fact won the Canadian Taxpayer Federation Teddy Waste Award in 2013 for 2.5 million spend on ads for a job program that was not even in effect.

    And there are just as many Conservative scandals. The "In and Out" election finance scandal in 2006. The Robocall scandal in 2011. Conservative Senators Duffy, Wallin, and Brazeau scandals. Conservative MP scandals include Del Mastro, (election spending) and Phil Penashue (illegal campaign donations), Maxine Bernier (leaving confidential Nato documents at his girlfriends apartment, Peter McKay (using search and rescue helicopter to ferry him from private fishing lodge, Bev Oda and Joe Oliver, (charging inordinate amounts to expense accounts while travelling) and even Harper himself for charging taxpayers taking his daughter and staffers to a Yankees game in NYC although he did pay some back when challenged. (Sound familiar???)

    In the first seven years of the Harper government transfer payments to Quebec actually increased by 5 Billion a year.

    And think about boondoggle the Federal Conservatives left in their rush to get rid of the CWB as you drive on the small c conservative Sask government Regina bypass to get to the stadium.

    The Conservatives are no more moral, careful with taxpayer money, or honest than Liberal and both parties will continue to abuse their power until the average person drops the partisan BS and holds both the party they oppose AND THE party they support accountable. Memes, and attacks simply inflame the situation and encourage abuse by politicians. Reply With Quote
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  • SASKFARMER3's Avatar Feb 10, 2019 | 09:18 48 Wow it’s national blame Harper term for everything wrong with canada even if the liberals are in charge. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 10, 2019 | 09:44 49 Readers don't expect SF3 to respond to DML's post with anything of substance. Most of his posts are juvenile partisan rhetoric.

    He likes to portray himself as a hard working free market capitalist. Then he spends 3-4 months a year sitting on his ass in his second home in the sunny south slinging mud, calling everybody socialists and at the same time he forgets that as a farmer, he has benefited from taxpayer support! LOL Reply With Quote
    Feb 10, 2019 | 11:50 50 Yes and as much as he loves the usa you think he would at least drink american beer instead of corona which it seems is the only beer that appears in his photos. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 10, 2019 | 12:40 51 dml, funny how all of harpers spending still stayed on Canadian soil while he actively nurtured trade and resource development. Do you have a rationale for the liberal govt spending 20B of our money overseas and another 5 billion to bring in the unskilled dependent immigrants who will be using govt funds forever. Now count the resource projects cancelled at another 100B and the investment that has left Canada at another $100. Haven't even counted the losses expected from the resigned nafta.

    The liberals have put Canada more than 250B in the hole in 3 yrs. Your hypocrisy and lack of economic knowledge is stunning and frankly alarming. Sure you are a farmer?

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  • Feb 10, 2019 | 13:21 52 Jazz

    Put these numbers over the chart you have provided and have your answer to why foreign investment has declined in Canada. It's the price of a BARREL of OIL. In fact foreign investment started to to head south 2013-2015 during Harpos reign as PM. The funny thing was the foreign investment already started to decline in 2013 when oil was at $98.17 year end.

    As for you questioning DLM as to being a farmer, is of no merit at all to the thread. Isn't that type of behavior that happens on Facebook



    Crude Oil Prices - Historical Annual Data
    Year Average
    Closing Price Year Open Year High Year Low Year Close Annual
    % Change
    2019 $52.08 $46.54 $55.26 $46.54 $52.72 16.10%
    2018 $64.90 $60.37 $76.41 $42.53 $45.41 -24.84%
    2017 $50.84 $52.33 $60.42 $42.53 $60.42 12.47%
    2016 $43.58 $36.76 $54.06 $26.21 $53.72 45.03%
    2015 $48.72 $52.72 $61.43 $34.73 $37.04 -30.70%
    2014 $93.17 $95.14 $107.95 $53.45 $53.45 -45.55%
    2013 $97.98 $93.14 $110.62 $86.65 $98.17 6.90%
    2012 $94.05 $102.96 $109.39 $77.72 $91.83 -7.08%
    2011 $94.88 $91.59 $113.39 $75.40 $98.83 8.15%
    2010 $79.48 $81.52 $91.48 $64.78 $91.38 15.10%
    2009 $61.95 $46.17 $81.03 $34.03 $79.39 78.00% Reply With Quote
    Feb 10, 2019 | 14:24 53 FF, do you know anything about the oil business? I worked in the patch for 10 yrs. Companies do not spend 100s of millions of dollars building facilities if they cant weather a few yrs of bad prices. Companies use many strategies to carry through those times.

    What they cant weather is a hostile govt who blocks their resource at every turn which is what happened under Trudeau with Obama in the mix. That's why they left and are leaving. $100B cancelled projects along with $100B in lost investment adds up to a lot of wealth gone. Add in another 80B debt and we are fd. You gonna really tell me this was harpers fault. Good god. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 10, 2019 | 17:31 54 Jazz wow 10 yr in the patch and you are am expert,makes me feel good knowing how smart i must be with over 50 yr farming experience. Reply With Quote
    Feb 10, 2019 | 19:05 55
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    Jazz wow 10 yr in the patch and you are am expert,makes me feel good knowing how smart i must be with over 50 yr farming experience.
    Buddy I worked right in the core as an engineer. I costed, designed and built oil field facilities including work on the Keystone pipeline. I know that business and I know for a fact if the regulations weren't tilted against these companies like Trudeau has done they wouldn't be moving out of there. You don't spend billions on facilities just to sell them a few yrs later and get out of dodge. Reply With Quote
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  • SASKFARMER3's Avatar Feb 10, 2019 | 19:53 56 Blah blah blah is all I here from you critics. Now I’m not working because I’m gone in the winter wow. I don’t drink American beer.

    How about work hard and try for a better life and have a plan and follow and enjoy life.

    Trudeau is destroying canada with useless regulations that are Ment to crush oil and gas and wait he’s coming after agriculture in canada next.

    Liberals are amazing at blaming others for their brain dead ideas.

    But it’s all harpers fault. Reply With Quote

  • Feb 10, 2019 | 20:17 57
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    dml, funny how all of harpers spending still stayed on Canadian soil while he actively nurtured trade and resource development. Do you have a rationale for the liberal govt spending 20B of our money overseas and another 5 billion to bring in the unskilled dependent immigrants who will be using govt funds forever. Now count the resource projects cancelled at another 100B and the investment that has left Canada at another $100. Haven't even counted the losses expected from the resigned nafta.

    The liberals have put Canada more than 250B in the hole in 3 yrs. Your hypocrisy and lack of economic knowledge is stunning and frankly alarming. Sure you are a farmer?
    1. Foreign aid has not gone up significantly under Trudeau and as a percentage of GNI in Canada was actually higher under Harper than Trudeau. And in constant dollars, the highest Canadian foreign aid ever was actually in 2011-12.http://aidwatchcanada.ca/wp-content/...-1980-2017.pdf
    And to answer you question, my rational is likely the same as Trudeaus and Harpers: a moral responsibility, living up to global agreements made with regard to foreign aid, foreign aid tends to be much cheaper than war, future trade benefits with countries we help, and by assisting someone to be able to live in their home country makes it much less likely they will either seek refuge status in Canada which is more costly, or develop such hatred for our better lifestyle they are prepared to attack our lifestyle.

    2. Show me where you get the 5 billion more for unskilled immigrants who will be on funding funding forever because I think that is simply anti immigrant rhetoric. Sounds like a Fraser Institute study that found immigrants are costing Canada 23 billion a year. However, I would like to point out this study was published in 2011 long before Trudeau. Humm who was the government of the day then?. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...stitute-report

    3. Oilprice.com reported $380 billion worth of resource development projects were cancelled world wide in 2014 and 2015 and blames it on the fall in energy prices. Given this time period was before impact of Trudeau energy policies and the fact the cancellation was world wide, not sure how you find all the cancellations in Canada were Trudeaus fault and not as a result of the drop in energy prices that caused cancellations everywhere else in the world. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...Cancelled.html

    4. And the new NAFTA which was forced on Canada and Mexico by Trump, may be signed but it has not been ratified or put into law into any of the 3 countries so not sure how you can blame Trudeau for costs which may not even happen.

    Finally, I am a farmer, with an economics background, who is extremely interested in knowing what I have posted which is hypocritical. Please enlighten me!
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