Railways are playing games again. Why can't canada get its shit together.

[SASKFARMER3]

Canada's two major railways are rationing space on trains travelling to the country's biggest port and recently prioritized some commodities over others to deal with congestion, the latest indication of their struggle to meet demand from new trade deals.

That move prompted Canada's transport regulator last week to start an investigation into rail services around Port Metro Vancouver after shippers complained of "discriminatory treatment of certain commodities" by Canadian National Railway (CN) and Canadian Pacific Railway (CP).

Canada is a top shipper of crops, fertilizer, oil and pulp, but has in recent years needed government intervention to keep commodities moving, from ordering railways to clear grain backlogs to Alberta's crude oil curtailments this month due to full pipelines.

I for one just don't get why Trudeau and all his useless programs can't just focus on building Canada instead of tearing it down and double the tracks to the coast, yes its a costly program but billions are being lost on what's happening today. Then rework the ports on the west coast.

Grow a set of balls and actually do something.

[jazz]

[I for one just don't get why Trudeau and all his useless programs can't just focus on building Canada instead of tearing it down and double the tracks to the coast, yes its a costly program but billions are being lost on what's happening today. Then rework the ports on the west coast.

Cross country projects like that are DOA. The tracks will never be twinned. The natives would protest that forever. Better to look for another route. Churchill, more Thunder Bay and through the US system.

[bucket]

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Canada's two major railways are rationing space on trains travelling to the country's biggest port and recently prioritized some commodities over others to deal with congestion, the latest indication of their struggle to meet demand from new trade deals.

That move prompted Canada's transport regulator last week to start an investigation into rail services around Port Metro Vancouver after shippers complained of "discriminatory treatment of certain commodities" by Canadian National Railway (CN) and Canadian Pacific Railway (CP).

Canada is a top shipper of crops, fertilizer, oil and pulp, but has in recent years needed government intervention to keep commodities moving, from ordering railways to clear grain backlogs to Alberta's crude oil curtailments this month due to full pipelines.

I for one just don't get why Trudeau and all his useless programs can't just focus on building Canada instead of tearing it down and double the tracks to the coast, yes its a costly program but billions are being lost on what's happening today. Then rework the ports on the west coast.

Grow a set of balls and actually do something.

The problem is Canada does not have a regulator with any teeth....the CTA just rubber stamps...

**** sakes they had to ask the minister for permission to investigate....

It should be the CTA calling the railways to task and the railways should be shitting bricks like they do in the states when they get called before the surface transportation board (STB)

The federal monitor hasn't said anything was wrong...what will Quorum's response be ????

Digging deeper is the fact Canada does not trend line yield and collaborate the info to build infrastructure for a country that relies on exports....very stupid not to know the infrastructure requirements for an exporting nation....

Didn't Trudeau introduce an infrastructure program and bank?????? or was that for spending in other places than Canada to gain his UN job????

Many people have worked hard in Ottawa as noted recently in other threads....it is pretty obvious many people in Ottawa did SFA as far as looking into the future....thats a dig, yup.....

How to fix it???

1. Start looking at required infrastructure for the volume that may end up being exported if world trade gets back on track....and build it when times are slow......


2. The CTA has to have more teeth in all of this...government are there for oversight that things get done properly and to regulate to ensure everything and everyone has access to exporting..

3. I still think there is a case to made for a 5 million tonne inland BC terminal so if shit hits the fan in Vancouver there is still movement off prairies and when SHTF in the mountains product can be shuttled from the terminal...

Just thinking outloud from behind a computer screen...open ideas ...they are not trademarked or patented...

[SASKFARMER3]

I just look at mega projects China is doing from Building a whole island in the ocean to tunnels under major harbours to railways through a mountain instead of along the side.

But when Canada puts one and 2 together Trudeau gets 7. F#$KIng NEW Math.

But they will blow Billions on Foreign Investment and forget about Canada.

[bucket]

Canada is the youngest country on the planet and has destroyed more infrastructure than most....

China is building the silk road....something Canada had decades ago and was a wasted opportunity. ....a network of rail lines feeding into the major expressway to ports....we ****ing thru it away and the Chinese adopted the model 40 years later...to have their exports/imports move to via rail not trucks like Canada adopted. ...

[SASKFARMER3]

A problem in Canada is no term limit first off.

Useless fools like Ralph wouldn't be on board for the final check instead would work to do good for the country.

No pension then its only 4 years and your gone, new blood.

If you actually were good at your job companies would hire your for boards etc and that would be big bucks.

No time to be corrupt like a lot of the liberals.

Cons to.

NDP also.

So time to start with politicians

[bucket]

A problem in Canada is no term limit first off.

Useless fools like Ralph wouldn't be on board for the final check instead would work to do good for the country.

No pension then its only 4 years and your gone, new blood.

If you actually were good at your job companies would hire your for boards etc and that would be big bucks.

No time to be corrupt like a lot of the liberals.

Cons to.

NDP also.

So time to start with politicians

The last decades.... politicians have been getting their ideas from shortsighted puppets that have masters to answer to....

Politicians are simple minded people....

We have a drama teacher for a Prime Minister...not a business person....not an engineer...not an accountant....not someone that built something....

A trust fund part time drama teacher .....that's his prerequisite to run a country????????????

[jazz]

The infrastructure we have now, is what we will have for a long time. The money is leaving Canada. Nobody wants to do any business at all anymore here. No projects will get done. ever again. The protest groups are out of the bottle now and no balls to stand up to them.

Oil and LNG first targets, Canadian ag is next up.

[bucket]

The infrastructure we have now, is what we will have for a long time. The money is leaving Canada. Nobody wants to do any business at all anymore here. No projects will get done. ever again. The protest groups are out of the bottle now and no balls to stand up to them.

Oil and LNG first targets, Canadian ag is next up.

In 3 years Trudeau has accomplished that....Not Harper which is Trudeau's go to answer....Trudeau ****ed it up...

It might take a decade to fix what Trudeau has ****ed up....

Canadian primary producers are next.....the leeches are going to be doing just fine....

[jazz]

In 3 years Trudeau has accomplished that....Not Harper which is Trudeau's go to answer....Trudeau ****ed it up...

It might take a decade to fix what Trudeau has ****ed up....

Canadian primary producers are next.....the leeches are going to be doing just fine....

What are the environmentalists biggest targets. Killed nuclear 30 yrs ago, now working on oil and gas. Next targets are meat, crop chemicals, GMOs all grown on native lands, transported through unceded native lands. Anyone that cant see we are next is not looking.

[bucket]

Maybe VVALK could enlighten us about his 10 years of working in Ottawa towards an open market ....did he fall asleep in meetings about the transportation file and larger crops??????

Or was it myopic vision that didn't lead to think further past his nose...

I guess 2013 showed up just like 1997 unexpectedly with no one paying attention....and now it looks like even with good weather this winter there is a crisis developing....

Who would have thunk it with less than 500,000 tonnes moving to the west coast weekly and as high as 2.3 MMT of vessel space waiting for grain while the new trade agreement was coming....

Geez that's vision....

Meanwhile the CTA keeps rubber stamping indexed increases in freight....while some guys think lobbying on behalf of their sponsors that higher rates will motivate the railways.....

[Oliver88]

-Trudeau puts moratorium on shipping oil off northern BC coast
Northern Gateway Pipeline- cancelled
-Bill C-69 and other regulations/stall tactics (giving Montreal mayor a veto) added to kill Energy East.
-Twinning of the Transmountain Pipeline gets stalled due to environmentalists and Trudeau playing games with Vancouver voters, buys pipeline to avoid making a decision.
-Carbon tax now being added to freight in Alberta and BC. NFU told federal government farmers endorse the carbon tax.
-CN claims to have a wonderful patented plastic hockey puck to haul oil in.
-Notley and some of her ministers were anti-oil activists before politics.
-Gerald Butts used to be head of the World Wildlife Federation opposing the oil industry now directs Trudeau.
-Foreign billionaires are paying activists to oppose industry and productivity in Canada.

Should we be shocked with bad grain movement?

[bucket]

Even the CBC is questioning where the environmentalists are getting their money.....

[FarmJunkie]

Anything that would make sense just never gets done in this country. There would always be an excuse why it wouldn’t work. Churchill is a prime example. Not enuf votes or political favoratism there. Just look at the Great Lakes situation. Votes talk. Our whole system is setup to pander to Ontario and Quebec. In the west we would be better off without them. Railways hold every small town ransom and determine which communities live or die. Not the way it shud be but once again money and votes talk.

[furrowtickler]

-Trudeau puts moratorium on shipping oil off northern BC coast
Northern Gateway Pipeline- cancelled
-Bill C-69 and other regulations/stall tactics (giving Montreal mayor a veto) added to kill Energy East.
-Twinning of the Transmountain Pipeline gets stalled due to environmentalists and Trudeau playing games with Vancouver voters, buys pipeline to avoid making a decision.
-Carbon tax now being added to freight in Alberta and BC. NFU told federal government farmers endorse the carbon tax.
-CN claims to have a wonderful patented plastic hockey puck to haul oil in.
-Notley and some of her ministers were anti-oil activists before politics.
-Gerald Butts used to be head of the World Wildlife Federation opposing the oil industry now directs Trudeau.
-Foreign billionaires are paying activists to oppose industry and productivity in Canada.

Should we be shocked with bad grain movement?

You basically summed up the entire issue,
What we have in Canada right now is a complete cluster *** , while the rest of the world is blowing past us .