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Jan 12, 2019 | 10:14 1 As a farmer there are number of things to think about....

1. The seed Tax and lack of details
2. The Carbon tax
3. Lack of representation on above two...
4. The utter waste of taxpayers money without a comprehensive vision of where Canada is going...


AS an average citizen I think about

1. Immigration....illegal or irregular????
2. Bringing Saudi citizens to Canada won't be a political victory for any of us...
3. The divisions that have resurfaced in this country
4. How long to fix number 3


And finally as a Canadian why are we trying so hard to please the rest of the world....we are the youngest country on the planet with some very astonishing achievements ...

to paraphrase from the farmers creed...."I believe my life will be measured ultimately by what I have done for my fellow man, and by this standard I fear no judgment..."

Well as a country we should be fearing no judgement....

This country needs a visionary leader to get us past the petty issues...Trudeau can't do that....

When I think about the friendship Brian Mulroney and the Bush family had.....its quite obvious those two got past the petty issues for the greater good of both countries...

Flame away but there have been better leaders in this country and I wonder where those same type of people are today....even Chretien with his faults was a better PM than Trudeau will ever hope to be....

The seed tax worries me because no one has said anything about who is responsible for another Triffid event in any commodity...
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Jan 12, 2019 | 10:23 2 Nothing to flame you for, you are correct.

Farming: not really a viable business anymore. Pays better to stack shelves at night at the grocery store. Organic doesn’t pay a premium in my area, and any premium that does exist will disappear as more farmers give the high inputs the FU.
Watch the land speculators/investors/funds flee farmland investments this year and prices start to plummet.

Country: quickly turning into an s’hole country of its own, not a big surprise when the folks come here and want to live life like in the old country. Liberalism is quickly destroying mankind. And Liberal debt. And no energy projects getting built, investment fleeing the country never to return. Cue stacking shelves at the grocery store because your industry training and experience is now obsolete. Reply With Quote
Jan 12, 2019 | 10:31 3
Quote Originally Posted by Taiga View Post
Nothing to flame you for, you are correct.

Farming: not really a viable business anymore. Pays better to stack shelves at night at the grocery store. Organic doesn’t pay a premium in my area, and any premium that does exist will disappear as more farmers give the high inputs the FU.
Watch the land speculators/investors/funds flee farmland investments this year and prices start to plummet.

Country: quickly turning into an s’hole country of its own, not a big surprise when the folks come here and want to live life like in the old country. Liberalism is quickly destroying mankind. And Liberal debt. And no energy projects getting built, investment fleeing the country never to return. Cue stacking shelves at the grocery store because your industry training and experience is now obsolete.
And now Freehand greet the Saudi teen ....for fucks sakes already ...average Canadians are kept at arms length from the PM or kicked out for raising their voices ....and these immigrants get a hug....

I am not a racist but I do think generational Canadians or old stock Canadians (lol) deserve more respect than they are currently given...

If a teenager ran away from home in Canada it would take 48 hours before the police would even start looking....a saudi Teenager made it it around the world in less time ...travel free....

Call me an asshole but this is really fucked up.
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fjlip's Avatar Jan 12, 2019 | 11:10 4 Really is F*cked uphttps://youtu.be/ZwpWN9azF-s Reply With Quote
Jan 12, 2019 | 11:16 5 Where are those type of leaders today? Unfortunately bucket, society does not produce these type of individuals anymore, when you are given a medal for finishing last, the same participation medal as the person that finished first, there is no incentive to do any better. No better example of that is with the so called irregular border crossers, in real terms illegal border crossers. These people have committed a crime but yet they are now on the same level as those who have come to this country and pursued immigration through the proper channels. We in this country over the last 25-30 years have reverted to such a snowflake society that everyone is offended over something and we have tried to balance that out by making everyone feel warm and fuzzy and equal. You and I know that life is not fair and equal, different people start out at different levels and face vastly different challenges in life to suceed. In my opinion today's society not only doesn't foster a climate where the best and brightest can flourish but penalizes them by giving out participation medals instead of the needed help to the disadvantaged so that they too can strive to suceed. We have a problem in this country, and it is socialism, society deems it better to bring people down instead of helping people rise up. The days of strong leaders such as Winston Churchill, Margret Thatcher, Ronnie Reagen are long gone , society is to soft to produce these type of leaders. I have read somewhere or maybe it was a quote on another forum " Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create soft men, Soft men create hard times." This rambling has just been my own observations and opinions and is now open to ridicule and debate. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jan 12, 2019 | 11:30 6 MisterJade9. I my opinion it couldn't be more true.

Every generation wanted it better for their kids than they had it.... and one day reality might slap the lastest generation in the face so hard they won't know what the fuck hit them. There seems no desire to work and get ahead, seasonal employment, menial jobs, an attitude of entitlement, when the previous generation's wealth is diminshed things might get pretty fucken tough.

Too much fucken coddling these days, while the immigrants and minorities get educations to push themselves up the ladder. You're last statement is so true!

Open the fucken door when opportunity comes knocking, just don't look at it out the window! Reply With Quote
Jan 12, 2019 | 11:38 7 As for farming goes, what’s the point of “working hard” anymore? I’ve been doing this for years.... like most, things to be heading south very fast.
Yes, we could see a small surge in prices, but they are so far behind the actually cost of production it’s not funny. Expenses are climbing at record levels, it looks like we always be one step forward and two steps back. Reply With Quote
Jan 12, 2019 | 12:19 8 Misterjade9 ; That is the most intelligent and balanced post I have read on here in a long time. I couldn't have written it as well myself.

My only comment would be to say it is extremely unfortunate that we will have to wait until the damage from the present social mores and political correctness is painfully apparent before we can muster the social will to correct anything.

And as for the quality of politicians in general and of course their leadership, this can hardly be a surprise to anyone. Who in their right mind, assuming that they are a capable and intelligent person would ever be stupid enough to take that job. God himself would have at least half the people against him! Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jan 12, 2019 | 12:40 9 Mr Jade Neun,

Add to your list the social rot created by the the ever so popular "victim status", seems everyone is susceptible...the perfect excuse.

Some people are victims of their own personality! Reply With Quote
Jan 12, 2019 | 13:02 10 No bigger worry than this, except maybe nuclear war but that might come anyway;

Americans losing Jobs to Artificial Intelligence and Immigrants

Then read how your govts want to ramp up immigration;

Canada Plans to Welcome More Than 1 Million New Immigrant

Summary; more than 800 million jobs will be lost in the world a full 40% of workers. All while we are fed the narrative we need more workers. We are going to end up with a bunch of pissed off people with nothing to do.

Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
I am not a racist but I do think generational Canadians or old stock Canadians (lol) deserve more respect than they are currently given...
You have to aske yourself what do politicians do. They cater to people to retain power and the larger group they can cater to, the better. Its not secret our demographics are collapsing. People in the west forgot to have kids for a couple generations. 2 income families, DINKs, feminists, divorce laws all killed the family unit. And we wonder why nobody listens to us? This might be our own fault.
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Jan 12, 2019 | 13:18 11
Quote Originally Posted by Taiga View Post
Nothing to flame you for, you are correct.

Farming: not really a viable business anymore. Pays better to stack shelves at night at the grocery store.
Be sure to count all the new $100,000 special edition top of the line diesel trucks at the farm shows owned by all those non viable businesses.
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Jan 12, 2019 | 15:04 12
Quote Originally Posted by wd9 View Post
Be sure to count all the new $100,000 special edition top of the line diesel trucks at the farm shows owned by all those non viable businesses.
Can’t afford to attend the circus shows, can you get a count for me? Ignore the trucks with the Cargill, CPS, Bayer, etc stickers in the windows. Reply With Quote
Austranada's Avatar Jan 12, 2019 | 18:22 13
Quote Originally Posted by Misterjade9 View Post
Where are those type of leaders today? Unfortunately bucket, society does not produce these type of individuals anymore, when you are given a medal for finishing last, the same participation medal as the person that finished first, there is no incentive to do any better. No better example of that is with the so called irregular border crossers, in real terms illegal border crossers. These people have committed a crime but yet they are now on the same level as those who have come to this country and pursued immigration through the proper channels. We in this country over the last 25-30 years have reverted to such a snowflake society that everyone is offended over something and we have tried to balance that out by making everyone feel warm and fuzzy and equal. You and I know that life is not fair and equal, different people start out at different levels and face vastly different challenges in life to suceed. In my opinion today's society not only doesn't foster a climate where the best and brightest can flourish but penalizes them by giving out participation medals instead of the needed help to the disadvantaged so that they too can strive to suceed. We have a problem in this country, and it is socialism, society deems it better to bring people down instead of helping people rise up. The days of strong leaders such as Winston Churchill, Margret Thatcher, Ronnie Reagen are long gone , society is to soft to produce these type of leaders. I have read somewhere or maybe it was a quote on another forum " Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create soft men, Soft men create hard times." This rambling has just been my own observations and opinions and is now open to ridicule and debate.
I think we're in between the last two "times" you quoted, in Australia as well. Definitely overburdened with bureaucracy and post turtles. Reply With Quote
Jan 12, 2019 | 22:28 14 Farma

"and one day reality might slap the lastest generation in the face so hard they won't know what the fuck hit them. There seems no desire to work and get ahead, seasonal employment, menial jobs, an attitude of entitlement, when the previous generation's wealth is diminshed things might get pretty fucken tough."


I have two children and 16 nieces and nephews between the ages of 20-34, your above statement couldn't be more inaccurate.

From what I understand you have children of your own, would you be describing them in your above statement? I doubt it.

Better yet let's ask all Agriville posters if you described their children. Again I doubt it.

Please don't feed me the B.S line that your referring to the urban young people, because how would you know that living in rural Sk.

Have a bit of faith, you were a young punk in some older guys eyes at one time and look how you turned out! Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jan 12, 2019 | 23:11 15 Forage, the comment definitely wouldn't be all inclusive, but I stand by my comment. Maybe I'm just a hard-ass with high expectations.

As for how I turned out, that would be a matter of opinion.

No formal education, out of highschool I worked part-time from fall to spring for 9 years and at home at the same time and farmed full time in the summer. Then quit to farm fulltime. Read lots but never learned anything...lol. Reply With Quote
Jan 13, 2019 | 07:54 16 Where did all the great politicians go? The people with the same characteristics are still being born - maybe less of them are choosing to get into politics with the fishbowl it has become of 24/7 media scrutiny? "Great" leaders are remembered for generations but I think it's also true that it takes times when conditions are extremely bad for these leaders to be needed and for them to rise to the occasion in the public perception. Winston Churchill would be the classic case - famous for his war time leadership but not that successful politically in peace time. When times are easy and the problems are "relatively" small like in most western nations at the moment it doesn't demand the best politicians - which is maybe why we've got what we've got? Reply With Quote
Jan 13, 2019 | 07:57 17 Pgluca: Don't you think we are already feeling the effects of this society? We elected a party to run this country whose leader was one of those given a medal for just showing up.

" I could have been an actor, but I wound up here."
" I just have to look good, I don't need to be clear."

Don Henley, from the song Dirty Laundry. Reply With Quote
Jan 13, 2019 | 09:05 18
Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
Where did all the great politicians go? The people with the same characteristics are still being born - maybe less of them are choosing to get into politics with the fishbowl it has become of 24/7 media scrutiny? "Great" leaders are remembered for generations but I think it's also true that it takes times when conditions are extremely bad for these leaders to be needed and for them to rise to the occasion in the public perception. Winston Churchill would be the classic case - famous for his war time leadership but not that successful politically in peace time. When times are easy and the problems are "relatively" small like in most western nations at the moment it doesn't demand the best politicians - which is maybe why we've got what we've got?
A leader like Winston Churchill would be ridiculed in today’s social media and fakes newspapers. You only need to turn on CNN to see the battering that Trump takes on a constant basis. Jean Chretien, now he had the qualities - he was focused and deliberate - deliberate enough to grab a protester by the neck, I don’t know what he intended to do to the protestor once he had him in a choke-hold but he showed his deliberation. He had vision for the economics of this nation and no one was going to stand in his way. Now, Trudeau as well as Scheer, Harper and all are just la de da, I’ll just stand here and put a smile(or smirk) on my face while every special interest group derails every economic initiative and I won’t have to do anything. “Consult, include special groups in benefits, but get to work and Get It Done.” Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Jan 13, 2019 | 09:11 19 ok, you all know I hate the current bunch of liberals and Detest Trudeau. Hell, he is the worst Pm in the whole history of Canada.

Ask the fool a question get nothing after listening to him for 5 min.

But when the cow went to the airport to greet the Saudi girl What the F#$K was she thinking.

This isn't doing anything for Canada but it will bring in more trouble let me tell you.

Bucket you hit the nail on the head. It's scary and the one you missed is the amount of debt Canada is taking on with nothing to show for it. Reply With Quote
Jan 13, 2019 | 09:19 20 The libs fall all over themselves for the photo op and then no follow through. Just like the 50,000 Syrian refugees just dump off in Canada. Most of them still at food banks getting supports, no skills, no money to upgrade, no English. The are DOA in this country. Reply With Quote
Jan 13, 2019 | 11:28 21
Quote Originally Posted by Misterjade9 View Post
Pgluca: Don't you think we are already feeling the effects of this society? We elected a party to run this country whose leader was one of those given a medal for just showing up.

" I could have been an actor, but I wound up here."
" I just have to look good, I don't need to be clear."

Don Henley, from the song Dirty Laundry.
Misterjade9, We are undoubtably feeling the effects. However until the severity is great enough that it becomes an issue that resonates with a significant portion of the population nothing will happen. Also there has to be recognition of the cause. Perhaps that will be the hardest part because it will require realizing that the "everyone is entitled and everyone is equal" philosophy is just unworkable.

Regarding the issue of a competent and viable country leadership, I wonder if, as political correctness becomes more important than rational and functional policy, a country essentially becomes ungovernable.

Politicians as was pointed out by someone else, seem to have only one focus....reelection, which makes them political prostitutes for every popular cause, or loud special interest group, etc. And as I wrote earlier you have to be "SPECIAL" to want that job, being an egomaniac or someone with a superiority complex combined with self masochistic tendencies would fit. The Ed Stellmacs (I may have spelled his name wrong) of this world, who only want to promote good government get crushed. Reply With Quote
Jan 13, 2019 | 15:30 22
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
A leader like Winston Churchill would be ridiculed in today’s social media and fakes newspapers. You only need to turn on CNN to see the battering that Trump takes on a constant basis.
I don't believe anyone could seriously consider mentioning Trump in the same breath as Churchill. Opposite ends of the spectrum of leadership.


Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
..But when the cow went to the airport to greet the Saudi girl...
Well there's one reason half the population doesn't want to get into politics. Ignorant misogyny.

You're a big talker SF3 - always wanting better representation from useless farm organizations - what have you ever done to improve them? Endless time and resources on your hands and I bet you've done nothing to further or represent any group. Reply With Quote
Jan 14, 2019 | 12:57 23
Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
I don't believe anyone could seriously consider mentioning Trump in the same breath as Churchill. Opposite ends of the spectrum of leadership...

Not all would agree. There is one camp who unceremoniously lumps them into the same heap.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/w...re-colonialism

When our times have had the sterilizing benefit of 50 -75 years of retrospect, it will be interesting to see how history has presented today's leaders.

Whatever Churchill was in reality, he was the leader the Western world needed for that time. All have feet of clay. Reply With Quote
Jan 14, 2019 | 22:01 24
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
Not all would agree. There is one camp who unceremoniously lumps them into the same heap.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/w...re-colonialism

When our times have had the sterilizing benefit of 50 -75 years of retrospect, it will be interesting to see how history has presented today's leaders.

Whatever Churchill was in reality, he was the leader the Western world needed for that time. All have feet of clay.
Without a doubt Churchill had his flaws but his wartime leadership will be remembered as his (and Britain's) finest hour.
Trump's reign is more likely to be remembered as the "WTF era." Reply With Quote
Jan 14, 2019 | 23:46 25 and his razor sharp wit and tongue Reply With Quote