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    Where do you think these $400000.00 investments will be in 20 years?

    !) 3 - 5 Quarters of pasture land with water.

    2) 1 Quarter of good cultivated farm land.

    3) House in a city.

    Everything is cyclical, grain and city real estate probably peaked, cattle maybe still has some upside but 20 years is a long time, long enough for things to crash and burn and start it's way up again.

    #2
    The pasture might be a deal especially if gravel is found.

    House or good quarter probably similar.

    You didn’t use unrealistic p4ices.

    $535,000.00 land in sask good quality.

    $895,000.00 home in Regina.

    $400,000.00 for 4 quarters pasture.

    Or Alberta prices adjust or Manitoba price.

    Then we can talk.

    I feel the drop coming might be your numbers.

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      #3
      In $USD, all down from current levels. In loons, it will depend on where the loon is. A 35 cent loon could have them all higher. Without inflation, Canuckistan will not live long so the B of C governor is cranking the presses up again. The B of C does ongoing quantitative easing as it holds government of Canada securities as it primary asset. It may be that debt is now so high in this country, that further money printing will prove to be ineffective, and we could see the price of these assets fall in loonie terms also. Pretty hard to imagine farmland higher with all the new production competition coming from pretty much everywhere on line. (Russia, Ukraine, South America, the US and land clearing right here at home) That, not interest rates, was the big story in the eighties. Production and export subsidies, mostly on growing production in Europe was the big story then.

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        #4
        My bets on the pasture. Area is gonna be more important than quality of property in the future. More people, more industry, more of everything all takes space. The house is just gonna be an old house in 20yrs and farmland I believe we will be growing more on less ground and other non conventional ag will take market share anyhow so relative value wont increase as much.



        Fyi in central AB good farmland vs crappy pasture is already the same price, all about space not productivity.

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          #5
          In 20 years my bet is on Moose Pasture, there will be lots of Europeans trying to escape UN Agenda 21


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=govL-fUAwMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=govL-fUAwMA

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            #6
            I for one also agree on the pasture at those prices is a deal, at Alberta prices, not a chance.

            Here you might luck out like two friends buy cheap and get the backhoe out and boom find huge gravel deposit and paid for it and the new house in town or a whole section of land.

            Gravel is gold look and you might be surprised.

            House is a house but funny unless its Detroit or Chicago in the hood it's still worth lots.

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              #7
              Originally posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
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              House is a house but funny unless its Detroit or Chicago in the hood it's still worth lots.
              Not the ridiculous $895,000 you quoted though. Latest values I saw for Regina houses from August 2018 were less than half of that.

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                #8
                That’s a new home nice area

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                  #9
                  There are $800k spec home sitting empty here. No way those valuations hold with the province loosing people and the resources in the toilet.

                  4 quarters of pasture is an interesting resource. Lot of flexibility with that. Unless its in the total boondocks probably holds value.

                  Good quality farmland, well as long and the psyco BTOs are swirling, it increases for a while.

                  But consider Canada headwinds, demographics, socialism and competition in the world rising now. We did just what Apple did in china, pioneered production improvements only to have to compete with them now.

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                    #10
                    .....you only quarry out the gravel off the land ONCE!....THEN YOU'RE LEFT WITH PART OF AN UGLY USELESS MOONSCAPE FOREVER.

                    We live in an area where it us getting more common for poor land to have equal residential value as agricultural value....given its close to utilities and good year round access roads.

                    Psycho BTOs....lol!
                    Last edited by farmaholic; Jan 10, 2019, 08:50.

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                      #11
                      Pasture is 120K / quarter.
                      Not sure of the economics of that once all costs to maintain the herd are in. Then factor in a dry year

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by rumrocks View Post
                        Where do you think these $400000.00 investments will be in 20 years?

                        !) 3 - 5 Quarters of pasture land with water.

                        2) 1 Quarter of good cultivated farm land.

                        3) House in a city.

                        Everything is cyclical, grain and city real estate probably peaked, cattle maybe still has some upside but 20 years is a long time, long enough for things to crash and burn and start it's way up again.
                        In my area not sure you could find 1 pasture quarter for that price. If the enviros have their way the only thing on that pasture in 20 years will be deer and moose. Cultivated land was that price maybe 5 years ago, closer to $700000 now. Will farming be all big corps with robots doing the work in 20 years? I will bet on the house in the city because at $700000 a quarter doesn't come close to working and will be that much worse at a $million!

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                          #13
                          Consider the high possibility that Canada turns into a socialist whackdoo state. That would likely eventually lead to a tax on beef or something. That will kill the ranching sector and you will get your burgers from Australia.

                          So a farmer with pasture with either abandon it or break it and start growing crops again. Imagine the carbon release from millions of newly broke land. Carbon tax would have to rise again.

                          The feed sector will be dead so its human consumption crops. That might sound good for a grain farmer but a bunch more landlocked supply here in Canada will make it harder for us. Commodities would be heading down I imagine especially with Russia, China and Argentina ramping up.

                          Like I said before, we could be the oil patch 5 yrs from now.

                          Socialism is creeping everywhere even the US. Only guy in the path of the globalists is Trump. If he gets taken out, we are done.

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                            #14
                            In Europe, the socialist state has put so many regulations on ag that many farmers lent their land for green projects (solar, wind, biomass) collect a check from that and then run a little land for their own sustenance. Europe cant export anything with those kids of costs added on.

                            Europes only export is BMW and Benz and Volvo cars. WTF else to they produce. Ever see anything made in Britain or France. And they even have massive sea access. How can Canadian landlocked ag survive that model.

                            Only way is to join the states.

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                              #15
                              Overall, I think it was the influx of lots of new money that pushed Sask's land prices to where they are now in the last 10 year span. Definitely not demand from people looking for a place to live. I can't see rural populations ever recovering to pre-exodus levels.....other than in the 50 km "halo" around the cities.

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