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Westernvicki some light reading be of interest

Jan 5, 2019 | 00:46 1 All 300 plus pages of it. Re EPRs funding

https://digital.library.adelaide.edu.../3/02whole.pdf Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 17:50 2 Thank you Mallee, just back from visiting retired relatives & others, lots of time for talk over beverages, getting stuck in the record braking snowstorm in a car allows for even more time, lots of time to discuss issues, tis the season.

I have an editorial in Grainews, which basically says what I posted earlier: this is coming, farmers need to negotiate a position. A beneficial position for farmers that adds value to the investment they will be soon forced to expend.

What is the deal? Who will negotiate: we have farm associations who in Saskatchewan alone collect over 30 million a year in farm check off, we have the hundred of million in funds in WGRF, the CGC, but do any groups have the vision to speak to the collective negotiation on behalf of producers. Who would could be the leader, if we agreed we should have a voice?


But alas our history offers little confidence about out collective abilities. And whether or not you support(ed) or oppose(d) the various collective assets of farmers, truth is our history of managing these assets is tragic, to say the least: with the exception of Federated Coops who today are quite successful, the majority of assets once attributed to the collective farm portfolio are gone. With the Crow rate likely the worse example of all, we fought this for so long that we finally received pittance of what was proposed by Otto Lang, and the promised better rail service has fundamentally failed as recently as last year.

With such a shitty history,we need to ask who negotiates on our behalf. And are we even collectively smart enough to have a list?

And so, this is my belief: farmers are going to pay for seed. What do we get in return? A better system at the very least, one would hope. Given that governments have made it clear they want out of plant breeding, and given that government have assets what should be done with these assets? Give them away again? Or should the negotiation consider the developement of a LIMAGRAIN type plant breeding institution we have the model. LIMA GRAIN is a global success story, and it is a farmer owned cooperative breeding house?

But who will negotiate.
Pray tell?

Do we even have the vision to try?

Bring out the dragon slayers! We have one more to kill! Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Jan 7, 2019 | 17:55 3 Well said.
To loosely quote LBJ..
rather have'em inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in. Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 18:10 4 Very well put! I hate to keep hounding but wouldn't this have been a great time to have a "Grain Farmers Advocacy Office" in place. In the Interest of Producers. Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 18:17 5 The question farmers should maybe be asking is ....how much is the breeder system worth?


130 million of farmers money at CGC...

180 million of farmers money at WGRF...

50 million every year in checkoff funds out of farmers pockets....

Maybe others don't see where the money is going but the ROI doesn't seem to be making it back to my pockets... Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 18:46 6 Wasn't there something like 400 mil in CWB account? Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 18:51 7
Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
Wasn't there something like 400 mil in CWB account?
Probably... but lucky for us the WCWGA and guys like TOM4SAUDIS and their infinite wisdom and vision just beyond their nose .....gave that money away Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 18:56 8 And we should still have well over 250 mil coming when Saudi's buy out our shares in G3. It should be way more than that now that we have elevators and ports. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jan 7, 2019 | 19:45 9 ....what is it? Billy Shakespeare's comic tragedy night tonight! Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 22:39 10 You could certainly write a few book of tragedies in our industry at our failures to manage opportunities as a sector. Reply With Quote
Jan 8, 2019 | 10:11 11 I nominate Vicky to write the books, memoirs. Not just Vicky, but other contributors, etc

The stories, politics, shady deals, names and places, successes and failures, etc

Or keep the information close to the chest (heart), much of this intellectual knowledge will soon be lost, and the new kids on the block will likely have to make the same errors, omissions and mistakes over again. Reply With Quote
Jan 8, 2019 | 10:18 12
Quote Originally Posted by Rareearth View Post
I nominate Vicky to write the books, memoirs. Not just Vicky, but other contributors, etc

The stories, politics, shady deals, names and places, successes and failures, etc

Or keep the information close to the chest (heart), much of this intellectual knowledge will soon be lost, and the new kids on the block will likely have to make the same errors, omissions and mistakes over again.
There is a very good book out there called " A History of the Canadian Grain Commission" by J. Blanchard. I recommend reading. We are right back at where we started 100 years ago and things have been so twisted and turned around that we need to start all over again. Times have changed and we need to change with them. Reply With Quote
Jan 8, 2019 | 11:51 13 And the book:
“Canada’s Great Grain Robbery”
By Don Baron
Copyright 1998


20 years old already Reply With Quote
Jan 8, 2019 | 14:22 14 Is there a link to grain news westernvicki? Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jan 8, 2019 | 17:47 15 Please describe the position of power we have to negotiate from.

We're treated like pissants. A group of people seen as a group you can foist what ever you like on without much resistance.

Negotiate? Honestly? Were we ever at the table? Even invited before the decisions were made?

Sacred "Crow" Rate
CWB "unwinding" debacle
Seed Tax Scam (UPOV91)
Toothless watered down CGC puppet of Industry
Industry collusion and consolidation with the facade/illusion/delusion of the "anti-competition" watchdog looking out for the customer's best interest....LOL. Reply With Quote
Jan 9, 2019 | 06:20 16 The position of power is called taking a stand. We have ag associations who represent every sector, attend every conference are part of the negotations, they need to be called to task. Reply With Quote
Jan 9, 2019 | 06:35 17 Saskwheat appears to be taking the viewpoint that neither proposed seed tax options benefit the farmer.
It is quite apparent that the deck is stacked to fill wallets of seed company investors for a problem that doesn’t exist. Reply With Quote
Jan 9, 2019 | 07:01 18 On this forum ...would it be fair to say the majority is against a seed tax?

Farmers have had 130 million plus taken from their farms through the CGC and its questionable as to what they do....they don't grade my grain....they grade graincos grain because once I open my slides ...its the graincos responsibility and they own it ...not me....but somehow I pay the fees on grading grain at the ports when it isn't even my grain....

The WGRF has a 180 million plus sitting there from excess rail freight on grain movement that has resulted in massive problems moving grain....

The SaskEverythings have checkoffed 100's of millions of dollars to the so called benefit of farmers ...

And yet we have no voice ....and those so called benefits of those listed above whether its the CGC , wgrf, railways or Saskeverything hasn't made the bills any easier to pay from their so called "benefitting the farmer".....


We as farmers are becoming easier targets to extract money from because no one says just fuck off....

And yet I sit and watch the Auto sector get billions written off ...their bills have got easier to pay

I watch AGT and partners buy a used railway and their rehabilitation bills on the churchill rail line were very easy to pay ....because as a taxpayer you paid the bill..... plus the 15 million a year subsidy to Omnitrax prior to that....and Omnitrax did SFA ....

I watch Trudeau download costs far greater than the seed tax down to farmers without even recognizing farmers are helping with the problem ...he and Mckenna have expropriated our contributions to the climate change hoax....


every day I ask myself why do this farming thing when everyone takes advantage of you on every possible thing related to farming....Fuel and fertilizer are both made in Saskatchewan ....sure everyone says phos comes from the states.... on a backhaul.... very few fertilizer cars leave saskatchewan empty...

Just a rant this cold morning .... Reply With Quote
Jan 9, 2019 | 09:00 19 Top Varieties of Barley in Sask in 2017:

Copeland - registered in 1999 - 22.5% insured acres
Metcalfe - registered in 1997 - 21.3 % insured acres

Why did our farm send thousands of $ to Sask Barley when we're still seeding a 20 year old variety? Reply With Quote
Jan 9, 2019 | 09:02 20
Quote Originally Posted by farming101 View Post
Top Varieties of Barley in Sask in 2017:

Copeland - registered in 1999 - 22.5% insured acres
Metcalfe - registered in 1997 - 21.3 % insured acres

Why did our farm send thousands of $ to Sask Barley when we're still seeding a 20 year old variety?
so the directors could go on trips
and it will cost money to change the names of these two varieties and derigister these old ones so seed tax can be applied Reply With Quote
Jan 9, 2019 | 17:21 21 Barley is an example of functionality dictating the variety.

I agree the majority do not want a seed tax. My point is this, I expect it is coming, I expect we have no choice.

Negotiate the best deal for producers.

Otherwise my guess is we will get nothing but a higher cost of seed. Reply With Quote