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Austranada's Avatar Jan 5, 2019 | 21:41 31
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
It's all been discussed ad nauseam.
Sorry to hear you're nauseous. Bayer makes a product called Berocca. They recommend you use it everyday. Reply With Quote
Jan 5, 2019 | 21:53 32 And here I thought this thread was about the value of pot and the users in BC ...
you know those Trudeau supporters an all ... 😂 Reply With Quote
Jan 5, 2019 | 21:57 33 Fruit and vegetable?
Truduea and Trump? Reply With Quote
helmsdale's Avatar Jan 5, 2019 | 22:52 34
Quote Originally Posted by workboots View Post
It just seems strange to suggest that the solution to phosphorous availability and crop needs for the next 100 years is simply use what is available.

A test of average soil P ppm available/not available, compared to the removal would show the validity of this claim.

Is this the best solution going in the organics world for covering the Phos needs?
"Organic phosphate"... taking the raw phosphate mined out of the ground and dumping it on for 1 or 2 years in wild quantities is the organic industry answer...

Some guys are spreading 500-1000lb/ac with 3-5% being available the first year. Remainder being mineralized out of the very long term Reply With Quote
Jan 5, 2019 | 23:36 35
Quote Originally Posted by helmsdale View Post
"Organic phosphate"... taking the raw phosphate mined out of the ground and dumping it on for 1 or 2 years in wild quantities is the organic industry answer...

Some guys are spreading 500-1000lb/ac with 3-5% being available the first year. Remainder being mineralized out of the very long term
Another of the purely arbitrary rules of the organic industry, with no agronomic basis, and no measurable benefit or detriment to the end product. We need another rationale option in between. Reply With Quote
Austranada's Avatar Jan 6, 2019 | 00:35 36
Quote Originally Posted by Austranada View Post
If organic or regenerative farming (Gabe Brown for example) is one extreme do you have the courage to describe what's wrong with the other extreme (mainstream ag). Your secateurs appear to be mysteriously sharp when cutting down the former then just as amazingly get dull when defending the latter. It really isn't productive to be a subjective fence sitter.
As farma kindly pointed out let's focus on what's right then. The original question was asked of you. What's right with the other extreme or are you nauseous as well ?
Is this a "don't ask don't tell" scenario like the pesticide thread no one had the courage to respond to? Reply With Quote
Jan 6, 2019 | 01:51 37
Quote Originally Posted by Austranada View Post
like the pesticide thread no one had the courage to respond to?
Damn you are special. Post something in a dead forum and then use a lack of response ad nauseum as proof that you are an idiot. Reply With Quote
Austranada's Avatar Jan 6, 2019 | 03:30 38
Quote Originally Posted by JoeyJeremiah View Post
Damn you are special. Post something in a dead forum and then use a lack of response ad nauseum as proof that you are an idiot.
Gday JJ
2 posts per year. Make better use of them Reply With Quote
wd9
Jan 6, 2019 | 07:07 39 Thought the resolution was not to feed the trolls? Reply With Quote
Jan 6, 2019 | 09:29 40 Austranada when you have health issues do you go to a university educated doctor or a herbal doctor? Do you take medication scientifically engineered or do you rely on alternative forms? If diagnosed with a serious illness like cancer would you accept a fighting chance remedy or would it be tomatoes and marijuana?

Just asking because you are dead against anything progressive and that's ok because that's your choice. Why ram it down everyone else's throat though. You seem to be here to cause problems instead of intelligent debate. Reply With Quote
Jan 6, 2019 | 09:59 41 The thing with austranadia is it is young enough to think it knows everything. When in fact some of us who have farmed from the fifties have forgotten more than it actually knows. Reply With Quote
Jan 6, 2019 | 10:25 42
Quote Originally Posted by binthere View Post
The thing with austranadia is it is young enough to think it knows everything. When in fact some of us who have farmed from the fifties have forgotten more than it actually knows.
it's smoking pot in it's mom and dad's basement , playing games with anyone who will interact and wasting a lot of space on here
wd9 has the answer Reply With Quote
Jan 6, 2019 | 11:02 43
Quote Originally Posted by wd9 View Post
Thought the resolution was not to feed the trolls?
Yes, fair enough. I keep thinking that this poster actually has something constructive to offer, and that this is a conversation worth having, but somehow with this poster, we just can't get past the riddles and insults, to ever get any useful solutions. Reply With Quote
wd9
Jan 6, 2019 | 17:34 44
Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
Yes, fair enough. I keep thinking that this poster actually has something constructive to offer, and that this is a conversation worth having, but somehow with this poster, we just can't get past the riddles and insults, to ever get any useful solutions.
That is exactly what makes a professional troll. Advertisers love them because when you get angry, you will pay attention and remember the ads more-so then without. Some sites even pay to have the interaction occur which then generates even more ad revenue. Reply With Quote
Jan 6, 2019 | 18:11 45 Saskatchewan has historically been woefully deficient in selineum, almost none; and continues to be. I spoke to a PHD student from NYC who told me about her dissertation re nutritional-values in food. Regional. International. Comparative. She was quite amazed at the prevelance of multiple sclerosis in Saskatchewan; the lack of selenium in patients suffering from. MS, and the absence of it in our soils.

Thought I'd mention her comments as I found them interesting. Pars Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 00:27 46
Quote Originally Posted by parsley View Post
Saskatchewan has historically been woefully deficient in selineum, almost none; and continues to be. I spoke to a PHD student from NYC who told me about her dissertation re nutritional-values in food. Regional. International. Comparative. She was quite amazed at the prevelance of multiple sclerosis in Saskatchewan; the lack of selenium in patients suffering from. MS, and the absence of it in our soils.

Thought I'd mention her comments as I found them interesting. Pars
I don’t see how our own soil selenium correlates when most canadians have a diet rich with imported food?

Vitamin D deficiency or lack of sunlight exposure has a far more measurable correlation to MS. Maybe a V.d deficiency is causing lack of selineum absorption.

This is proven true with calcium and V. d deficiency.

Every Canadian should be supplementing V. d during the winter months.

Quoted from the link below:

“ Vitamin D has other roles in the body, including modulation of cell growth, neuromuscular and immune function, and reduction of inflammation [1,3,4]. Many genes encoding proteins that regulate cell proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis are modulated in part by vitamin D [1]. Many cells have vitamin D receptors, and some convert 25(OH)D to 1,25(OH)2D.“


https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/ Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 00:47 47
Quote Originally Posted by parsley View Post
Saskatchewan has historically been woefully deficient in selineum, almost none; and continues to be. I spoke to a PHD student from NYC who told me about her dissertation re nutritional-values in food. Regional. International. Comparative. She was quite amazed at the prevelance of multiple sclerosis in Saskatchewan; the lack of selenium in patients suffering from. MS, and the absence of it in our soils.

Thought I'd mention her comments as I found them interesting. Pars
The veterinary industry is way ahead of the curve. Out here in west central AB, on the grey wooded soils, it is well known that our soils are desperately short on Selenium ( and most every other nutrient), we have to add Selenium to the salt and minerals, at rates well above the maximum allowed level, in years past before feeding vitamins was common, calves needed a shot of Selenium within a few days, or even immediately after birth or else many would get white muscle disease. Last year when we couldn't source vitamins due to the shortage, we had no end of trouble with calves, and inexplicable cow problems too, reverted back to giving the calves a shot at birth and had no more calf problems.

It often amazes me that we seem to know exactly what a cow, pig, chicken, dog cat etc. is meant to eat, and what to feed them to get what outcomes, we test and analyze their feed, yet remain strangely conflicted about what humans are meant to eat. Reply With Quote
Austranada's Avatar Jan 7, 2019 | 07:11 48 https://sustainablepulse.com/2018/10/25/organic-food-consumption-lowers-overall-cancer-risks-in-large-scale-study-of-french-adults/#.XDNDdFwzbIU Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 07:41 49 The truth about organic food and cancer | Popular Science
https://www.popsci.com › organic-food-c... Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jan 7, 2019 | 07:42 50 Quote from link.

"After noting the strengths and weaknesses of the NutriNet-Santé study, and comparable results from other large-scale studies of diet-health outcomes (e.g. Million Women Study), Hemler et al. write “the relationship between organic food consumption and cancer is still unclear,” a key point that is hard to argue with.

As expected, they call for more research, and in particular, similar studies with a more rigorous method for quantifying pesticide dietary exposure and cancer risk, coupled with careful control of possible confounding factors. Solid and sound advice." Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 07:47 51 No, Organic Food Doesn't Reduce Cancer Risk. That's Biologically ...
https://www.acsh.org › news › 2018/10/22 Reply With Quote
wd9
Jan 7, 2019 | 15:09 52 After spending 12$ on a dozen eggs, they can't afford to buy smokes. Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 17:46 53
Quote Originally Posted by wd9 View Post
Thought the resolution was not to feed the trolls?
add that user to your ignore list. works well. Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 19:37 54
Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
The veterinary industry is way ahead of the curve. Out here in west central AB, on the grey wooded soils, it is well known that our soils are desperately short on Selenium ( and most every other nutrient), we have to add Selenium to the salt and minerals, at rates well above the maximum allowed level, in years past before feeding vitamins was common, calves needed a shot of Selenium within a few days, or even immediately after birth or else many would get white muscle disease. Last year when we couldn't source vitamins due to the shortage, we had no end of trouble with calves, and inexplicable cow problems too, reverted back to giving the calves a shot at birth and had no more calf problems.

It often amazes me that we seem to know exactly what a cow, pig, chicken, dog cat etc. is meant to eat, and what to feed them to get what outcomes, we test and analyze their feed, yet remain strangely conflicted about what humans are meant to eat.
WHite muscle disease is a good reminder for me. Thanks, Alberta Farmer.

In NZ, pregnant mothers are tested for nutrients in their systems, and prescribed accordingly. Would be beneficial if all Cndn families could purchase a small personal meter to measure their nutritive deficiencies at home. Cleft palates, for example, would be eliminated. pars Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 19:43 55 What is amazing, is that the work that farmers do, the varying foods you produce, has an amazing effect on Canadians; on humanity. A gratifying effect. That's big stuff. Pars Reply With Quote
Austranada's Avatar Jan 7, 2019 | 20:53 56
Quote Originally Posted by binthere View Post
No, Organic Food Doesn't Reduce Cancer Risk. That's Biologically ...
https://www.acsh.org › news › 2018/10/22
Ahh, the ACSH, yes. George W. endorses them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM Reply With Quote
Jan 7, 2019 | 21:10 57 If you starve to death you will never be alive to be sick from whatever. Reply With Quote
Austranada's Avatar Jan 7, 2019 | 23:45 58
Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
If you starve to death you will never be alive to be sick from whatever.
Is that you George? Reply With Quote
Austranada's Avatar Jan 10, 2019 | 18:19 59
Quote Originally Posted by sk_wheatking View Post
Austranada when you have health issues do you go to a university educated doctor or a herbal doctor? Do you take medication scientifically engineered or do you rely on alternative forms? If diagnosed with a serious illness like cancer would you accept a fighting chance remedy or would it be tomatoes and marijuana?

Just asking because you are dead against anything progressive and that's ok because that's your choice. Why ram it down everyone else's throat though. You seem to be here to cause problems instead of intelligent debate.
Shall I repost some of your less than intelligent responses from other threads?

http://www.bionutrient.org/site/news/nutrient-dense-crops Reply With Quote