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Nov 6, 2018 | 04:58 1 With the absolute ignorance and arrogance of the farm groups lately between the pulse market and the gifts given to the railways and processors with little to no acknowledgement of the contributions made by primary producers who would like their check off money back?

just a little survey..

I am a producer who would like my saskpulse checkoff back....

both saskpulse and pulse canada have the same people patting themselves on the back for sitting on their thumbs.....markets are the shits and they are receiving more more money to do SFA...meanwhile a processor get 100 million to repair a railway they bought...a buck a bushel subsidy for 10 years ...primary producer gets nothing...

The protein superclusterfuck and the primary producer gets nothing...a billion and counting...

The railways are gifted the grain cars and the primary producer doesn't get reduced rates , on the contrary, rates are indexed up....

No one is representing us ...why fund them.... Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Nov 6, 2018 | 05:27 2 I agree on getting our checkoff money back. I can't figure out how the Pulse checkoff is mandatory and no way to get back.

I guess not growing peas is the answer.

These groups are just yes men and do nothing for farmers.

Useless groups. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 05:49 3 I do and if it isn't law it should be that we be asked first before someone steals our money.
I don't see politicians having a deduction on their checks for research into how they can make more money in the future, They just give themselves raises, but for us this research ends up costing us amd providing society cheaper food. Society needs to pay for it. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Nov 6, 2018 | 07:04 4 Post the links to the different orgs and deadlines. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 07:33 5 Sask flax is August 31 with the refund by October 31....they have to verify that they took the fucking money...they fucking well know they took it...it doesn't take two months to get it off my grain cheque... Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 07:35 6 Saskpulse is mandatory and non refundable....you aint getting that money back....fuck sakes I could have bought two sets of tires for my half tons with that money and got more value... Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 07:39 7 Saskwheat is also August 31...with a december deadline for refund... Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 07:47 8 sask canola is August 31 as well with all your I's dotted and T's crossed.....fucking no one asks for money they just expect it and take it...

It should have a maximum levy....I don't think a guy growing a single variety on 2000 acres gets 10 times more benefit than a guy growing 200 acres.... Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 08:34 9 Quit growing peas here. We don't pay any checkoff now

Everyone should know that the WGRF received just under 2 million in royalty payments in 2017 as their share of return on investment in new variety development. About 6.2% of all revenues

You can claim a tax credit for a portion of the checkoff

The top varieties of peas grown in SK do not have plant breeders rights Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 08:41 10
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
Saskwheat is also August 31...with a december deadline for refund...
If you sold Aug 1st 2018 applied for refund Aug 31st 2019 got refund Dec 31st 2019 that would be 18 months just like waiting for final CWB payment only with no interm payments. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 08:59 11 I would like mine back. I didn't grow and pulses last year. This year the pulses I grew won't cover the bills that it took to grow them.
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Nov 6, 2018 | 17:31 12 I do not want my levy back. On any commodity I grow. Its an investment in the industry that does bring some value despite all the negative comments on here.
The pulse levy was established in 1985 by a producer vote. It was mandatory for two reasons: so the association would have secure funds to invest in things important to producers (agronomy and plant breeding back then) and secondly so that everyone who grows pulses, and benefits, pays. A review a few years ago found that a majority of producers still want it that way.
Probably nothing can be said here that will change the thinking of those that are against the current levy/commodity system.
What variety of peas did you grow? Except for Carver and Lacombe, pretty much all the rest were paid for by those of us paying the levy.
Would the dockage issue in China have got sorted out without the canola council input? Or the blackleg issue before that?

Take your money out. And with no shortage of market access issues in every commodity, where does the money come from to brief govt departments and trade representatives on the details of possible solutions?

It’s short sighted imo. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 18:04 13 the leeches living off the primary producers will gladly tell them the money has quit flowing....

AGT just extracted 100 million out the government on a used rail line with zero performance standards...

Not to mention AGT's constant government drip of money as businessman of the world....or having partners that are questionable...thats a government handout.

Or the gift of railcars without lower freight rates....the fucking railways could just rail those cars to a scrap yard and make money ...thats a government handout.

What is short sighted is the years of saskpulse and the same people on pulse canada not looking for markets to infill in the event India closes the border...

But make the saskpulse checkoff refundable ...then you will see if primary producers are happy with Saskpulse direction...and the 1.7 million annually to pulse canada to thumb sit....

This industry will never be successful if primary producers are not making money...

What about centennial peas that were a complete dud....

Just once someone answer the question about the triffid event in flax when it was ultimately the breeders that fucked it all up...who paid?

With mandatory checkoffs , whether they can be refunded or not,, comes responsibility ....or maybe that is too far sighted for your comprehension????
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Nov 6, 2018 | 18:05 14 .. and where are the online forms to fill out? apparently you have to call them for the forms. trying to make it as difficult as possible. Complete nonsense. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 18:12 15
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.. and where are the online forms to fill out? apparently you have to call them for the forms. trying to make it as difficult as possible. Complete nonsense.
No one filled out my forms to take the fucking money off my grain cheque ...it was automatic...the election to send money to any checkoff should be made at the point of cheque writing...yes or no to deductions....

Here is why....I don't think if you grow 200 acres or 2000 acres that your contribution gets 10 times the value....

So as much as I despise checkoffs how about a limit?

There is a compromise... too far sighted again????
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Nov 6, 2018 | 18:30 16 Whats the big deal about questioning the direction of my checkoff dollars....if it bothers people to be asked questions and be held accountable then give the money back and I won't ask....I will go buy some tires for the half ton...better value...


Call me short sighted....sure am....but it was pulse canada that dropped the ball for not ensuring an infill market when India closed the border....not me...

Now we get to be told our lentils are poison even though CGC could have been testing as the whispers started about this....and pulse canada could have asked IF they were paying attention to anything but where the next steak dinner was... Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 18:46 17
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
No one filled out my forms to take the fucking money off my grain cheque ...it was automatic...the election to send money to any checkoff should be made at the point of cheque writing...yes or no to deductions....

Here is why....I don't think if you grow 200 acres or 2000 acres that your contribution gets 10 times the value....

So as much as I despise checkoffs how about a limit?

There is a compromise... too far sighted again????
As I said not likely anything can be said to change your mind...

Check some facts tho-the work on feed peas and pea fractions used in vermicelli noodles was done and funded by Pulse Canada-in 2004-when they were importing virtually zero. How many peas did China buy last year? 1.89 mil tonnes from Canada. A lot of effort has gone into protein, fractionation,utilization and incorporation in N A food products. Takes a long time and not everything is successful. But three or four plants in western Canada are built or being built to fraction peas.

Not every variety is a winner despite the testing and selection leading up to release-I agree. But what about some of the really good ones? Meadow, Amarillo, and Spectrum? All from the same program.

The scale argument has never made any sense. Unless you only grow a good variety like Meadow on the 200 Ac and grow one you developed yourself on the other 1800.
Every acre and every tonne benefits. The pissing match of who contributed more is a child’s argument.

So sorry your glass is always half empty. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 19:03 18
Quote Originally Posted by Quadtrack View Post
As I said not likely anything can be said to change your mind...

Check some facts tho-the work on feed peas and pea fractions used in vermicelli noodles was done and funded by Pulse Canada-in 2004-when they were importing virtually zero. How many peas did China buy last year? 1.89 mil tonnes from Canada. A lot of effort has gone into protein, fractionation,utilization and incorporation in N A food products. Takes a long time and not everything is successful. But three or four plants in western Canada are built or being built to fraction peas.

Not every variety is a winner despite the testing and selection leading up to release-I agree. But what about some of the really good ones? Meadow, Amarillo, and Spectrum? All from the same program.

The scale argument has never made any sense. Unless you only grow a good variety like Meadow on the 200 Ac and grow one you developed yourself on the other 1800.
Every acre and every tonne benefits. The pissing match of who contributed more is a child’s argument.

So sorry your glass is always half empty.
BTW the plants being built are taxpayer funded to an extent....Roquette is back on track but the delays have been for design excuses but more than likely some more favourable tax breaks....

Just make the saskpulse checkoff refundable and I will quit bitching. ...don't like my questions. ...send me my money. ...pretty simple. ...I see incompetence....I don't like it and if you read other's comments you would recognize you are the minority..... Reply With Quote
iceman's Avatar Nov 6, 2018 | 19:03 19 Preach bucket preach

I would like my pulse check off dollars back. Let’s call it what it is. It’s just another tax that is all. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 19:45 20
Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
Preach bucket preach

I would like my pulse check off dollars back. Let’s call it what it is. It’s just another tax that is all.
agreed , as the old saying goes , if the shoe fits , wear it .
all they had to do was pretend they cared about the India tariff
told the hmf there that peas were were $10 in austrailia , he didn't know , didn't care
they could of arranged a boat load to go there, help us out a bit Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 19:57 21 Hey quadtrack...
Do you notice what's going on here?


The peasants are getting pissed while you elites think you know better than the rest of us.....

Not painting us with the same brush but I notice a trend here....maybe call a few of your director buddies to defend their incompetence....

We wouldn't be discussing this if the board was listening instead of telling....
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farmaholic's Avatar Nov 6, 2018 | 20:06 22
Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
Preach bucket preach

I would like my pulse check off dollars back. Let’s call it what it is. It’s just another tax that is all.
Otzi, ironically "levy" is a synonym for tax. Levy doesn't sound as harsh as tax. Maybe calling it an "involuntary .67% tithe" would sound even better.

Give them some credit for reducing the levy, err tax, by a third. I think there is some value in grower orgs, but they shouldn't lose sight of the people they are supposed to serve.

I dislike the concept of the trickle down affect(not a very abundant sounding term), where Primary Producers are supposed to "benefit" from the crumbs that get brushed off the "Altar" the rest of the Industry is feasting at.

But let's be thankful that the fractionation plants will provide another market for "some" pulses. Maybe A&W can resurrect their "plant based protien" burger if there is a large enough supply of ingredients for them to do it. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 22:34 23 Bucket ! Like !

What you say is exactly whats going on in this industry ! Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 22:41 24
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
the leeches living off the primary producers will gladly tell them the money has quit flowing....

AGT just extracted 100 million out the government on a used rail line with zero performance standards...

Not to mention AGT's constant government drip of money as businessman of the world....or having partners that are questionable...thats a government handout.

Or the gift of railcars without lower freight rates....the fucking railways could just rail those cars to a scrap yard and make money ...thats a government handout.

What is short sighted is the years of saskpulse and the same people on pulse canada not looking for markets to infill in the event India closes the border...

But make the saskpulse checkoff refundable ...then you will see if primary producers are happy with Saskpulse direction...and the 1.7 million annually to pulse canada to thumb sit....

This industry will never be successful if primary producers are not making money...

What about centennial peas that were a complete dud....

Just once someone answer the question about the triffid event in flax when it was ultimately the breeders that fucked it all up...who paid?

With mandatory checkoffs , whether they can be refunded or not,, comes responsibility ....or maybe that is too far sighted for your comprehension????

Let’s goto annual meeting in January and pass a motion to change the check off to refundable. If it is past there, what can they do but succumb to the wishes of the producers? If they don’t, we’ll impeach them. 👍 Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Nov 6, 2018 | 22:56 25 Pea Protien isolate is the second ingredient, after water, in A&W's "Beyond Meat" burger.

Ingredients are usually listed in order of most to least volume.

I believe they process yellows at the fractionation plants. I've seen $7 bids for yellows and some stipulate no preharvest gly., got to wonder if they were headed there. Some plants may require organic peas, I wonder if there would be enough organic pea stocks for those plants if the market really takes off.

Edit in, I would much rather eat one of those burgers than the pink slime test tube or lab grown meat burgers. I seriously think that is going to be an impossible sell.
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farmaholic's Avatar Nov 6, 2018 | 23:08 26
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
Let’s goto annual meeting in January and pass a motion to change the check off to refundable. If it is past there, what can they do but succumb to the wishes of the producers? If they don’t, we’ll impeach them. 👍
Wouldnt it make more sense to have every pulse grower vote via electronic or mail in ballot than just those attending the AGM.

What percentage of the other Orgs refundable levy actually gets applied for a refund? I bet it's small. Reply With Quote
Nov 6, 2018 | 23:31 27 If you crazy bastards are proposing a tax revolt because there's legislation requiring producers to pay a levy to a board.... I'm in. Fuck the fucking fuckers. I'll supply the torches Reply With Quote
Nov 7, 2018 | 06:39 28
Quote Originally Posted by Quadtrack View Post
As I said not likely anything can be said to change your mind...

Check some facts tho-the work on feed peas and pea fractions used in vermicelli noodles was done and funded by Pulse Canada-in 2004-when they were importing virtually zero. How many peas did China buy last year? 1.89 mil tonnes from Canada. A lot of effort has gone into protein, fractionation,utilization and incorporation in N A food products. Takes a long time and not everything is successful. But three or four plants in western Canada are built or being built to fraction peas.

Not every variety is a winner despite the testing and selection leading up to release-I agree. But what about some of the really good ones? Meadow, Amarillo, and Spectrum? All from the same program.

The scale argument has never made any sense. Unless you only grow a good variety like Meadow on the 200 Ac and grow one you developed yourself on the other 1800.
Every acre and every tonne benefits. The pissing match of who contributed more is a child’s argument.

So sorry your glass is always half empty.
I enjoy your picking of some points. ...really like the scale argument about developing my own variety....tell that to the private label varieties developed for processors that never paid the full development costs and were only grown by selected and connected growers to benefit themselves....that's right checkoff money for a select few....

Maybe you could comment on who pays for industry fuck ups like the flax thing...government quickly imposed testing procedures at producers costs....not one breeder picked up primary producers costs....and saskflax took care of the breeders as opposed to the people they are to represent that pay the checkoff....hint here...the primary producer....

Pick and choose your highlights of the industry...or call me negative. ....but I will continue to explain the reality of farming to you and the rest of your elite friends. ...it's not all sunshine and lollipops as you would like to describe....maybe because you haven't witnessed the harsh reality of farming yet.....
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Nov 7, 2018 | 07:03 29 But to continue..I can tell you who it is sunshine and lollipops for...

1. The new owners of the churchill rail line ...100 million and counting lollipop...

2. The railways who were gifted sub scrap priced railcars...and easy double lollipop..

3. Any secondary industry with an excuse for government funding....


Meanwhile as the people on boards can't see the parallels of ..if you are going to subsidize secondary industries ...you might want to ask on behalf of the primary producers you represent for the same level of funding....

When the auto sector was bailed out....cough here because chrysler had theirs written off the other day....Canada helped the sector out proportionately with the US ....to save the sector...

So when Canada and farm groups see a US adhoc payment made and doesn't have the sense to ask for the same reasons.....its very disheartening to think farm groups are looking out for primary producers....

The US adhoc payment is well over 1.50cdn per bushel on soybeans which has directly impacted the canola price.....that and the shit harvest with high green counts here in Canada...

So where are these guys that appoint themselves to the board heads at when they ignore simple facts impacting our markets????? Reply With Quote
Nov 7, 2018 | 07:15 30 Disclaimer: To date I have never requested checkoff money back....

But after the Saskpulse election....cough here....coronation of new directors because others can't see past their nose....I am beginning to understand why we are where we are in this industry with poor prices and movement..

Although with the latest penny increase in red lentil prices ...I have to think someone knows something...

My checkoff dollars also are used for grainco lobbying for their markets....thats a big lollipop...why....because they don't use their money and they get to know market changes and intelligence before the checkoff contributors..hint here ...primary producers. Reply With Quote