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Aug 8, 2018 | 21:42 1 Sitting on the fence open for comments.

One of our news/current affair/political shows on TV was talking about politics worldwide debacle in UK with brexit then alternative is corbyn,german parliment a dogs breakfast australia in no mans land seemingly neither conservative or socialistic.

Then one piped up and said look no further than north america USA right wing and will continue Canada very left wing. I thought of you guys and many comments on both sides.

At the end of the day they decided maybe australia isnt so bad with middle ground.

Who know politics world wide seemingly is a popularity contest nowadays rather than good policy.

I actually prefer to have a left or a right at least you know were they stand this middle ground stuff nothing gets done. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Aug 8, 2018 | 23:10 2 I think this current Canadian Government is an open wound on Canada's International reputation....if re-elected they will leave a permanent scar.

Goodness it's hard to fathom the old cliche that "people get the Government they deserve". Does Canada and it's people really deserve what we got? Did the Lib voters expect it to be this bad or did they get blindsided? Reply With Quote
Aug 8, 2018 | 23:40 3
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
I think this current Canadian Government is an open wound on Canada's International reputation....if re-elected they will leave a permanent scar.

Goodness it's hard to fathom the old cliche that "people get the Government they deserve". Does Canada and it's people really deserve what we got? Did the Lib voters expect it to be this bad or did they get blindsided?
I am still stunned that there are no old liberal cronies pulling clown boy aside and at the least giving him some direction.
He has not grown up at all. The only thing that was in his favour is that he knows how to behave in public. This comes from being good looking and a product of an affluent family. He is fucking that up everytime he visits a different country.
He chose his cabinet on ideologies. Ideologies do not pay the bills, improve trade or solve problems. Our parade marshal has work to do and that doesn’t even click in his head. I find it unbelievable our population allows him to continue to function as Prime Minister of this country.

My general opinion on the USA, the right and left have gone to the extremes. This is toxic and will leas to more bizarre public conflict. The “Us vs. Them” identity labelling creates even more polarization. Mainstream and social media encourages this. Peace and harmony has lost public favour. conflict, strife, disasters, war, chaos is the new entertainment in the US.
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Aug 9, 2018 | 06:08 4
Quote Originally Posted by malleefarmer View Post
....Canada very left wing......
I'd say Canada mildly left wing it's really a centrist platform other than if you see it so far out on the right wing that you thing it's so far away. Very left wing would see wide spread nationalization of industry, with unions running the country as happened in the UK in the 70s. Not the case here by any stretch of the imagination. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Aug 9, 2018 | 06:48 5 Its so stupid left it's not even funny.

We have an idiot that I gave a chance and after 6 months just called him by his real name Idiot.

The liberal party is pigs and the coffers are full with JT bringing in cash for the liberal brass. He has also got rid of most of the old guard.

Sad the sun of Satan is worse than he was.

Oh, grass for you Foreigners that came over here the satan I talk about was Trudeau number one. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 07:10 6 No kidding, SF3. Political politics aren’t far behind. Insanity reigns supreme! Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 07:43 7 I don't believe we have moved left . The U.S. is being pushed right by Trump and the comparison gives the impression that Canada is moving left. The scars Trump will leave make Trudeau look like an Angel. The Saudis were looking for a whipping boy so they picked a country they do a small amount of trade with. If they continue they will be viewed a pariah by the civilized world. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Aug 9, 2018 | 07:53 8 Wow ag star is all I can say. Wow Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 07:53 9
Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
I don't believe we have moved left . The U.S. is being pushed right by Trump and the comparison gives the impression that Canada is moving left. The scars Trump will leave make Trudeau look like an Angel. The Saudis were looking for a whipping boy so they picked a country they do a small amount of trade with. If they continue they will be viewed a pariah by the civilized world.
The Saudis didn't pick this fight...Trudeau's minions did...but the Saudis will definitely lay some hurt on this government.


Much like when I see parents in public with kids ...I don't comment because I don't know there instances ...and learning from my kids there is a good reason why it gets to a boiling point...non of my business but sometimes a kind smile or a conversation quietly can ease the stress....

Twitter and Facebook are gossip tools....no way to run the business of the canadian government. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 08:04 10 The Saudi leadership knows they are fighting a losing battle in world opinion. that is why they have attacked Canada. They have been subjected to more intense criticism before but have not reacted. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Aug 9, 2018 | 08:07 11 Fuck I just spit my coffee out,

It’s 160% Canada’s fault.

Liberals are so stupid Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 08:14 12
Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
The Saudi leadership knows they are fighting a losing battle in world opinion. that is why they have attacked Canada. They have been subjected to more intense criticism before but have not reacted.

If I (bucket) came to your farm and told you(agstar77) every thing you were doing wrong from my perspective and made it public.....chances are, agstar77 would at the first chance, lay a public beating on bucket....

So let's put this in perspective. ..If Trudeau (canada) publicly offends another country (Saudi Arabia) on their practices right or wrong....that country would probably be pissed....

Trudeau has no muscle in this fight....
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Aug 9, 2018 | 08:22 13 The Libs here are put off by Trump, and think Trudum is much better, and are certain the Dum will win next election. He’ll definitely get all immigrant votes. Singh will win in Burnaby, so NDP May split vote. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 08:22 14 It almost makes me laugh when I think back to the last election and Justin and the Liberals all gitty with winning and cheering “ Canada’s back Canada’s back”
Back from being respected in the World to the point of being laughed at. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 08:50 15 Heard Frank McKenna on the radio(Roy Green Show) about a month or more ago, former Liberal premier of New Brunswick for 10 years.

The man is still a Liberal, but sounded like such an adult, and so intelligent, compared young Trudeau, it was a good reminder of where Liberals used to be, on the political scale. I believe the subject was the illegal economic migrates entering Canada,,,at will. He was very critical of Trudeau, and the new Liberal government policy of letting these migrants in the country.

Have also heard Jon Manley on the radio, who also sounded like an adult,,,critical of Trudeau, and where he's taking the Liberal party and the country.

BTW aggie, Trump is not that far right leaning, he's not even close to R. Reagan, give me a break. Cripe, Trump used to be a Democrat, and was helping Hillary as recently as 10 years ago. Democrats are moving left at break neck speed. Bernie Sanders and his new protégé, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are full on communist, self describing as socialist. This is how Trump gets re-elected for a second term ! Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 08:51 16 So no one should criticize another government on social issues. You would have been the one to say the German persecution of dissenters during the 30's was okay being cause they would not like it? There is a price to pay for Human Rights. I guess you are not willing to pay it. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 08:54 17 It started with a tweet. A public tweet. Tweeting is not diplomacy. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 13:49 18 That must be a copy of all Trump's Tweets. Those have insulted a lot more people. I guess that is OK if you are the big bully on the block. They should not use tweets for policy. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 14:04 19
Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
So no one should criticize another government on social issues. You would have been the one to say the German persecution of dissenters during the 30's was okay being cause they would not like it? There is a price to pay for Human Rights. I guess you are not willing to pay it.

Here is the difference agstar77....the countries were prepared to go to war over the atrocities in germany...

You have to have the muscle behind you to make sure you can carry thru...as a leader its always good to look behind and see if anyone is following you. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 14:30 20 Maybe i agree with grassfarmer canada is left leaning.

New Zealand same France the same scandanavain countries similar.

So why are conservative right leaning or ultra right govt and policy on the nose around the world?

Example here in aust we have supposedly most expensive electricity in the world.

We have a so called conservative govt in power but the prime minister/leader got knifed and replaced by a moderate conservative type who is kinda pro climate change renewables etc etc to get the middle ground and swinging voters.

Previous PM who got replaced mid term as i mentioned was pro coal pro oil pro bussiness pro farmers pro manufacturing, small govt debt reducing "old school" conservative.

But now many think we are voting for a left leaning conservative govt and there is a rise of small right wing candidtaes who take away votes from conservatives and the left side will get in next time.

The spat between canada and suadiis made news here but on a ag show saying can be nothing but good for aussie farmers meaning we will fill the void sorry guys Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 14:33 21 No they were not prepared to go to war until one of them was invaded. They turned a blind eye to persecution in Germany. That led to an emboldened Germany that tried to impose it's culture on the rest of the world. Do you not think the people who brought you 911 could be that malevolent? Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 15:22 22 What about the humanitarian concerns in North Korea, China, the treatment of white landowners in South Africa, Zimbabwe, the gassing of Kurds in Iraq and countless other humanitarian disasters over the years - should we not have commented on any of them as they were "none of our business" either? Is it preferable to withdraw into a shell of isolationism and never speak up for fear the transnational corporations operating here might lose a dollar - I think not.
If it had been up to me I'd have stopped dealing with the Saudis a long time ago. Selling them arms while they are the biggest backers of anti-western terrorists in the world is crazy. It says something about the collective values of western (world) politicians of all parties that they have given them a free pass on moral standards because they are sitting on a pool of oil. Without that they'd just be riding their camels and selling dirty postcards. Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Aug 9, 2018 | 18:10 23 "with unions running the country as happened in the UK in the 70s. Not the case here by any stretch of the imagination."

OK, I'll only give Grass half marks because of this part.

My son was booked to a week at summer camp by his mom without looking at the itinerary.
Paid for completely by AUPE.
Ok so i read the program.....
A week of labor indoctrination with a little canoeing tossed in.
Sing the union song before breakfast every day. Learn how to organize a Local.
These kids 12 yrs old.
Now you might say a summer camp with a little Christian Ed is the same thing, but I beg to differ all day long.
How far behind the UK are we really?? Post war they were rather poor. But how much longer here before we take 'inclusivity' and solidarity too far???
Too many takers and not enough makers already in my opinion. Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Aug 9, 2018 | 18:16 24 Gee, I agree with grass again.
Why do we need Saudi oil???
Camels and dirty postcards eh?? Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 18:25 25 Blackpowder, You've not got to the stage of leaving the dead unburied, the garbage uncollected or the hospitals only taking real emergency cases because the ancillary staff were on the picket lines outside. There was months on end of this in the Winter of Discontent in the UK.
This was what Margaret Thatcher had to turn around when she came to power. I lived through it and supported her and voted for her all the way - yet fools on here that don't know what left wing is label me a communist. Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Aug 9, 2018 | 19:17 26 Easy big fella, I merely dont want for us what you had. Some on here would benefit from uk's experience.
I know a Brit who lived through it b4 he came here. Very successful and hyper aware of the dangers here. Reply With Quote
Aug 9, 2018 | 20:37 27 It's Ok blackpowder that last comment wasn't aimed at you! Reply With Quote
Aug 10, 2018 | 11:23 28
Quote Originally Posted by grassfarmer View Post
What about the humanitarian concerns in North Korea, China, the treatment of white landowners in South Africa, Zimbabwe, the gassing of Kurds in Iraq and countless other humanitarian disasters over the years - should we not have commented on any of them as they were "none of our business" either? Is it preferable to withdraw into a shell of isolationism and never speak up for fear the transnational corporations operating here might lose a dollar - I think not.
If it had been up to me I'd have stopped dealing with the Saudis a long time ago. Selling them arms while they are the biggest backers of anti-western terrorists in the world is crazy. It says something about the collective values of western (world) politicians of all parties that they have given them a free pass on moral standards because they are sitting on a pool of oil. Without that they'd just be riding their camels and selling dirty postcards.
Eisenhower warned of the power of the military industrial complex, not sure if he meant only that of the USA, or others as well. Seems we have ongoing war, without much real cause. Other than increased tech capability and money in rich people’s bank accounts. Reply With Quote