the 12 billion aid package

[bucket]

North Dakota senator said 1.65 on a bushel of soybeans....that's 2.14 cdn .....can you imagine what that would mean for canadian farmers with that type of support.

Don't forget the North Dakota farmer gets 50 bucks an acre for canola subsidy....


Where are our farm groups.....heard one on another thread talking about how they are the best to have farmers interests ...seems they are missing a beat on this one. Actually they all are.

[Oliver88]

Bucket, wiseguy,.....what is your ideal solution?

[bucket]

Its pretty simple....guys wanted an open market except they didn't realize the open market in the states also includes the injection of ad hoc government money....


Much like the last auto bailout where the government of canada matched the dollars proportionately , one would think that would be a good investment for ag in Canada as it will circulate anyway.

The steel industry extracted a commitment of 2 billion dollars. A capitalist based industry but still gets government support.

The government run CGC extracted a profit of 130 million out of farmers for grain the farmers didn't even own for christ sakes.

An Adhoc payment given the disaster in the pulse industry is key to helping the industry grow otherwise how can anyone support the hundreds of millions spent on R&D????

The R&D should be failing but thrives on government and farmer support but nothing for the commercial grower...

it doesn't make sense.

[bucket]

Tariff applied on steel ....government handout...

Auto sector in trouble ...government handout.

Bombardier on a steady intravenous drip of money...

Railways and grain cos get a good share of money as well.


Tariff on pulses. ....crickets

[Bowerpower]

Does it matter???? Helps short term but are they any better off long term. Any subsidy will end up in one place. Being recapitalized into land values eventually. Any profit a farm ever makes be it through good crop, prices, insurance coverages, subsidies eventually ends up with land and rent values increasing.

[Partners]

Any extra money in our pockets usually gets spent so it helps all other businesses to..so it's not just a handout to farmers..

[the big wheel]

Does it matter???? Helps short term but are they any better off long term. Any subsidy will end up in one place. Being recapitalized into land values eventually. Any profit a farm ever makes be it through good crop, prices, insurance coverages, subsidies eventually ends up with land and rent values increasing.

How have we got to this point where farmers are brainwashed into thinking they shouldn't get paid more because it will only make land higher etc.

Is that what doctors lawyers executives board members say oh don't give us our pay check because wenll just go spend it and cause inflation. Hahaha how nuts are we? And the money is not a windfall it's to make up what is lost due to trade issues transport issues etc.
Could you imagine if we told a politician umm because of unforeseen circumstances your wage is lowered but you really don't want what you be earned because it will just make things more expensive for you. Hahahaha honestly who did this brainwashing bulkshit on some of you????

What about the farmers in a drought or flood with poor crops shouldnt they not at least get the same price as all other farmers around the world that are getting subsidized????

[Bowerpower]

How have we got to this point where farmers are brainwashed into thinking they shouldn't get paid more because it will only make land higher etc.

Is that what doctors lawyers executives board members say oh don't give us our pay check because wenll just go spend it and cause inflation. Hahaha how nuts are we? And the money is not a windfall it's to make up what is lost due to trade issues transport issues etc.
Could you imagine if we told a politician umm because of unforeseen circumstances your wage is lowered but you really don't want what you be earned because it will just make things more expensive for you. Hahahaha honestly who did this brainwashing bulkshit on some of you????

What about the farmers in a drought or flood with poor crops shouldnt they not at least get the same price as all other farmers around the world that are getting subsidized????

How about controlling what you can. Planning for some bad years, saving a bit of money, not overbidding for land, stop buying expensive equipment. And really we are in a market driven business.
And profit is not a right when it comes to farming. Yes the rail shit needs to be changed but to ask for subsidies because of a tariff is a little rich. How about not overextending and realize not every year is going to be profitable.

[bucket]

As long as every other industry and country does the same...its a great idea.

They should have let GM fail right?

Look at the Sears bankruptcy for insight into that ...no pensions for 35 years work...Sears put no put money away.

Let the steel industry re align itself with the new reality right?

How about Bombardier just paying back one ****ing penny?

No new equipment , great idea,,,,,but think of what you might upgrade to in a few years...I can hardly get parts for a 1800 hours ten year old combine already and they don't have to make parts for them forever...

Be careful what you wish for and as far as market driven industry thats bullshit....12 billion is being invested thru the economy in the form of an aid package for farmers.

Every market industry gets a government payment ...every ****ing one...except primary production in western Canada.

[ajl]

No solution to the problem Bucket. Been that way for 40 years. Need to find a buyer for that overpriced Canadian land and start looking south of the border. Was some grain land (15000 acres or so) in central Montana about 60 miles NE of Billings for around $600 USD per acre back in the spring. Was due to come out of CRP in the next couple of years.

[pgluca]

How about controlling what you can. Planning for some bad years, saving a bit of money, not overbidding for land, stop buying expensive equipment. And really we are in a market driven business.
And profit is not a right when it comes to farming. Yes the rail shit needs to be changed but to ask for subsidies because of a tariff is a little rich. How about not overextending and realize not every year is going to be profitable.

Absolutely correct, it is about time this was emphasized on this forum. And subsidies do always end up getting capitalized into land values. This doesn't help much if you are trying to farm the land. Plus they often have some form of control or restrictions along with them that further distort the market.

Bucket is correct in that the governments concern for agriculture is not significant and that other industries are getting ad hoc subsidies, but that still doesn't make it the right solution. They just have more votes and more than ever that is what todays politics are all about...… at any cost.

Another more insidious feature of all types of subsidies is in a very short time people seem to change their management styles to rely on them as a back stop, instead of a more conservative "cover your own ass" style of management. As Bowerpower said a profit is not an entitlement, making a living or being a "Family Farm" is not an entitlement. Farming is an unforgiving business and if you want to take on large risks you must be prepared to occasionally handle a large failure.

[bucket]

Absolutely correct, it is about time this was emphasized on this forum. And subsidies do always end up getting capitalized into land values. This doesn't help much if you are trying to farm the land. Plus they often have some form of control or restrictions along with them that further distort the market.

Bucket is correct in that the governments concern for agriculture is not significant and that other industries are getting ad hoc subsidies, but that still doesn't make it the right solution. They just have more votes and more than ever that is what todays politics are all about...… at any cost.

Another more insidious feature of all types of subsidies is in a very short time people seem to change their management styles to rely on them as a back stop, instead of a more conservative "cover your own ass" style of management. As Bowerpower said a profit is not an entitlement, making a living or being a "Family Farm" is not an entitlement. Farming is an unforgiving business and if you want to take on large risks you must be prepared to occasionally handle a large failure.

Why does Bombardier get the entitlement then as a family business on a intravenous supply of money from the government? they should have been done years ago.

Same with graincos how do they not get harmed by railway incompetence?

[pgluca]

Why does Bombardier get the entitlement then as a family business on a intravenous supply of money from the government? they should have been done years ago.

Same with graincos how do they not get harmed by railway incompetence?

Well Bucket, two answers: Move to Quebec where special status is the norm. And be connected politically to the inner circles.

[bucket]

Well Bucket, two answers: Move to Quebec where special status is the norm. And be connected politically to the inner circles.

Yes well that's the right answer but a shitty one....lol.

But might explain the WCWGA members attitude about farming...since they are inner circle connected...which hole is another discussion....

[pgluca]

Why does Bombardier get the entitlement then as a family business on a intravenous supply of money from the government? they should have been done years ago.

Same with graincos how do they not get harmed by railway incompetence?

The grain companies get harmed but as a group they have a way to redistribute the pain.....to you!