Issues of 2018...what to do...

[bucket]

I have a few issues on my farm this year....need advice as to how to resolve them....

1. The roundup and Blackhawk did SFA to the kochia ...second pass knocked some out to make it look respectable but the weeds shouldn't have been there if the first pass worked.....what to do?



2. I had my fertilizer floated on and there are strips on every pass....what to do?

3. Foxtail barley didn't kill first pass do I went in with assure and Odyssey on the peas..Roundup didn't kill in that field either but did a week later it knocked down 8 inch diameter foxtail to a crisp. ...

4. Solo residual on durum....what to do?

5. Sent 1cwad to the professional cleaner c/w color sorter and I have barley and wheat in the field so now I harvest a 3cwad or worse.

Any help or getting leads in the right direction would be appreciated.

[beaverdam]

Have you checked the quality of your spray water lately, with those kill problems?

Should be lots of durum around this year to help with blending, especially if there is lighter bushel weight, your last year durum is likely nice and heavy.

[bucket]

Have you checked the quality of your spray water lately, with those kill problems?

Should be lots of durum around this year to help with blending, especially if there is lighter bushel weight, your last year durum is likely nice and heavy.

Water quality is good coming from a municipal well that everyone uses.

the odd part of the spraying foxtail is the earlier stuff didn't kill ... same rate of roundup ...a week later smoked the foxtail...it was bronzing after 4 days on the later stuff.

I have buffaloed retailers and agrologist alike on my issues ....now I am looking out further to see if others have these issues.

Thinking of hiring some specialists to figure it out.

I have a 40 acre field that has the following done to it.
1. first pass goldwing and rup at 500 grams acre at 5 gpa
2. second pass blackhawk and rup at 500 grams at 10 gpa
3. third pass just roundup at 10 gpa
4. 4th pass roundup at 10 gpa

all done with a minimum of 10 days between ...its a ****ing lawn of suppressed Kochia.

Roundup resistant kochia favorite excuse ...so why was i recommended to use glowing and then blackhawk.

[farmaholic]

I have a few issues on my farm this year....need advice as to how to resolve them....

1. The roundup and Blackhawk did SFA to the kochia ...second pass knocked some out to make it look respectable but the weeds shouldn't have been there if the first pass worked.....what to do?



2. I had my fertilizer floated on and there are strips on every pass....what to do?

3. Foxtail barley didn't kill first pass do I went in with assure and Odyssey on the peas..Roundup didn't kill in that field either but did a week later it knocked down 8 inch diameter foxtail to a crisp. ...

4. Solo residual on durum....what to do?

5. Sent 1cwad to the professional cleaner c/w color sorter and I have barley and wheat in the field so now I harvest a 3cwad or worse.

Any help or getting leads in the right direction would be appreciated.

1---If the kochia is chem resistant... Time to spend more money...lol....Authority had good activity on kochia.

2---DON'T float on fertilizer! If you had to use the expensive "smart N".... how smart was that. I think that practice is for people with too much money.... especially if they own their own floater. My God...full circle?

3---Is the foxtail barley resistant too now? What rate? Water? Weather conditions? I think we have become way to dependent on glyphosate.

4---The Solo thing has me rattled. I always thought it was the Imazethapyr(active in Pursuit) in Odyssey that was persistent... not the Imazamox that is in both Solo(8.19 grams/ac) and Odyssey(6.055 grams/ac) at label rates. But with last year's exceptionally dry conditions "maybe" too much carried over???? Notice there is 25% more Imazamox in Solo than Odyssey.

5---Can you find the barley and wheat in the clean grain sample? Did you talk to the Cleaner? I can't see too much barley "volunteering" in the field but can see wheat volunteering. I'm not going to check the numbers but you are allowed a certain amount of "other classes" of grain in the durum... you might be ok.... wait and see what the harvested sample looks like.... the durum may not even make the top grades because of "what ever"(weathered, fusarium, and a list of other "excuses" to downgrade it) other reason besides the admixture.

This is not ADVICE, this is an opinion. DYODD.

EDIT, I HAD THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVE INGREDIENTS IN THE TWO PRODUCTS REVERSED... FIXED IT AND MADE MENTION THAT ONE IS HIGHER THAN THE OTHER.

[Guest]

I have a few issues on my farm this year....need advice as to how to resolve them....

1. The roundup and Blackhawk did SFA to the kochia ...second pass knocked some out to make it look respectable but the weeds shouldn't have been there if the first pass worked.....what to do?



2. I had my fertilizer floated on and there are strips on every pass....what to do?

3. Foxtail barley didn't kill first pass do I went in with assure and Odyssey on the peas..Roundup didn't kill in that field either but did a week later it knocked down 8 inch diameter foxtail to a crisp. ...

4. Solo residual on durum....what to do?

5. Sent 1cwad to the professional cleaner c/w color sorter and I have barley and wheat in the field so now I harvest a 3cwad or worse.

Any help or getting leads in the right direction would be appreciated.

Bucket

Did you get the first issue sorted satisfactorily? Just doing some forensic agronomy, it appears you obviously have multiple resistant weed populations. Firstly to group 9 (glyphosate), which is well documented throughout the prairies. Secondly to group 4 (the 2-4D or MCPA) component of Goldwing and Blackhawk. Thirdly, the group 14 component of Goldwing and Blackhawk is pyraflufen which on its own does not appear to be registered to have any activity on kochia post emergent whether resistant or not At any rate it's a contact herbicide so requires very specific use methods. Did you use a surfactant, are your nozzles worn out, what were the environmental conditions at time of application and beyond etc.
Fourthly Farma mentioned Authority which is also group 14 but is a preemergent soil applied which may have had good results through root activity. Not sure why your agronomist didn't recommend trying group 2 (the SU's). Probably because there is also well documented resistance as well and could have been some plantback issues depending on seeding intentions.
Did you end up tilling the 40 acres? Did you consider paraquat? Four applications of gly is not good. Your soil there is now fungal dominant and biologically way out of balance so you can expect a lot of soil borne diseases for a start. Suggest using an independent agronomist, not one tied to your supplier.

www.sia.sk.ca They are all over Saskabush. Hope this helps. Now you see why I'm not a fan of the rat race.

[poorboy]

3 things really effect how roundup works in the spring.

1. Dust on the plants makes roundup useless. If it’s dry and dusty try and wait for a shower to was the dust off.

2. Cold temperatures and frost. If it got cold, park the sprayer. If it’s cold and drought stress, then park it even longer. I had to wait 4 days at one point this spring. If you get up late, then get a thermometer by the field to know the overnight lows.

3. Use less water. Roundup sucks at 10 gal/ac.

[bucket]

3 things really effect how roundup works in the spring.

1. Dust on the plants makes roundup useless. If it’s dry and dusty try and wait for a shower to was the dust off.

2. Cold temperatures and frost. If it got cold, park the sprayer. If it’s cold and drought stress, then park it even longer. I had to wait 4 days at one point this spring. If you get up late, then get a thermometer by the field to know the overnight lows.

3. Use less water. Roundup sucks at 10 gal/ac.

interesting ...I was told to use 10 gpa....


I had good conditions a couple tenth rains to keep everything clean...

[GDR]

interesting ...I was told to use 10 gpa....


I had good conditions a couple tenth rains to keep everything clean...

10 gals is fine, i believe you get better coverage. Gly can get tied up on poorer spray water and that is a situation where less water is better but in that case likely better conditioning the water first anyhow to make the best use of the chem.

[tubs]

bucket usually round up works better at low water rates 5gpa and temperature needs to be at least 10 degrees c don't leave round up in sprayer overnight looses efficiency. On foxtail barley apply a few hundred pounds of gypsum and that problem will be solved.

[Guest]

bucket usually round up works better at low water rates 5gpa and temperature needs to be at least 10 degrees c don't leave round up in sprayer overnight looses efficiency. On foxtail barley apply a few hundred pounds of gypsum and that problem will be solved.

Good point, this article explains why.

https://www.natureswayresources.com/infosheets/shootmessenger.html

[jcv]

https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/NorthCentralREC/weed-science-research/controlling-emerged-kochia-with-group-14-herbicides


Ammonium Sulfate, and Methylated seed oil will help with the AIM (Carfentrazone), you are getting no value from the 2,4_D in Blackhawk, or the MCPA in Goldwing.

[jcv]

Resistant Kochia

It will be Group 2 resistant, and probably Group 9 Resistant too. Authority or Authority charge with AMS, and MSO, if next crop is registered. The MSO shouldn't go with glyphosate.

[bucket]

Thanks everyone. ...

Most Chem reps that seen my fields this year shrugged their shoulders and gave my chemical back...all my goldwing and Blackhawk was reimbursed....big deal still lost the crop due to ineffective weed control....

I hired a forensic agronomist for another issue....

That is one area we could use more of.....I should have hired one in 2017.....

If the government wants to help agriculture by seed taxes, and chemical monitoring etc.....they should be providing independent forensic agrologists to the industry as well....

Farmers need a source of reliable and respected people that when things go wrong. ..the report will have teeth for compensation without hiring a lawyer....

My existing issues could take years to settle.....and that's what both the retailer and their insurance company are hoping for....that I absorb the loss....

Next year I won't be waiting for the retail/chemical Cos to ignore my complaint....I will spend the money on forensics....

Teaching them the hard way....the dumb****led farmer...

BTW if BASF has called you about residual effects of SOLO, ODYSSEY or VIPER for 2019..consider yourself to have been told there will be no compensation for their effects because you had time to make other plans....

[6V53]

Bucket any chance there was road dust on the leaves when you did your first pass with chemical. I have seen fields where that is a problem along grid roads. I try to time spraying Roundup after a rain and in the morning.

[bucket]

Bucket any chance there was road dust on the leaves when you did your first pass with chemical. I have seen fields where that is a problem along grid roads. I try to time spraying Roundup after a rain and in the morning.

Nope...some fields are 1/2 mile from roads....and the worst field has 150 feet of alfalfa between it and the road....

But the fields along the roads are sprayed more carefully...I watch the weather for opportunities to spray there...