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Klause's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 12:37 1 http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/italy-canada-durum-wheat-dispute-1.4191615 Reply With Quote
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Jul 6, 2017 | 13:31 3 The funniest thing about this is Ive grown durum on my south farm sold to to a end user who has a family mill in Italy. who shipped it to Italy in containers, milled it, put it in little bags with product of Italy on it shipped it back to Canada and made a tidy profit because the fancy folk only want to pay a premium for "italian" semolina flour. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 15:43 4 Wise guy WTF one litre roundup over a whole acre with water let's think about how small amount that is! Think about that. Your really not that wise! Reply With Quote
ALBERTAFARMER4's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 16:09 5
Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
Wise guy WTF one litre roundup over a whole acre with water let's think about how small amount that is! Think about that. Your really not that wise!
How many PPM of glyphosate residue is acceptable for your dinner table SF3? Reply With Quote
Jul 6, 2017 | 16:09 6 The real "unwise guys" are the farmers that are applying glyphosate to crops that are too green, trying to speed up harvest. Glyphosate is not for desiccating wheat. Period. Reply With Quote
Jul 6, 2017 | 17:32 7 I havent preharvested a cereal crop in over 15 years. I dont know why it is considered common pratice in s. Sk to spray on durum wheat. Ever hear of a swather? Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 17:52 8 We will probably lose it for a harvest tool.
Here, every acre of wheat not going for seed is sprayed.
After the green is out of glume and kernel dents with thumbnail. On most of the field. Not the green patches.
A valuable tool here. Swathers for wheat, not so much. We'll have to find a different chem. Reply With Quote
Partners's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 17:54 9 [QUOTE=MBgrower;349713]I havent preharvested a cereal crop in over 15 years. I dont know why it is considered common pratice in s. Sk to spray on durum wheat. Ever hear of a swather?[/QUOTE

Goes for any wheat or oats.
We don't pre harvest either..post harvest leaves the sprayer in the yard the following spring. Reply With Quote
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Jul 6, 2017 | 18:45 10 Won't affect me to any great extent. But in our country a swathed is used for some canola, a few lentils and never for cereals.

The guys that do sell it for feed more often than not. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 18:52 11 Wise it's parts per million your drinking water is worse. Plus two weeks fall weather washes the plant at harvest time once.

Then harvest grind and make flower bread.

Oh one other note father use to spray in open tractor no mask and probably uses leather gloves to fill.

He will be 90 soon.

Just saying none of us know when our 15 min is up.

Killing a practice with no science behind is idiotic.

Without we would have to swath to make crop come in and most would grade way lower. Reply With Quote
LEP
Jul 6, 2017 | 18:53 12 After reading the article it made me laugh. Italy is known for buying a 3cwad with protein and blending it. Nothing matters but price and 13 protein. Reply With Quote
Jul 6, 2017 | 22:07 13 Could definitely be an issue for those who rely on it as a harvest aid. We don't, used to do some peas and lentils at times but now the peas get Diquat products. Once we had such a thick canopy of lentils the only thing Diquat did was brown the tops, what ever it touched. Glyphosate would have worked better, translocated, ...maybe slower but at least the whole plant would have died!

Timing can be tricky in variable(high and low spots) land, low land can hang on a long time after the high ground would be ready for an app.

Maybe its time to lobby for saflufenicil to be registered as a dessicant In all crops or have the MRLs established so it doesn't impede exports.

Our main dessicant is an 08 MacDon 150.
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fjlip's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 22:07 14
Quote Originally Posted by Braveheart View Post
The real "unwise guys" are the farmers that are applying glyphosate to crops that are too green, trying to speed up harvest. Glyphosate is not for desiccating wheat. Period.
Agree, said this many times, it is registered ONLY for weed control, NOT a desiccant. If you are getting desiccation your crop is TOO green, probably lose bushel weight too.

You are supposed to spray at the same time you could swath. We swath close to combining, some times ahead of the combine. Neighbor sprays and we combine the same time.
Weed kill much better post harvest, no tracks, less stress/busy. Reply With Quote
helmsdale's Avatar Jul 6, 2017 | 22:41 15
Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
Agree, said this many times, it is registered ONLY for weed control, NOT a desiccant. If you are getting desiccation your crop is TOO green, probably lose bushel weight too.

You are supposed to spray at the same time you could swath. We swath close to combining, some times ahead of the combine. Neighbor sprays and we combine the same time.
Weed kill much better post harvest, no tracks, less stress/busy.
Some guys recreationally spray like we used to recreationally drag a cultivator. Bored and it's hot outside? Come up with yet another reason to jump in the air conditioned sprayer and create an income tax deduction.

Each to their own, but labels are there for a reason. Reply With Quote
Jul 6, 2017 | 22:55 16 The sooner we get the message, the better because Europe will shut out all Canadian grains and it won't be pretty. They just happen to be our most lucrative special crops market and I get it. Furthermore, I don't particularly appreciate glyphosate in my bread. Just sayin! Reply With Quote
Jul 6, 2017 | 23:07 17 Farm size and a limited harvest window has made glyphosate a way to manage harvest. Do soybeans and corn weather/downgrade in the long season areas? Alot of crops we grow are very sensitive to adverse fall weather....I understand why large farmers dont want to swath thousands of acres of cereals. Pulses and nematodes to India, flax and triffid to Europe, durum and glyphosate to Italy. What better way to suppress prices.....in the end didn't the durum to Italy test safe for glyphosate MRLs Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 05:23 18 This is a very sore point with me. Since 1981 we have used fall applied glyphs with our high lift sprayer. Yes the first was a brought in from USA crude machine. But it worked and we were able to strait cut wheat without any problems and grade factors since that first fall application. Its not about sitting in a sprayer and you have nothing better to do. Its about killing weeds and bringing in a even crop in eastern part of saskatchewan.

To the guys who say they swath just before and do ok. Ha what a crock of shit. We have one neighbour trying to strait cut beside us and then arguing with elevator about his green kernels or tough grain and we haul in nice dry clean product.

Its a tool in tool box.

glyphs is not the enemy but a way to farm a lot easier in Shit hole saskatchewan.

Swathing is nice time consuming cost system. works for some but most doesn't. Now if you farm in desert of SW saskatchewan yea they have natural dry down. Its called heat.

Weed control is way better in August than late october spraying. Thistles are putting food down to roots and when you spray they are gone.

I would quit farming if i had to go back to old way of waiting for it to dry down.

Then fall rain happens and every thing stays green till freeze up. Reply With Quote
Jul 7, 2017 | 05:39 19
Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
I would quit farming if i had to go back to old way of waiting for it to dry down.
Well you better get ready to call ritchie brothers because I've been saying it for years, pre harvest anything will be banned sooner than later. That's just a fact.

Somehow though I think that if the ban came down this afternoon you'd still be putting in a crop next year. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 05:42 20 yes your right but i would start the three year planning to exit. Last year wall to wall canola and were out of here.

Swathing you get sprouts, tough wet shit, some times you luck out but usually a shower hits and your harvesting tough.

Strait cutting you may as well call it October. Because you will have to wait for a fall killing frost to get most of the green out. Reply With Quote
Jul 7, 2017 | 05:51 21 Straight cutting is no good. It will be back to swathing. Back in the old days there was a little pile of tough grain in every wooden bin from straight cutting. Headers will be worth about as much as a 1998 5710 bourgault. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 06:03 22 Oh but we will all be strait cutting our canola.

HA HA HA

Yes we had that row of wooden old bins.

1979 1980 1981 miss a few then continue. Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 08:40 23 Afterthinking on it. We could adapt just fine without. I woud be building a lot of aeration storage. Reply With Quote
fjlip's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 10:52 24 Neighbor sprayed and straight cut for a few years...everything was still tough needed drying/aeration. He sold headers and bought another swather, happy now. Areas are different, crops uneven soil types. We are too humid also. Swaths combine longer at night.
"Weed control is way better in August than late october spraying. Thistles are putting food down to roots and when you spray they are gone. " ...postharvest works better here.. Dandelions especially.

Those that pre harvest a good thick tall crop, never get all the weeds. See it across the fence. Usually TOO early for taking nutrients down to roots. Best kill ever on quack and thistles was Oct 4, at +4C. Never seen those weeds again on a polluted field.
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biglentil's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 12:04 25 Im with wiseguy im not eating that garbage. Kills your healthy gut flora at the ppb not million. Never have preharvested my HRSW amd always straight cut. Never had tough time moving it either. Beauty color high bushel weight also can be used as seed. Ive custom preharvested a pile of durum the weed kill is always the shits have to go back in post. Germ comes back in the 50's. Tire tracks are gross too you can have it SF3. I'm not interested in inflicting autism on the populace.
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Jul 7, 2017 | 14:29 26
Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
After reading the article it made me laugh. Italy is known for buying a 3cwad with protein and blending it. Nothing matters but price and 13 protein.
Exactly. Well timed rhetoric will cloud reality. While wheat and durum prices "should" be going up deflect to an issue in order to keep them suppressed. Buy A few more containers to build inventory before the reality sets in and prices increase.
If it rains, "projected record harvest for everybody" prices will remain where they are or drop more. Reply With Quote
ALBERTAFARMER4's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 17:16 27 I think 30 years from now when we look back at this practice it will be compared to the days when your doctor would prescribe smoking cigarettes.

#sellthesprayer Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Jul 7, 2017 | 20:54 28 Cheap glyph was the biggest thing around here since the tractor.
Also very carbon friendly by the way.
Dont judge others if you dont need it.
But... I do agree it can and has been overused and abused. Also know that some are already using off label chems for preharvest of some crops. Take away one and people will use another.
Just saying change the rules carefully. Reply With Quote
Jul 8, 2017 | 05:58 29
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
Im with wiseguy im not eating that garbage. Kills your healthy gut flora at the ppb not million. Never have preharvested my HRSW amd always straight cut. Never had tough time moving it either. Beauty color high bushel weight also can be used as seed. Ive custom preharvested a pile of durum the weed kill is always the shits have to go back in post. Germ comes back in the 50's. Tire tracks are gross too you can have it SF3. I'm not interested in inflicting autism on the populace.
Allegedly.
It is not scientifically proven by Stephanie Seneff. Reply With Quote
Jul 8, 2017 | 05:59 30 I read this today.

Gluten Intolerance is really GLYPHOSATE POISONING
What if...."gluten intolerance" is really "glyphosate poisoning"?

Gluten has been in wheat since it was first grown. Sure, there have always been folks who have problems digesting wheat or grains with gluten. Today, about 50% of the world have problems with gluten. (1) Something has changed.

That "something" is glyphosate.

Glyphosate has only been on this planet since Monsanto patented it as "Roundup" in 1973. This chemical herbicide goes by 32 or more tradenames and, now that the patent protection expired in 2000, is made by nine chemical companies -- most of whom, not coincidentally, are also in the drug business. Over 200 million pounds of it is used all over the world every year. That's 100,000 tons! Roundup brings in half of Monsanto's yearly profits. Like vaccines, each manufacturer can add its own extra ingredients called adjuvants or surfactants. Some data suggests that the adjuvants are even more toxic than the glyphosate. (2)

The original use of glyphosate was to prevent weeds. Somewhere along the way, it was discovered that a pre-harvest spraying of glyphosate directly onto the crops made for an easier harvest, as it desiccates the material. WHEAT and CANE SUGAR are the two foods most often treated in this manner. What foods have wheat and sugar? Take a walk down the cereal aisle, the one with the pretty boxes that beckon to your children. See the cookies, crackers, breads, cakes -- all those things that have gluten -- as well as a double dose of glyphosate.

Nice.

And I really, really mean "nice." Etymology: Middle English, foolish, wanton, from Old French, from Latin nescius ignorant, from nescire not to know.

Monsanto applied for the patent on glyphosate with full knowledge that it worked by blocking the shikimate pathway of plants and certain bacteria. Therefore, since people are not plants or bacteria, glyphosate must be safe, they told the FDA.

What Monsanto did not disclose is that the bacteria in a human gut all have shikimate pathways. This is huge. Without gut bacteria, people become very ill and malnourished, develop antibodies to their own organs, mentally depressed, full of yeast and other pathogenic bacteria, and mineral deficient. Nerve transmission fails and energy is gone. The mind cannot focus. Children get labeled at school as having behavior problems. Adults think they are crazy and run to the Prozac. This could only have happened if the scientists at Monsanto and FDA are malevolent and the worst sort of facinorous psychopaths. They are not nice guys, not ignorant of their deeds; let us call them what they are: Murderers.

I submit: You do not have gluten intolerance; that is a symptom. You have been poisoned by glyphosate, therefore you have GLYPHOSATE POISONING. The first step to healing is calling something what it is. Using euphemisms and hiding wickedness behind medicalese and nebulous diagnoses does no one any good. The guilty go free and the victims are denied proper treatment and timely justice.

Footnotes:
(1) Dr. Ford, a pediatrician in Christchurch, New Zealand and author of The Gluten Syndrome, says he believes the percentage of people who are gluten-sensitive actually could be between 30% and 50%. Source: http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/glutenintolerance/a/How-Many-People-Have-Gluten-Sensitivity.htm

(2) "...with respect to glyphosate formulations, experimental studies suggest that the toxicity of the surfactant, polyoxyethyleneamine (POEA), is greater than the toxicity of glyphosate alone and commercial formulations alone." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethoxylated_tallow_amine

For further study:
Monsanto's Roundup Causes Gluten Intolerance http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/study-monsantos-roundup-causes-gluten-intolerance/

Glyphosate, pathways to modern diseases II: Celiac sprue and gluten intolerance
http://sustainablepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Glyphosate_II_Samsel-Seneff.pdf

Dr. Stephanie Seneff interviewed by Jeffrey Smith of the Institute for Responsible Technology, discussing the paper above.
http://vimeo.com/65914121


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