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Feb 26, 2017 | 09:00
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/india-rejects-extension-on-pulse-imports-in-blow-to-canada-s-largest-market-1.3298895
India has not renewed an exemption on requiring fumigation before export.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 09:10
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Where else does India buy pulses from? This should knock out every Northern Hemisphere grower's market Canada is not alone in cold winters where fumigation doesn't work.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 09:26
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As usual ....let our checkoff dollars wait until it's a crisis.....management of farmer's checkoff or advocate money have dropped the ball...and the guys that buy and load our product. ...
But as usual it comes back to farmers financially.....
The ****ing middleman lives well off us and still sends us the bill for their incompetence....
Rather than renaming varieties or selling varieties to processors for a pittance .....how about seeking a permanent solution rather than 6 month reprieves. ....
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Feb 26, 2017 | 09:41
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Does this ban include processed and packaged product? Maybe more proof we should be marketing finished product instead of raw.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 09:53
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Wmoebis
Excellent question and point. .....
Although the importing country would find another way to lower prices while our farmer advocates and so called representatives twiddle their thumbs under their ass ( their heads are there too)....or continue to argue about whether checkoffs should be refundable or how little they charge processors for private label varieties developed by farmers money.....
People taking on these positions have to start paying attention and start looking after those that voted them in.....
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Feb 26, 2017 | 10:02
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Like our beef industry. USA can buy Canadian beef, finish and process it then sell as USA product.
What is stopping a company like AGT from buying from us and shipping them to be processed at their plants in Turkey then selling them to India as Turkish products?
Just wondering I really don't know.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 11:15
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It affects 40kg bags.
Have a container of them sitting in limbo because they arrived after the order ran out.
Now what.... dump them in the ocean?
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Feb 26, 2017 | 11:39
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 Originally Posted by Klause
It affects 40kg bags.
Have a container of them sitting in limbo because they arrived after the order ran out.
Now what.... dump them in the ocean?
1) the order expires March 31...
2) the price in india has puked...that's why they are in limbo...if the l/c is opened they lose. Hopefully you took 25% upfront before loading.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 11:48
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If there is no infestation detected and guaranteed by the CGC in shipment at time of loading, why is fumigation even needed?
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Feb 26, 2017 | 12:22
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What's wiseguy's mantra?
.......any excuse! Anyone for a "game" of Scruples?
Last edited by farmaholic; Feb 26, 2017 at 12:38.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 12:46
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Short AGT
Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.
Iceman out
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Feb 26, 2017 | 15:21
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India has had a goal of self sufficiency for years, this year with higher plantings and good growing conditions it appears Indians are willing to slam the border shut on long term suppliers. For how long is yet to be determined as the reality is production goes up and down, continuously; the border will reopen at some time, and to we should hope, a much less complacent exporter.
All that is clear is this Trump is not alone in the "my country first policy".
Expanding markets and consumption is essential: did you eat or promote the consumption of beans, peas, chickpeas or lentils today?
www.lentils.ca
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Feb 26, 2017 | 15:52
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The criticism of the pulse checkoff and people that put time in to make the industry better for everyone is unwarranted.
This trade issue has been on-going for a long time and is not nearly as easy to solve as it may appear. The concern from India centres around soil presence and the possible existence of a nematode they feel could be harmful to their agriculture. We do not have the nematode species they are concerned with, but can have others. A soil-free shipment doesn't exist. And an exporting country cannot simply dictate to a customer importer what their requirements ought to be.
When they desperately need the product, they take it. Currently, with better domestic production that they have had for a while, import need has eased, but their pulse prices have fallen -the government wants Indian farmers to keep growing a lot of pulses, so uncertainty around imports can help achieve that.
There has and is a ton of work going on to diversify the market-to obviously lessen the reliance on a few big markets. That doesn't not come easy nor happen overnight. It takes a long time to change the consumption behaviour of a North American for example.
We have to continue to trade with India and China if we want to keep selling large quantities of pulse crops. This dispute will get ironed out. And it will only happen government to government-pulse organizations have a role and are doing it, but ultimately international trade must be enabled by the fed gov and international trade rules.
The value of check off dollars in keeping trade happening thru informing government on issues of importance, working together with industry to identify what needs to be done, and ensuring growers interests are prominent easily returns many more dollars in every farmers pocket than the cost of the levy. One issue is that not enough of us take the time to learn about our industry and all that is being done.
It's fine to question what is being done or how it is being done, but to assume those involved are not doing anything is wrong.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 16:03
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Originally Posted by LWeber
1) the order expires March 31...
2) the price in india has puked...that's why they are in limbo...if the l/c is opened they lose. Hopefully you took 25% upfront before loading.
Send them to Bangladesh or Pakistan if they are red lentils. Call all the smaller marketers. They will find a home for them.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 16:06
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Originally Posted by iceman
Short AGT
Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.
Iceman out
You got it!
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Feb 26, 2017 | 16:38
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Originally Posted by bucket
As usual ....let our checkoff dollars wait until it's a crisis.....management of farmer's checkoff or advocate money have dropped the ball...and the guys that buy and load our product. ...
But as usual it comes back to farmers financially.....
The ****ing middleman lives well off us and still sends us the bill for their incompetence....
Rather than renaming varieties or selling varieties to processors for a pittance .....how about seeking a permanent solution rather than 6 month reprieves. ....
The one thing SPG could have done differently was to not: "sell(ing) varieties to processors for a pittance" when the board renewed the exclusive niche market tenders last year, other than that the decisions made in India are not within our control.
Could they make statements about how damaging this is to our industry from a producer perspective, yes, however India will do what is good for India in the end.
The key is diversity and diversification, please do your part.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 17:14
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They want to fumigate raw product and add it to soup..........and we are worried about pre harvest desiccation? Seems odd?
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Feb 26, 2017 | 18:27
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Here is a question for someone. How long does methyl Bromide take to gas off?
With the time the container takes on the ocean in transit could we not toss the Methyl Bromide in as the container is being loaded on the ship and it would gas off once the ship begins to get to warmer climates. Done by the time it reaches the dock in India.
Likely not an answer for the problem, but just an idea.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:06
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I may have spoke too harsh....I will just keep paying my mandatory checkoff and shut the **** up......
Does that suit everyone ....good then. ...let's let AGT and simpson seeds and other carve out their niche markets for a small percentage of growers while using checkoff dollars instead of their own....
And when they have an exporting problem they can solve it on their own .... right?????.....
And let's just forget I said some of these issues should be solved to a mutually beneficial solution.....and a practical procedures set in place for the future.....
But defending shit like this is the same reason union contracts of any sort don't get settled on time....and both management and union are to blame....same as India and Canada players here with pay scales and intelligence far more than mine....
I'll shut up now. ....I have stated my issues.....
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:20
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Is aeration and/or desorption time required after the fumigation procedure with methyl bromide? How air tight are the sea cans?
India is asking for a procedure that is likely impossible under some of the weather conditions in Canada certain times of the year. How many times/years were exemptions granted? Price control......
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:30
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Originally Posted by farmaholic
Is aeration and/or desorption time required after the fumigation procedure with methyl bromide? How air tight are the sea cans?
India is asking for a procedure that is likely impossible under some of the weather conditions in Canada certain times of the year. How many times/years were exemptions granted? Price control......
From what I've read Methyl Bromide needs 50 - 80F to work and gasses off safely as soon as exposed to air.
Since most are harvested and binned at these temps and would be moved to export position why can't farmers apply when binning. Sign an affidavit that it was done and problem solved.
Likely some reason it doesn't work that way, likely that farmers can't be trusted!
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:39
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Sorry I won't shut up.....why can't it be put in rail cars to the coast....that's a week sitting at the elevator and another week getting to port and then another week getting across the ocean....
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:39
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You would likely need a license for "on farm fumigation".....to even buy the fumigant let alone use it. I have mine, kinda the same as a pesticide applicators license but specialized. I hope to never use it or as little as possibly possible!.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:45
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Bucket.... as wmoebis stated. ...temperature sensitive. Placards would be required to warn of fumigation in progress. Gas detection meters to measure concentration of gas if any remains if there is such a thing for methyl bromide. Insect activity drops below certain temperatures and affects fumigation efficacy.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:54
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Yeah I spoke too soon....it's quite a quandary. ....to me it makes the most sense to be done in India.
Unload the boat there into quarantine. ..fumigate it ....and send it on its way.....
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Feb 26, 2017 | 19:59
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I don't know a bunch about MeBr other than it works quickly - something like 16 hrs and it kills all living pests within the soil it infiltrates. It was deemed ozone depleting back in 2005 so has been phased out by developed countries except a few specific emergency uses. There are no direct replacements although an aluminum compound could also work-takes longer.
The reality is that it doesn't need to be done to our pulse shipments. But India insists it does.
The exemptions for Canada have been issued by India covering 6 month periods, for the last ten years. Til now.
The pulse industry has been working with CFIA and PPQ in India to try and establish a permanent solution to this, for the last ten years. It just hasn't happened.
Not for lack of trying.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 20:51
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Originally Posted by LWeber
1) the order expires March 31...
2) the price in india has puked...that's why they are in limbo...if the l/c is opened they lose. Hopefully you took 25% upfront before loading.
Agreed LW. A condition for sale is 25-40% non refundable downpayment. A person should also have a couple of other buyers from same country in their network. When a buyer decides not to accept your shipment landed on their soil, you keep the down payment and sell it to the "other guys" at the discount in which you already have as the deposit from the original buyer/rejector.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 21:01
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So if the nematode is only in the "earth pellets"(is that so?), wouldn't cleaning of bulk shipments dramatically reduce the chance of the nematodes being present. Pieces the same size and density might make the pellets hard to remove. Did someone say Canada doesn't even have the kind India is concerned about.
I'm not a seed processor, how much of a problem is earth pellets in cleaned peas and lentils?
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Feb 26, 2017 | 21:14
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Vomitoxin used here now. Me thinx they have bought all the lentils that they need and are demanding fumigation because they can. Who does it affect? The big boys who value that market and those who have not delivered yet, but probably not too many outstanding contracts.
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Feb 26, 2017 | 21:29
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Originally Posted by hobbyfrmr
Agreed LW. A condition for sale is 25-40% non refundable downpayment. A person should also have a couple of other buyers from same country in their network. When a buyer decides not to accept your shipment landed on their soil, you keep the down payment and sell it to the "other guys" at the discount in which you already have as the deposit from the original buyer/rejector.
Yeah working on it... yes 1/3 paid for l/c for the rest problem isn't buyer so much as port authority
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