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Feb 7, 2013 | 07:56 1 As i am pretty new to the industry i am raising ramboullait basically because my neighbour has been into them for years.I was curious to get any opinions on advantages or dissadvantages of these this breed? Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 08:21 2 Likely the best breed in Canada for wool. Currently a well managed flock can easily pay for the shearing costs, plus some more. The key is to buy the breeding stock that will max the returns.

They are a good breed if you have some grass pasture to graze the ewes on. Lambs if born early in the year grow quickly and can be off to market with Suffolks and do very well in the feedlot

Ewes may not have a high a lambing percentage, unless managed through flushing, and feeding.

Lots of good herds out there, including many of the Colonies in Alberta (that have sheep)and other flocks in SK and MB Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 08:24 3 oh yeah...... keep the flock pure, as crossing them with a domestic sheep to produce replacements, will only give those lambs, a domestic wool value. Though again, it should be a better quality domestic than others. Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 08:37 4 Dogpatch-I have lots of grass for them,i also lamb on pasture in may.I like this approach as long as there are no freak storms and we keep a good eye on them while lambing.Was wondering what yours or anyone elses lambing procedure is? Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 10:11 5 well then they are both related to Austrailian PM Kevin Rudd, because that is where this online hoax started.( google remus rudd) Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 10:16 6 Judy Wallman, a professional genealogy researcher in southern California , was doing some personal work on her own family tree. She discovered that Congressman Harry Reid's great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889.. Both Judy and Harry Reid share this common ancestor.
The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallow in Montana territory:
On the back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription: 'Remus Reid, horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889.' So Judy recently e-mailed Congressman Harry Reid for information about their great-great uncle. Believe it or not, Harry Reid's staff sent back the following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:

"Remus Reid was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory . His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed." Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 10:43 7 Tipsy,
"BTW.. nothing to do with marketing!"

It shows there are many people who misrepresent what
they are doing, why they do, it is what they are doing...

And there are more folks than just 'politicians' doing

Getting folks to buy what you are selling... is what
marketing IS all about... and presentation, is 99
percent of the sell... with a little supporting evidence
that APPEARS to back the story.

Are you a politician Tipsy? I would say so! Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 11:25 8 "NOW Thats whats wrong with politics and politicians. Spin every incident,event and happening to suit your needs. Regardless of what really the facts are."

That's pretty funny Tipsy! Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 11:37 9 Judy seems to be a popular name... just change the
last name... Rudd, Harper, whatever is needed.

"Brief Analysis
The claims in the message are false. Kevin Rudd has
no such ancestor and no such "political spin" reply was
ever sent. In fact, the message is just one more version
of an old joke that has been used to target several
public figures in the United States and Canada. The
condemned man shown in the gallows photograph, is
Tom "Black Jack" Ketchum, a murderer and train robber
who was hanged in Clayton, New Mexico in April

horse-thief-hoax.shtml Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 11:59 10 How "Black Jack" Ketchum was captured and hung...

"Ketchum later reported, "I tried a dozen times to
mount my horse but was too weak to do it." Weary and
dizzy from the pain, he sat down to wait for the posse.
Early the next morning as the sun was coming up, a
freight train heading from Folsom passed by the
robbery scene. A man was seen about 100 yards from
the train, waving his hat on the end of his gun, as a
signal. When the train was stopped and the conductor
and brakeman approached, Black Jack drew a gun on
them. The conductor said, "We just came to help you
but if this is the way you feel, we will go and leave
you." Black Jack responded, "No boys, I am all done,
take me in." (In other accounts, Sheriff Saturinino
Pinard is credited with the arrest). Black Jack was
carried to the train, placed in the caboose and taken
into Folsom.

At first, Black Jack stated that his name was George
Stevens and that the would-be robbery was his first
attempt at a hold up and a mighty poor one. He was
taken on the first passenger train to Trinidad,
Colorado and placed in San Rafael Hospital, where his
arm was amputated. When he was able to travel, he
was taken to Santa Fe for safekeeping. Later, he was
transferred to Clayton, New Mexico for trial, where he
pled innocent, but the judge found him guilty and
sentenced him to death by hanging.

The hanging was delayed several times until lawmen
heard rumors that the old gang was going to attempt
to free Tom. Therefore, a decision was finally made
and the hanging was scheduled on April 26, 1901 at
8:00 a.m. The hanging was a big attraction with stores
closing and saloons remaining open, doing a brisk
business. People came from all over the area to see the
big event, where the local lawmen were selling tickets
to view the hanging, as well as little dolls of Tom
hanging on a stick.

However, the town of Clayton had no experience in
hanging a man and there was a debate concerning the
length of rope. The night before the scheduled
hanging, the rope was tested by attaching a 200-
pound sandbag to the noose and dropping it through
the trap. Finally, at 1:13 p.m. Thomas "Black Jack"
Ketchum was taken to the scaffold. While they were
adjusting the hood, Ketchum stated, "Hurry up boys,
get this over with." Finally, Sheriff Garcia took two
blows with a hatchet, cutting the rope and Tom fell
through the trap.

Unfortunately, the inexperienced hangmen had
forgotten about the sandbag they had used to test the
rope and the weight of it caused the rope to be as rigid
as wire. When Black Jack fell through the drop, he was
immediately decapitated. The black hood pinned to his
shirt was the only thing that kept his head from rolling
away. A few minutes later the doctor pronounced him
dead, then sewed his head to his torso prior to the
burial at the Clayton's Boothill at 2:30 P.M. In the
1930's his body was moved to the new cemetery in
Clayton, where it remains today.

Black Jack Ketchum was the only person ever hanged
in Union County, New Mexico. He was also the only
person who suffered capital punishment for the
offence of "felonious assault upon a railway train" in
the State of New Mexico. Later, the law was found to
be unconstitutional, but way too late for Thomas
Ketchum. According the annals of American
Jurisprudence at the time, he was the only criminal
decapitated during a judicial hanging in the U.S. The
only other recorded example was in England in 1601.
Later, the same thing occurred at the hanging of one
Eva Dugan at the Pinal County, Arizona prison in

Proves crime does not pay!

Cheers Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 11:59 11 Tom...you are a "spoil-sport"...we all new it was a hoax but you had to defend your messiah's name (Harper).

No sense of HA!HA! I see. Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 16:05 12 Yes, I gnu that I had miss-spelled knew but I blame it on this wireless keyboard. If you try and rush things it drops letters and sometimes quits until its buffer is flushed or some such ting. Might have to go back to wired keyboard...and the cordless mouse eats batteries like mad...damned thing. Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 16:31 13 Thanks so much Tom "Ezra Levant" CWB. Wouldn't know right from wrong without u around. Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 17:01 14 Willy,

Why don't you libel Obama? No 'fun'... or it is
'politically correct' for lefties to be defamatory
attacking PM Harper or Bush with false statements?

'Fun' for bullies... that do not care about the feelings
others they maliciously attack; when misrepresentation
is put forward as being true.

Why was "what's wrong with politics" with a misquote
from the PM's office used... that was false? PM
Harper... and our democracy... were libelled.

"As a general rule, defamation consists of printed
words (i.e., libel) and spoken words (i.e., slander) that
tend to lower a person's character in the estimation of
others."[The Libel and Slander Act]

PM Harper is NOT my "messiah"... instead PM Stephen
Harper is a great leader we are blessed as a nation to
have in these times. I have found PM Harper, Minister
Ritz... and many others you defame Willy; to be honest
hard working individuals who do NOT deserve this
defamatory treatment.

But then intimidation; and being defamatory... appear
to be are your specialties... "What's wrong with
politics?"... honest people being attacked... then left
wing 'politically correct' abusers... bullies getting away
with this as being a joke with no consequences.

How do we attract GOOD HONEST people... to be
leaders... with this attitude?

This is a really good example of what is wrong with
politics in Canada!

God Bless Canada Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 17:10 15 Seabass;

What was that supposed to mean? What is your
standard for 'Truth'? Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 17:27 16 You used to bad mouth the liberals tom. Especially Ralph Goodale. So get off your high horse and give us a break. Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 19:19 17 Katoe,

Glad you brought up Minister Goodale and the

They knew better... but used us to maintain the power
they had. Goodale voted against CWB reform... which
appeared to be partisan politics...

Which is 'what is wrong with politics' far too often.

History will be the judge...

AND Katoe... we know who it will judge very harshly.

My conscience is clear!


Cheers Reply With Quote
Feb 7, 2013 | 23:31 18 Ya Tom load your truck and run the border. If they let u thru keep going and take all your pulpet BS with u. I'm sure Bill O'Reilly and the likes of Glenn Beck will listen to your TRUTH's. LORD knows there totally honest folk. Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 03:44 19 Seabass

Every time our truck unloads in town
now... This happens... The border comes
to our farm.

Nifty how that works!

Thanks for reminding me how PM Harper
and Minister Ritz had the political
fortitude to stand against the:
Fearmongering, Intimidation, and
Deception the CWB single desk 'ludites'
hurled against our: freedoms, families,
and farms.

A good example of hope faith and loving
power, the honest political courage, to
stand against; such injustice and

Cheers Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 08:09 20 Your absolutely right Tom.
Some of these poor souls just don't get it. Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 08:57 21 When I posted this gem it was just to be food for thought. I never thought it would generate much of a discussion but, glad it did. When I read this I thouht it was cute, mischievous and even got a chuckle of it. But, for good reason it stuck with me and I thought what a bunch of BS.
Why is it that every politician has to surround themselves with spin doctors and message mangers. The general public is not daft!
Tom, this message was not meant to offend anyone but more food for thought..
And when you ask am I a politican? I don't follow you on this one. Should you be asking if I'm thinking about going into the political race, the answer would no. I have to much integrity for that nonsence.. Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 10:20 22 The public is utterly and hopelessly daft.

All politicos share one axiom"when it becomes
serious you have to lie". Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 10:31 23 Tipsy,

Then to be truthful, you are a part of the problem of:
'What's wrong with politics'.

Agriville is an amazing opportunity... for us all to take
a look in the mirror.


I have run and been in public office for over 30 years.

For you to say:
"Should you be asking if I'm thinking about going into
the political race, the answer would no. I have to much
integrity for that nonsence.."

This shows an unfair judgement of many of those who
serve; in good conscience, with integrity. Walk a mile
in the shoes of the one serving the public.

To be done fairly...It is the of one of highest calling...
and one of the most difficult jobs that can be

I have been called a Maverick, Big mouthed,radical...
because I stand up for principal and object when
'politically correct' things are done... that are not fair.

Tipsy...I am not offended... this is a great discussion to
have... write those who serve you and thank them for
the good things they do...

As well as the mention of missed opportunities.
We can disagree... without being disagreeable!

Cheers Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 11:52 24 Tom: I would really like to meet a politician who "served me"...they may "serve" but it ain't fer me...its fer THEM and them that they answer to.

Canada has always been a country of POWER BLOCS.

POWER=MONEY...MONEY=POWER...those are the only formulas you have to remember. Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 12:33 25 Count the number of people in your house,times that
number by 60,000,and that is how much the
government is in debt and spent on your behalf. Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 12:49 26 cottonpicken: Holy shit...in other words...I'M BROKE. Those bastards wiped me out. Reply With Quote
Feb 8, 2013 | 13:22 27 Willy,

When I went AGAINST Minister Ritz on Canada Grain
Act reforms that looked to remove security on sales of
grain... TWICE... this was for the better of all grain
growers in western Canada. Go read the WD9 thread
on problems... it is a very complex issue.

The CWB reform and Long Gun Registry reforms... are
not any different. When the gov. puts in place changes
to the criminal justice system... that require murderers
to do real jail time... when judged to be insane... this is
true service to the people of Canada.

It is no justice if you can go off medication... kill
someone.., be declared criminally insane..., and then
get free two years later because now being
'rehabilitated' means your freedom. Like the guy who
cut off the head of another person... and is now free
on parole.

Cheers Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2013 | 10:50 28 What's wrong with politics you ask.....

People like Justin trudeau is what's wrong with it.

Next thing Ben Mulroney will be "groomed" for some political job. Pun intended.

Bobo Rae is what is wrong. No conviction other than to live off the public purse.

Rural municipalities that each have an administrator making 40 grand a year for 30 minutes worth of work. Its too bad the NDP wanted to force amalgamation instead of asking politely.

Politicians that have no vision because they can't make tough decisions because they might offend a group. Stagnates the economy and progress of a province.

As much fanfare as there is/was about T.C. Douglas he lived in a time when tough decisions were made because he was elected to do so. Same goes for deifenbaker, gardner, etc.

People can bitch about grant devine, but he had a vision and made decisions, some good , some bad. Still - decisions.

All people that get involved in politics do is study shit to death. And everyone involved makes a shit load of money in meetings.

Here is another one. Maybe not so political. anyway. Moose Jaw is building a new hospital. The current one has a hyperbaric chamber c/w a doctor to run it. It is the only one between edmonton and toronto. It was donated by an anynomous group. They decide not to make provisions to have this service in the new hospital. So in one swoop they lose a service, and the ability to raise funds because people won't donate if their money is treated like that. There are more details but you get the drift of the story. Lack of vision. Reply With Quote
Feb 18, 2013 | 09:14 29 Half of my sheep are Canadian Arcott, and half are Dorset. But as a handspinner, I would like it a lot of they were Ramboulette. ;-) They really do have nice fleece. There aren't a lot of Ramboulettes around here, so I got what I got.

If you've got Ramboulette sheep, and you can produce a nice clean fleece, there's a value added market for those fleece direct to spinners. They've got to be clean though. I'm not sure what the commercial price is, but to a handspinner, you may be surprised at what's considered a fair price. There are more spinning wheels out there than you would know, as well.

What I've heard about Ramboulette sheep is that they can be a little flighty, but that's the only negative I've heard. It's the Merino in them that makes them that way.

Does anyone know how the lambs work out? I sold two bottle fed Arcott wethers last fall at 21 weeks that weighed 110 pounds each. How does that compare? Reply With Quote
Feb 19, 2013 | 11:30 30 I have had only one set of lambs as of yet but in my case i did not get that good of gains,having said that i bought some better genetics this year and am hoping for better gains.Was wondering if you have a high number of twins and do they both gain well and also how you pasture and winter feed as well.Any insight or ideas would be appreciated,thanks. Reply With Quote