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    #31
    Seriously don't understand why you guys give Twatty the time of day...he just starts arguments in every post and brings nothing interesting to this forum.

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      #32
      it is a lobby by the largest international corporations.
      they get their way because we are not smart enough to see what they are doing.

      all it would take to fix is a
      law that after 20-25 years all varieties would be free and available for public use.

      20 years total protection seems like a pretty fair deal. is that so hard on them.
      it certainly would encourage innovation.
      the use agreements , where the farmer never owns the seed has to stop.
      you will never be able to freely plant something you never owned.

      it is an end run around patents expiring.

      if it was not . about total market control and manipulation.
      they would have no trouble letting 20 yr old seeds go public.

      i do not know if the govt. is in with the seed corp.s or they are just that stupid.

      if our govt. is just going to be a rubber stamp for what Bayer and Monsanto want. then let them run the country.

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        #33
        tweety , weren't you on a couple weeks ago complaining that seed co's havent done anything since 1993 ? give or take , with canola technology . I'm confused
        Tom, we have grown flax all or lives . we have never grown triffid or even heard of it , but we have been paying ever since , and will pay for the rest of our lives ?? WTF. why weren't the people responsible found and charged for this bullshit ? why do we pay as usual

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          #34
          tom can go on and on about still having the right to plant your own seed.

          but the catch is you will never actually own a seed.

          you will just pay to use it every year til the end of time.

          we had better take care of the public varieties we have now.

          keep them perfectly clean, uncontaminated , forever.
          soon they will be un replaceable.

          when the conservatives axe public breeding. and the big boys gobble up anything that even looks like a seed breeder.

          even secan. (maybe the big buyout is what tom is waiting for)

          we will be on our own .
          us and them.

          at first the big guys will be somewhat reasonable. at least until any hint of
          public varieties are washed out of the system.

          then they can really crank it up.
          what else are you gonna plant they own em all.

          there will be one place to go to get seed you can never own.

          that is the vision the govt. has for AG in this country.

          good thing retirement is near.

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            #35
            Nothing wrong with debate, but berating others?

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              #36
              Sawfly, i agree, its a long patent time - but read up on the history and as it turns out Monsanto just plain lucked out.

              Now if the patent was over Dec 1 2015, you still wouldn't be able to grow any of the RR canola's because you signed a contract saying you wouldn't grow the production. the patent is irrelevant.

              Question is, what is happening from now till 2022 to ensure there are RR varieties - even one that can be seeded once the patent is off?

              And yes, i shouldn't say stupid. Sorry.

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                #37
                Good points sawfly but at the rate this Gov't is deregistering and re classifying varieties it is only a matter of time.

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                  #38
                  It's pretty simple really. The average age of farmers is what 55 or older.

                  The young guys buy into the kool-aid of all things it seems lately.

                  Worst case scenario is that the seed chemical companies have to wait 12 years to go all in on this. The government politicians are ****ing stupid (and I will use that word) to let this happen.

                  But wait til tom and his secan gets bought out. It will be like his story about the railways and another hunger strike.

                  No one has enough vision in the current government to think past their nose or the next election. And that is sad.

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                    #39
                    Ok bucket, what is the solution? Constantly pointing out the problems never approaches a solution.

                    How by 2022 do you have a good yielding RR canola with clubroot resistance, multigenic blackleg resistance schlerotinia tolerance - for, as it would seem, you own and is free?

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                      #40
                      How does it work for some of our biggest competitors like Brazil.
                      Or China, one of our largest importers.
                      When dealing commodities there is only one rule.
                      Lowest cost rules.
                      Now blow me some smoke about how lucky we are to get the new stuff 2 years earlier.
                      Often referred to as the bleeding edge.

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                        #41
                        Tweety

                        You don't want me as a politician helping set the rules. Do you?

                        Last time I looked I wasn't getting paid to solve these problems. And to date no one has listened anyway.

                        When you have the canola council recommending shorter rotations that might be a starting point.

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                          #42
                          No way bucket, you can't do that!

                          Not looking for rules, looking for solutions. Most of the posts are about what is wrong and how the farmer is ripped off, costs are too high, and how it all should be free and owned by farmers.

                          Well, what is the answer then?

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                            #43
                            Producers as a whole have way more power than they realize. Organizing and exercising that power is what seems to be lacking. Competing amongst ourselves for perceived limited supplies, capacity and markets is self defeating. Free and open markets for who? Who is "really" competing for YOUR business? Two railroads on seperately owned infrastructure, a small handful of chemical and fertilizer companies, 3-4 major equipment manufacturers who forced dealer consolidation thereby eliminating same brand competition and set rules enforcing it. Afew grain companies and for some people, due to their location, maybe one within reasonable distance. And we all want to be David taking on the Goliaths......

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                              #44
                              3 inches near Russell on Sat night. Awesome. Thank you.

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                                #45
                                Big problem some will see this year with shitty yield is our costs are way to F$&kkng high to grow a frixking crop in canada! Disease control to Fert to seed to in crop! Ever have a issue and it's always your fault!
                                It's a bull shot buisiness at best!

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