Gun Ban

[jazz]

Trudeau already starting us down the path of confiscation. This is what happened in NZ recently.

[furrowtickler]

Go after the hard core criminals and gangs first is what should be done . But no , they will go after joe taxpayer and leave illegal firearms in the hands of “special groups” criminals and gangs and their buddies from Quebec the Hells Angles . They will all still get guns through the black market .
I agree , get rid of assault rifles or what ever .. but start there first , then it’s not an issue for everyone else. But if they don’t crack down on them what’s the point ???? They represent 95% of the gun violence but will be left untouched by this latest liberal political grandstanding announcement.

[newguy]

The type of weapons being banned have no place in a modern society any more than hand gernades.You do not see hand gernades being used by criminals cause not many made cause no legal market.And yes we live next to a country that has much slacker rules to guns than us and guns will still get across the border but that is no excuse to do nothing here.

[furrowtickler]

The type of weapons being banned have no place in a modern society any more than hand gernades.You do not see hand gernades being used by criminals cause not many made cause no legal market.And yes we live next to a country that has much slacker rules to guns than us and guns will still get across the border but that is no excuse to do nothing here.

We live right next door to 12 special areas that have no gun laws .... open your eyes

[chuckChuck]

Scheer is promising to roll back tougher gun laws proving that Conservatives don't want to do much about increasing gun crime.

Reducing the number of legal hand guns and assault rifles will reduce the number that end up being available for criminals. Scheer is soft on preventing gun crime.

Scheer will pay a a price in urban and suburban constituencies where support for banning handguns and assault rifles is very high.

Why does anyone need a handgun? Farmers and hunters don't need them or use them.

Domestic violence accounts for a lot of the gun crime in this country. More guns equals more serious incidents and fatalities.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-why-does-any-canadian-need-a-handgun-what-the-gun-control-debate-is/

Why does any Canadian need a handgun? What the gun control debate is missing

RURAL THEFT, URBAN SLAUGHTER

The little gun shop’s alarm pinged around 3 a.m. on Sept. 14, 2016. By the time a Mountie arrived at Prairie Gun Traders, tucked on the sleepy main street of Avonlea, Sask., the burglar was gone, along with at least five handguns destined for bloodier crimes in bigger cities.

It was a risky heist. Prairie Gun Traders features five concrete barriers and two security cameras out front. A few blocks northeast, just past the credit union and the village office, sits the local RCMP detachment. Even if the getaway were well executed, a pair of brake lights is not easily hidden in the Prairie dark. A single sharp-eyed Mountie with a lead foot makes for a highly effective tracker.

Nonetheless, the case soon went cold and would have remained a forgotten entry in a rural crime blotter if not for an explosion of gunfire 2,000 kilometres east, in Canada’s largest city.

On July 22, 2018, a gunman with a history of mental illness and a .40-calibre Smith & Wesson M&P handgun killed two people – 18-year-old Reese Fallon and 10-year-old Julianna Kozis – and injured 13 others along Toronto’s Danforth Ave., before shooting himself.

The bloodshed ignited a caustic debate over gun control. In the days after the shooting, city councils in Toronto and Montreal voted in favour of a handgun prohibition.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau directed former Toronto police chief Bill Blair, his minister of organized crime reduction, to explore the idea of a ban at the national level. The appointment gave the families of Danforth victims hope that their loved ones had not been killed or wounded in vain.

Since then, the conversation has shifted away from handguns and toward military-style assault rifles.

On Friday, Mr. Trudeau finally unveiled his party’s new gun-control plan, a controversial pledge to ban and buy back assault-style rifles, including the notorious AR-15, which has been used in numerous U.S. mass shootings but has had little role in Canadian gun violence. The plan would also grant municipalities unspecified powers to ban handguns – an approach that has largely failed elsewhere since no city can secure its borders against the illegal flow of guns.

“Thoughts and prayer won’t cut it,” Mr. Trudeau said. “You don’t need a military-grade assault weapon, one designed to take down the most amount of people in the shortest time, to take down a deer."

So, more than a year since the shooting – and with the federal election just a month away – the families of the Danforth victims are still waiting for the Liberals to clamp down on handguns

Meanwhile, the number of gun deaths across Canada continues to climb: By the end of 2018, they hit 249 (up 60 per cent since 2014). Shootings in Toronto notched a record high of 428. Just last weekend, multiple gunmen unleashed 100 bullets in Mississauga, leaving an innocent Grade 12 student dead and five others injured.

In June, the Liberals did pass Bill C-71, tweaking Canada’s existing gun laws to expand background checks for gun licensees, require gun sellers to keep detailed transaction records and place further restrictions on firearm transportation.

But the bill had been in the works for years, delivering on promises the Liberals made in the previous election. (Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has vowed to repeal C-71 as part of his party’s tough-on-crime gun platform.)

What makes this issue all the more complicated, according to advocates on both sides, is the fact that no agency tracks on a national scale where the guns used in crime come from.

Broadly speaking, we know there are two main sources: cross-border smuggling and theft or diversion of legally purchased Canadian guns. But attempts to estimate the ratio vary wildly.

The Globe and Mail has obtained dozens of federal, provincial and municipal databases on guns over the past year, and while the databases revealed much about the types of guns being seized by police, they proved too uneven and incomplete to create any kind of national picture of where they actually came from.

On July 15, former police officer Patrick McLeod stands at the parkette on Toronto's Danforth Avenue where his daughter's friend, Reese Fallon, was shot a year earlier.

For Patrick McLeod, whose daughter narrowly escaped the Danforth shooter, data is merely a distraction. In his mind, the gun-control debate won’t be solved by math, but by morals.

Mr. McLeod is a retired Toronto Police officer who spent three decades with a gun on his hip. He’s also a life-long Conservative supporter, whose backing wavered slightly when the government under Stephen Harper scrapped the long-gun registry, a measure he felt had become a vital investigative tool.

But that all changed in July, 2018. For years, Mr. McLeod lived by the gun. Now, he’d rather live without.

“My personal opinion? We should have no civilian handguns in Canada,” he says. For the past year, he and his wife have been campaigning for a full ban, and they thought the Liberals were going to come through. Now, he says, “they’re kind of wussing out on us.”

He knows a ban is a tough sell to gun owners. “But their desire to shoot paper targets is not a good enough reason to put the rest of the population in peril,” he says.

“Those people on the Danforth weren’t shot with a gun smuggled from the States or a 3D-printed gun or anything else they think law enforcement should be focusing on. They were shot with a Canadian gun. It’s time to do something about Canadian guns.”

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[sk_wheatking]

Ok,

What is an assault rifle? A semi automatic rifle that looks dangerous? You people better wake up. Your ruger 10/22 is an "assault rifle". Oh, your semi automatic 30-06, well that's the same as a browning BAR, better get rid of that. Uh your mini 14 ranch rifle, bye bye. There is no end to what you can consider an assault rifle. If some psycho takes a pump action shotgun into an event the damage that could be done in a short amount of time would be devastating.

It goes on and on. Wake up already .

[furrowtickler]

Scheer is promising to roll back tougher gun laws proving that Conservatives don't want to do much about increasing gun crime.

Reducing the number of legal hand guns and assault rifles will reduce the number that end up being available for criminals. Scheer is soft on preventing gun crime.

Scheer will pay a a price in urban and suburban constituencies where support for banning handguns and assault rifles is very high.

Why does anyone need a handgun? Farmers and hunters don't need them or use them.

Domestic violence accounts for a lot of the gun crime in this country. More guns equals more serious incidents and fatalities.

Wow , you simply don’t get it do you . Your statement is 100% nonsense

[6V53]

Prohibition created a thriving black market in the 1920s and this will also. Guaranteed!

[sk_wheatking]

Scheer is promising to roll back tougher gun laws proving that Conservatives don't want to do much about increasing gun crime.

Reducing the number of legal hand guns and assault rifles will reduce the number that end up being available for criminals. Scheer is soft on preventing gun crime.

Scheer will pay a a price in urban and suburban constituencies where support for banning handguns and assault rifles is very high.

Why does anyone need a handgun? Farmers and hunters don't need them or use them.

Domestic violence accounts for a lot of the gun crime in this country. More guns equals more serious incidents and fatalities.

Speak for yourself. I have a 9mm and have gone through every legal challenge to own it. Yes I understand that you are mentally unstable,as this is what your history here on agriville has indicated, maybe you have instances in your past of domestic violence as well, I dont know, so just because you feel that you shouldn't own a handgun why paint others with the same brush?

[furrowtickler]

Prohibition created a thriving black market in the 1920s and this will also. Guaranteed!

Absolutely it will , the black market for guns is thriving already , this will just make it worse.
Look at the legalization of weed , how’s that panning out lol .

[beaverdam]

Trudeau, Liberals and upchuck, had to come up with something big to distract from the blackface story, so in politics, this is how it's done. Notice upchuck hasn't been commenting about the blackface, but now he shows up to help turn the page for The Turd, mr. bo jangles.

Hand guns have had strict regulation in this country for around 90 years.

Liberals don't want to address the real problem with guns in Ont and Que cities, because for them, it would be racist to confront the black, the brown communities that are doing all the shooting.

upchuck like to point out all the guns that come into Canada from the USA, yet doesn't tell you that most of them are coming in through Indian Reserves like Akwesasne, that straddle both the US and Canadian border. How convenient is that? Of course this can't be addressed either, as it would be considered racist.

Legal gun owners are so much more easier for government and the police to deal with, as apposed to criminals, that's so much harder and so much more controversial and takes so much more time, besides criminals don't really care about government policy.

[6V53]

Prohibition created a thriving black market in the 1920s and this will also. Guaranteed!

It was easier to buy booze during prohibition than it was after.

[chuckChuck]

Trudeau, Liberals and upchuck, had to come out with something big to distract from the blackface story, so in politics, this is how it's done. Notice upchuck hasn't been commenting about the blackface, but now he shows up to help turn the page for The Turd, mr. bo jangles.

Hand guns have had strict regulation in this country for around 90 years.

Liberals don't want to address the real problem with guns in Ont and Que cities, because for them, it would be racist to confront the black, the brown communities that are doing all the shooting.

upchuck like to point out all the guns that come into Canada from the USA, yet doesn't tell you that most of them are coming in through Indian Reserves like Akwesasne, that straddle both the US and Canadian border. How convenient is that? Of course this can't be addressed either, as it would be considered racist.

Legal gun owners are so much more easier for government and the police to deal with, as apposed to criminals, that's so much harder and so much more controversial and takes so much more time, besides criminals don't really care about government policy.

Trudeau is an idiot, but you are a bigger idiot blaming visible minorities for all the gun crime.

Alexandre Bissonette, Quebec City, Justin Bourque, Moncton, Marc Lepine, Montreal to name a few high profile cases.

All white perpetrators of European decent!

[chuckChuck]

There is no single solution to increasing gun crime. It will take multiple efforts to stop illegal guns and legal guns ending up in the hands of criminals.

Scheer doesn't want to offend the gun lobby or his gun toting rural base. He is soft on gun crime.

Nobody has made a credible case as to why they need a hand gun. Why?