Electric.

[TOM4CWB]

It is a fallacy that underground electrical conductors can’t carry higher amperage loads…

The reality is… as the amperage load increases… the voltage must increase exponentially…

Practically the cost of underground electrical conductors rises exponentially…. While overhead power lines can be upgraded and voltage increased to supply the increased amperage requirements.

Further… EV charging requirements are exponentially more than an electrical range… for cooking… electric dryer or water heater.

Therefore the total amperage requirements for the transportation fleet running on electricity alone… is exponentially more expensive than hydrogen or hydrocarbon fuels.

Any elementary school students can figure this out… if they are actually provided with factual information.

CC is baiting us… in a cold Canadian weather climate… these EV costs increase to astronomical costs…

Cheers… as the Bible says over and over…. Don’t be deceived!!!!

[wade]

Anyone know the cost of fire insurance for an EV?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Anyone know the cost of fire insurance for an EV?

Comprehensive insurance for EVs is somewhat more expensive than ice vehicles.
I would be curious to know who covers the incidental damages from a vehicle fire. If any vehicle urns in a garage or parking garage or public place and causes other damage, I assume the insurance companies get to fight about who pays for what. Can the automotive insurance provider be responsible for the loss of a garage or house or condo unit? Do they go after the car maker themselves?

[chuckChuck]

So ICE vehicles never catch fire? LOL

And most of your auto insurance goes for collision damage risk.

But don't let that stop you from making more feeble excuses against EVs.

[chuckChuck]

Chuck2, I own the top 12 inches. The Province owns what lies beneath, they have the mineral rights, I do not. They have the right to access what they own.

They do but if you signed a surface lease 20 years ago and received a payment for permanent damage to the land, what is the value of that land and damage today? In many cases multiple times higher.

You can review the annual payment for loss of use and nuisance but you can never revise the permanent damage payment

How many of you would have been satisfied with a payment for permanent damage based on much lower land values 30 years later?

The reason it's called permanent damage is in many cases the land is permanently damaged and lost for decades.

Is the value of the production the same as 30 years ago? Nope

But whether you agree or disagree with the issues around surface leases, the surface right arbitration board will enforce access for the oil company and take the negotiation process out of the hands of the landowner if you don't agree with their plans and compensation.

So much for the concept of property rights when dealing with oil companies. Property rights are limited by government intervention and regulation in favour of the oil industry.

[WiltonRanch]

They do but if you signed a surface lease 20 years ago and received a payment for permanent damage to the land, what is the value of that land and damage today? In many cases multiple times higher.

You can review the annual payment for loss of use and nuisance but you can never revise the permanent damage payment

How many of you would have been satisfied with a payment for permanent damage based on much lower land values 30 years later?

The reason it's called permanent damage is in many cases the land is permanently damaged and lost for decades.

Is the value of the production the same as 30 years ago? Nope

But whether you agree or disagree with the issues around surface leases, the surface right arbitration board will enforce access for the oil company and take the negotiation process out of the hands of the landowner if you don't agree with their plans and compensation.

So much for the concept of property rights when dealing with oil companies. Property rights are limited by government intervention and regulation in favour of the oil industry.

If you never want any wells do not allow seismic. You have that right to not allow initial access and they’ll probably not bother you. Or just act like a complete lunatic. We have guys around who never allowed any seismic and never had a well.

[Hamloc]

I thought this article in Reuters was interesting. American companies waiting to see if they can use foreign made solar cells to receive IRA subsidies to assemble solar panels in the U.S. At present there is no American made solar cells!!!!

[jazz]

Enviro-yahoos blocking each other is just an epic self own for the climate cult.

[furrowtickler]

Take time to watch this, dont get rid of your ICE vehicle . This makes way more sense as it will not put a massive load on the electric grid or cost billions to invest in charging stations.

https://youtu.be/tfcktcL1la8

Canada just about to waste billions of tax dollars in the new VW battery plant that will be obsolete before its built

[chuckChuck]

That's why I kept my party line and out door toilet. That new expensive tech will never work! LOL

[fjlip]

So what's wrong with ZERO C02 emissions CC?

No insane batteries, insane costs to change the planet?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That's why I kept my party line and out door toilet. That new expensive tech will never work! LOL

This is a great analogy chuck. Replacing the outhouse with indoor plumbing, and trying to compare that to electric cars.
The outhouse was 100% reliable, never plugged or flooded, no handle to jiggle, no parts to wear out, no power bill no water bill, didn't matter if the power went out, no sewers to freeze, or sump pumps to fail, cost almost nothing to build, and even less to maintain. But for some reason, virtually everyone was willing to spend large amounts of their own money to replace the outdoor out house with indoor plumbing, fraught with all of the well-known problems and ongoing expenses involved with that.
And everyone switched to indoor plumbing without any government mandates or subsidies or propaganda.
They switched to the new technology because the indoor experience was such an improvement over using an outhouse by every measure imaginable. The hassle and the risks and the cost were worth every penny.
Can any of that be said for electric cars?

[jazz]

[Taiga]

So Chuck which EV did you end up deciding on and purchase?

[Hamloc]

So Quebec, the biggest producer of hydropower in Canada got to greedy and now is asking consumers to conserve electricity, go figure!!