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    Metals mines association, accounting for most federal enviro assessments, OK with Bil

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mining-sector-ok-with-c69-1.5174095

    Metals mines association, accounting for most federal enviro assessments, OK with Bill C-69

    New bill gives more clarity and flexibility in assessment process says mining association head
    The Canadian Press · Posted: Jun 13, 2019 2:06 PM ET | Last Updated: June 13
    Pierre Gratton, the president and CEO of the Mining Association of Canada, says the federal government's bill revamping the environmental assessment process for natural resources projects is an improvement over existing legislation. (Mining Association of Canada)

    The head of the Mining Association of Canada says the hotly contested federal environmental assessment bill is welcome in the industry it will affect the most.

    "This promises to be a better system than what we've had for the last seven years," said Pierre Gratton, the president of the association.

    Bill C-69 overhauls Canada's environmental assessment regime for major national resource and transportation projects but the high-octane opposition from the oil and gas sector has drowned out much of the comment from other affected industries.

    While the bill affects interprovincial pipelines, oilsands projects, offshore oil projects and oil refineries, it also applies to hydro dams, natural-gas power plants, the construction or decommissioning of military bases and airports, and most commonly, mines.

    Since 2012, when the existing Canadian Environmental Assessment Act came into effect under the former Conservative government, Gratton said as many as 60 per cent of assessments have applied to mines producing things like diamonds, gold, zinc and copper.

    "That cohort has felt consistently that C-69 represented an improvement on the status quo," Gratton said.

    He said that was true in 2018, when the House of Commons debated and passed the bill, and it's true today, after the Liberal government rejected a majority of amendments proposed by the Senate.

    Environment Minister Catherine McKenna said Wednesday she would accept 62 Senate amendments as written and 37 more with some adjustments. But the rest of the amendments, including 90 per cent of those proposed by Conservative senators, are hitting the slag heap.

    "We will not accept amendments that give provinces a veto over projects in federal jurisdiction," she said. "We will not accept amendments that make it optional to consult Indigenous people."
    The mining petroleum divide

    In addition to creating a new Impact Assessment Agency to oversee the reviews, the bill says reviews must consider a project's effect on climate change and the construction effort's impact on women to the criteria for consideration. A pre-planning design phase will be required to try to have proponents seek out and understand the concerns that will be raised and address them before making formal applications.

    The government will have set timelines to make decisions within, and all decisions will have to be accompanied with explanations, including publicly reporting any of the scientific evidence used.

    Conservative MPs, senators and at least six premiers are adamant this legislation will be the death knell for the oil industry, prevent any new pipelines from ever being built in Canada and send energy investors scurrying to find other countries in which to spend their money.

    The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers said late Wednesday the government is "risking the country's economic future" by not accepting all the Senate amendments.

    One of the biggest concerns is the bill's requirement to take into account climate change.

    Gratton said the oilsands and uranium segments of the mining industry remain strongly opposed to the legislation. But mineral- and metal-mining companies, which have operations across Canada, are happy with it. He said the legislation from 2012 made assessments harder for mines because provincial and federal governments couldn't easily work together to have one single assessment, which C-69 fixes.

    He said the new regime also has more flexibility for assessments to take into account the specific circumstances of different projects and also allows for federal permitting to get underway at the same time as an assessment is conducted, cutting the total time for getting a project approved.

    He said the 2012 legislation did not "live up to its promise."

    "We actively pursued changes that would address the problems we encountered and we believe that the biggest ones for that cohort have been largely addressed in this bill. It's not to say that suddenly federal environmental assessment is going to be easy. It's still going to be onerous. But some of the real problems that were not really justifiable (are gone.)"

    #2
    You don't hear much about the support for Bill C69 from the metal mining industry.

    What you get is a lot of noise from Moe and Kenney repeating their lines written for them by the oil and gas industry, who don't want to accept any responsibility for climate change or environmental problems. They want taxpayers to pay for it all.

    The oil industry lobbies hard against even small attempts to make it more accountable and responsible on environmental issues.

    The best example is the way they keep ignoring abandoned, suspended, and orphaned wells. Completely irresponsible. Taxpayers will be paying billions for their cleanup!

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      #3
      What a cherry picker socialist you are chuck. If course mines like it. They can transport their goods out on the back of old half ton. Potash goes out on trains on our rail system built in the 1800s.

      See what happens when the next hydro dam and transmission line tries to get going.

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        #4
        So that assumes every new mine has a road and rail system already in place? Not a chance. Read the article and you will see why the metals mining industry likes C69.

        The oil industry doesn't want to do anything about the problems that they cause because lets face it, oil demand will drop as other forms of lower carbon energy are developed and implemented. Its an industry that will likely decline in importance at some point in the future. Maybe sooner than later.

        So just like the tobacco industry fights every new regulation or innovation that affects their product demand so does the oil and gas industry.

        When a Conservative Prime Minister Harper from Calgary said Canada would stop using fossil energy by the year 2100 you know the writing is on the wall. It may take longer than 80 years but you and I won't be around to see it anyway.

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          #5
          I agree with chuck on this. Minimoe and Kenney the puppets have no interest In any other industry other than oil that will be here long after oil is gone because they don’t pay them off just like us farmers we just pay the oil bills.

          Andrew made a absolute fool of himself criticizing the approval of the pipeline?????? How dumb must his writers be. Bucket get down to Ottawa and out some sense into these knuckle heads.
          Go ahead and question when and how much but to criticize approval did he want them to not approve it or what?

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            #6
            So you mean this end of the oil age?

            https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-why-the-great-fossil-fuel-phase-out-is-scientific-economic-and-political-fantasy-akin-to-time-travel Why the global fossil-fuel phase-out is a fantasy

            If not nuclear, then maybe solar? According to a U.S. government site, it takes about three million solar panels to produce one gigawatt of energy, which means that by 2050 the world will need 3,000,000 X 11,865 solar panels to offset fossil fuels. The wind alternative would require about 430 new wind turbines each of the 11,865 days leading to 2050.

            To produce the electric power needed to offset the lost fossil fuel energy, Canada would have to build 2.5 hydro power dams the size of British Columbia’s $13-billion Site C project somewhere in the country “every year for the foreseeable future” leading up to the proposed 2050 carbon reduction targets. The geographic and cost obstacles send that prospect into the realm of the impossible.

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              #7
              Originally posted by jazz View Post
              So you mean this end of the oil age?

              https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-why-the-great-fossil-fuel-phase-out-is-scientific-economic-and-political-fantasy-akin-to-time-travel Why the global fossil-fuel phase-out is a fantasy

              If not nuclear, then maybe solar? According to a U.S. government site, it takes about three million solar panels to produce one gigawatt of energy, which means that by 2050 the world will need 3,000,000 X 11,865 solar panels to offset fossil fuels. The wind alternative would require about 430 new wind turbines each of the 11,865 days leading to
              To produce the electric power needed to offset the lost fossil fuel energy, Canada would have to build 2.5 hydro power dams the size of British Columbia’s $13-billion Site C project somewhere in the country “every year for the foreseeable future” leading up to the proposed 2050 carbon reduction targets. The geographic and cost obstacles send that prospect into the realm of the impossible.
              You are assuming technology is staying the same as it is now it isn’t. And could have been done a long time ago.
              The reason we are not progressing in these other technologies is because the oil industry controls both sides of politics. The puppets they buy off and the other guys that don’t want to give up the tax money as much as they hate oil or pretend to.

              Once the electric cars come on line even if half went electric what would the price of oil be then and that’s only 5 to 10 years away.
              Last edited by the big wheel; Jun 21, 2019, 20:00.

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                #8
                Maybe they "consulted" the oil and gas industry like the NDP government "consulted" farmers on Bill 6?

                All the lip service you heard coming from the government was that farmers were in agreement with the new bill, but the farmers were ready to beat down the doors (and the idiot officials from the government) at the town hall meetings.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by the big wheel View Post
                  You are assuming technology is staying the same as it is now it isn’t. And could have been done a long time ago.
                  The reason we are not progressing in these other technologies is because the oil industry controls both sides of politics. The puppets they buy off and the other guys that don’t want to give up the tax money as much as they hate oil or pretend to.

                  Once the electric cars come on line even if half went electric what would the price of oil be then and that’s only 5 to 10 years away.
                  And as soon as someone has to start using conspiracy theories to justify why their pet theory doesn't work, most rational people tune out.

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                    #10
                    Hardly a conspiracy theory that Big Oil controls Government, rather a statement of fact.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                      Hardly a conspiracy theory that Big Oil controls Government, rather a statement of fact.
                      The fact that fossil fuels continue to supply the vast majority of energy to the globe, inspite of billions spent trying to displace them, has everything to do with physics, and not conspiracies.

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                        #12
                        These socialists just yap at anything big. Just like Chihuahuas yipping at Greyhound buses. Their jealous insecurities blind them to the real truth - carbon is the staff of life and our society is villanizing it by brainwashing kids in schools. This socialist BS is putrid.

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                          #13
                          Why do socialists bash the very thing that provides for their socialism? Talk about sadist.

                          Oil is one of the reasons you can walk into a hospital and not have to pay to get treated. And we want to kill this off and natter about a few govt benefits given to the industry and then dream some green fairy tale.

                          You guys are nuts.

                          Did you read the article. We need to build 2 hydro dams a year to offset oil. Or billions of solar panels or millions of windmills. It will never happen.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jazz View Post
                            Why do socialists bash the very thing that provides for their socialism? Talk about sadist.

                            Oil is one of the reasons you can walk into a hospital and not have to pay to get treated. And we want to kill this off and natter about a few govt benefits given to the industry and then dream some green fairy tale.

                            You guys are nuts.

                            Did you read the article. We need to build 2 hydro dams a year to offset oil. Or billions of solar panels or millions of windmills. It will never happen.
                            Oil had its day its on the way out. Get in touch with the reality of what the rest of the world is doing they are leaving us behind our paid off representatives want to suck out the last dollars they can meanwhile everyone else moving forward. It’s so dumb beyond belief how sheep follow.
                            The last oil boom doubled our farm expenses can’t you see that? The pst is still paying for the last boom and the walk to the hospital. Lmao.

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                              #15
                              On the CBC national Thursday night Rosemary Barton was interviewing environment minister Catherine McKenna. Rosemary brings up that the Parliamentary Budget Office had released a report that the carbon tax would have to be $102 a tonne by 2030 for Canada to meet the targets it agreed to under the Paris accord. Rosemary asked the minister why the federal Liberal's had stated that they wouldn't raise it above the planned $50 a tonne and how Canada would meet its targets? Well the minister talked about the plastics ban and electric cars and then she said this(from memory) that the carbon tax was only going to get us 20% of the way to our targets anyway!!!! This to me is quite a revelation when on national television the environment minister who has recently announced the imposition of a federal carbon tax on Alberta as of Jan. 1,2020, because in her words there has to be a price on pollution says that the carbon tax will make such a small difference. So in reality it is just another useless tax!!!!!!

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