Canola and planters

[sumdumguy]

2 degrees at 4:00

[Oliver88]

Last frost scare in the 14 day forecast.

[Guest]

+1 @ 5:30
how you making out in NW Sask , chuck? cold there also ?

[furrowtickler]

Beauty here this morning..


8 c showers west

[farmaholic]

WTF are you applying this a.m.?

[furrowtickler]

Lol just running the morning shift ....


Barley , will make far less stressful at harvest

[Misterjade9]

Low of 0 here this morning, but it was really foggy from 3 to just a half hour ago, grass extremely wet so that should help on the frost side of things.

So furrow, do you try and target about 180-190K seeds/ac, which is 4-5 plants per square foot? with 4.9TKW. What do you allow for mortality?

[furrowtickler]

Low of 0 here this morning, but it was really foggy from 3 to just a half hour ago, grass extremely wet so that should help on the frost side of things.

So furrow, do you try and target about 180-190K seeds/ac, which is 4-5 plants per square foot? with 4.9TKW. What do you allow for mortality?

Yup
We allow for 5% mortality . Been the average the past 3 years. That includes a bit of frost loss and beetle pressure. Only had to spray headlands on the first seeded fields . Canola generally grows fast enough not to worry . Not having any fertilizer burn issues helps a lot as well as no packing directly above the seed helps canola emerge relatively fast even in dry conditions or muddy wet areas

Just a few things we have noted the past 4 years

[poorboy]

How to fertilize with planter

Furrow on your planter what is your fertilizer program? You say fall NH3 ahead of canola, and I assume liquid phosphate with the seed, but what about your sulphur? Can you put all your phosphate needs down as liquid and have seed safety? I am trying to use 50+ lbs/ac of P2O5.

Seed rate on your peas at 120 lbs seems low. What spacing is your planter? On my farm the weeds seem much worse in thinner pea stands. You had been playing with liquid treflan in the pea seed row to help with root rot. Do you mix that in with the liquid phosphate? Are you inoculating the pea seed or adding the innoculant to the liquid starter.

The low seeding rate is very appealing. Makes a planter look like a great option compared to buying another airdrill. Much maintenance on a planter?

[furrowtickler]

Furrow on your planter what is your fertilizer program? You say fall NH3 ahead of canola, and I assume liquid phosphate with the seed, but what about your sulphur? Can you put all your phosphate needs down as liquid and have seed safety? I am trying to use 50+ lbs/ac of P2O5.

Seed rate on your peas at 120 lbs seems low. What spacing is your planter? On my farm the weeds seem much worse in thinner pea stands. You had been playing with liquid treflan in the pea seed row to help with root rot. Do you mix that in with the liquid phosphate? Are you inoculating the pea seed or adding the innoculant to the liquid starter.

The low seeding rate is very appealing. Makes a planter look like a great option compared to buying another airdrill. Much maintenance on a planter?

Did some NH3 last fall , what we could before freeze up
Had the balance of acres spread this spring then worked in with case turbo till 330
I have also just streamed on 28-0-0 with a stabilizer, worked good as well but need to rely on rain to get it down . The past few very dry springs made me gun shy . Hence the NH3 last fall .
Yes liquid phos is applied just below the seed
800 gal on board tank with sectional control
We use Alpine . It’s not quite enough to be honest so we are considering a banding outfit for fall on 15 in space to get N and some more dry Phos down in a band then run planter over that band at seeding time ... work in progress.
One thing with Alpine you can alway top up with herbicide if needed . Very safe to use .
Adding liquid inoculant in with alpine . Worked very well last year . Only second year using the Horsch planting peas . Last year we were very surprised with the side by side trials . The other drill was at 200 lbs / ac . Yield was slightly better with planter.
Yes treflan is part of weed control now and root rot management. The Rack did a lot of research on that a few years ago .
Maintenance is actually way less than we thought . We replace disks each spring . Had two bearing go in 4 years . It’s a 10 min swap
They look more scary for maintenance than what we found .
Extremely accurate and quick seeding if the land is prepared right ahead of time

[furrowtickler]

When you mean heavy trash are you talking 150bu oat stubble?

Peas now ...

60 bus wheat stubble , harrowed once last fall

[poorboy]

Furrow what row spacing on your planter?

Any idea if planters skew on steep hillsides?

Thanks for sharing your info and photos.

[furrowtickler]

Furrow what row spacing on your planter?

Any idea if planters skew on steep hillsides?

Thanks for sharing your info and photos.

We can run 15 in or 30 in
All canola , peas Blackbeans and soybeans are on 15 in space
We also did corn on 15 in this year . Other results from area look beneficial over a 30 inch spacing
No the Horsch does not skew much , stats fairly stable

[tweety]

Why the much higher cost of a planter for an indeterminate crop like canola?

2 lbs of 4 gm seed is 4 plants per foot at 80% mortality. 4 is pretty low for all the things that can go wrong. 5 gm seed is around 3 plants. Would seem there is much better places to save money.

[furrowtickler]

Why the much higher cost of a planter for an indeterminate crop like canola?

2 lbs of 4 gm seed is 4 plants per foot at 80% mortality. 4 is pretty low for all the things that can go wrong. 5 gm seed is around 3 plants. Would seem there is much better places to save money.

Lol , it’s much more than saving a bit of canola
Ideally shoot for 200,000 seeds per ac or slightly less in ideal conditions
Average is 2 lbs but can be 1.7 to 2.5
Keeps close to 5 plants per foot . Seems to average seed spacing 2.2 to 2.5 inch
As I have said for a few years ... it’s not for everyone . But neither is a $600,000 tractor and $600,000 drill . But they most likely work great for those that have them 👍.
Higher cost ? Compared to what ?