Hydroxchloroquine

[FarmJunkie]

Follow the money. Why u think bill gates wants a vaccine instead of using a 80 year old drug

[tweety]

...maybe it/s you sir that's unable to do the critical thinking.
...are you so naive you think pharma wouldn]t goose a study for their own benefit?

Could very well be, lets see, lets put all studies aside. No one really gets better or seems to make much difference between taking and not taking HCQ. Taking the drug can impose a higher side effects risk then not taking it - they have known this for years. Critical thinking would suggest no matter who makes money or not, the drug is a non event.

What is needed is a drug that works, and HCQ has been found not to work - except in Trumps and Jazz's opinion. The hard reality is they haven't found anything that markedly helps yet. At this time, Covid19 for the win.

When you give a drug to a patient and it actually helps, the medical community knows right away. So far, nothing.

Would you agree or disagree A990?

[A990]

Could very well be, lets see, lets put all studies aside. No one really gets better or seems to make much difference between taking and not taking HCQ. Taking the drug can impose a higher side effects risk then not taking it - they have known this for years. Critical thinking would suggest no matter who makes money or not, the drug is a non event.

What is needed is a drug that works, and HCQ has been found not to work - except in Trumps and Jazz's opinion. The hard reality is they haven't found anything that markedly helps yet. At this time, Covid19 for the win.

When you give a drug to a patient and it actually helps, the medical community knows right away. So far, nothing.

Would you agree or disagree A990?

The drug my well be a non event and if it was the silver bullet we would know by now. However this study doesn't pass the sniff test, granted i'm no medical researcher but then neither are you.

So in this study the sicker patients who were already more likely to die from COVID-19 were twice as likely to get the drugs. So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death?
... i find t very difficult to believe is that somehow, a drug that has been in use for years for malaria and arthritis is now all of a sudden a death drug when used in a COVID infected person…

..it seems they were looking for a result/ ask yourself why these (treatment of patients with co-morbidities at late stages) were tested instead of administering HCQ+zinc at first symptoms -- where anecdotally it seems worth testing

...o, and it's not just trump and Jazz's opinion

https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/ https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/

https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf. https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf.

[tweety]

The drug my well be a non event and if it was the silver bullet we would know by now. However this study doesn't pass the sniff test, granted i'm no medical researcher but then neither are you.

So in this study the sicker patients who were already more likely to die from COVID-19 were twice as likely to get the drugs. So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death?
... i find t very difficult to believe is that somehow, a drug that has been in use for years for malaria and arthritis is now all of a sudden a death drug when used in a COVID infected person…

..it seems they were looking for a result/ ask yourself why these (treatment of patients with co-morbidities at late stages) were tested instead of administering HCQ+zinc at first symptoms -- where anecdotally it seems worth testing

...o, and it's not just trump and Jazz's opinion

https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/ https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/

https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf. https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf.

I'll take that as an agree to it doesn't work. Correct me if i'm wrong in your assessment. I agree with you there are lots of questions, but the main one is answered, it has been tried in almost 100,000 patients and it doesn't help. That is unfortunate in many ways.

[A990]

I'll take that as an agree to it doesn't work. Correct me if i'm wrong in your assessment. I agree with you there are lots of questions, but the main one is answered, it has been tried in almost 100,000 patients and it doesn't help. That is unfortunate in many ways.

..imagine a study of engine oil on different engines.
Some engines had already spun a rod brg, some had wiped a lobe on the camshaft,and so on

..and in this study this oil was tested on these engines and it was found that these engines still failed.

...my takeaway from this study would not be that oil doesn't help but the study was flawed

So,no I don't agree it doesn't work
....if it's tested early onset with zinc and fails i will cahnge my mind,i wonder if you would change your's

testing is still ongoing

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/professional-downloads/recovery_noticetoinvestigators_2020-05-24_1422.pdf https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/professional-downloads/recovery_noticetoinvestigators_2020-05-24_1422.pdf

[A990]

Brazilian scientists and academics write an Open Letter on the “science” of the coronavirus pandemic:

https://conexaopolitica.com.br/ultimas/brazilian-scientists-and-academics-write-an-open-letter-on-the-science-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://conexaopolitica.com.br/ultimas/brazilian-scientists-and-academics-write-an-open-letter-on-the-science-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic/ .

[tweety]

..imagine a study of engine oil on different engines.
Some engines had already spun a rod brg, some had wiped a lobe on the camshaft,and so on

..and in this study this oil was tested on these engines and it was found that these engines still failed.

...my takeaway from this study would not be that oil doesn't help but the study was flawed

So,no I don't agree it doesn't work
....if it's tested early onset with zinc and fails i will cahnge my mind,i wonder if you would change your's

testing is still ongoing

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/professional-downloads/recovery_noticetoinvestigators_2020-05-24_1422.pdf https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/professional-downloads/recovery_noticetoinvestigators_2020-05-24_1422.pdf

Really good news today for the people HCQ actually helps. I would change my mind if there was a single peer reviewed DBS that showed any promise. Seems the global trial for the Trump drug has been decided and suspended.

GENEVA -- The World Health Organization said Monday that it will temporarily drop hydroxychloroquine -- the malaria drug U.S. President Trump says he is taking -- from its global study into experimental COVID-19 treatments, saying that its experts need to review all available evidence to date.

In a press briefing, WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that in light of a paper published last week in the Lancet that showed people taking hydroxychloroquine were at higher risk of death and heart problems, there would be "a temporary pause" on the hydroxychloroquine arm of its global clinical trial.

"This concern relates to the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19," Tedros said, adding that the drugs are approved treatments for people with malaria or autoimmune diseases. Other treatments in the trial, including the experimental drug remdesivir and an HIV combination therapy, are still being tested.

They need something that actually shows a strong enough benefit

[agstar77]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/photos/the-news-in-cartoons-updated-may-29/ss-BB14MIpq?ocid=spartandhp#image=35 This about sums it up.

[shtferbrains]

Lots of professionals questioning the validity of your favorite Hydroxychloroquine study.

[A990]

https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air .

[A990]

"Seems like politics laundered as science, then fed to a complicit media, over eager to paint trump
as an idiot.

Also interesting that the WHO
changed policy due to the study, but didn't independently verify results..."

[wd9]

There is a good study going on at https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine-potential-therapy-covid-19-begins https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine-potential-therapy-covid-19-begins but you will have to wait till 2021 for the results.

In the mean time you, I, or anyone else have no idea if it kills more then it helps. No matter how many links you post. All I am trying to say is that if actually helped, it should be more obvious. The only thing obvious is the st elongation in too many patients and resulting in cardiac death. Canada has officially stopped all testing as well.

For some reason most Doctors don't like "experimental treatments" that kill more then help even if it can't be proven and are slow to change if it can be proven.

Besides why worry, most of you think it isn't any worse then influenza so just let them die like influenza. Now get back to work, we have an unsustainable economy to attend to.

[Guest]

List of side effects

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/hydroxychloroquine-side-effects.html


These particular ones of concern manifesting in orange man

[shtferbrains]

Covid19 Riots,burning and looting have knocked Hydroxychloroquine and covid in general out of the news cycle.

5 days and counting.

Had over 10,000 National Guard out in Twin Cities last night.

[A990]

In the mean time you, I, or anyone else have no idea if it kills more then it helps. No matter how many links you post. All I am trying to say is that if actually helped, it should be more obvious. The only thing obvious is the st elongation in too many patients and resulting in cardiac death. Canada has officially stopped all testing as well.

For some reason most Doctors don't like "experimental treatments" that kill more then help even if it can't be proven and are slow to change if it can be proven.

Besides why worry, most of you think it isn't any worse then influenza so just let them die like influenza. Now get back to work, we have an unsustainable economy to attend to.

..true, you or i don't really know if it kills more than it helps but then you really don't know i think it isn't any worse than the flu..... doesn't stop you from sharing your opinion

....i agree if HQ was a silver bullet we would know by now. But interesting to me is how people faith in "science" not realizing results can be pushed for profit or even politics.

..won't post another link until lancet prints a retraction.