Thoughts?

[wmoebis]

Sounds like these steel companies are getting $500million in loans not bailouts. Kinda the same thing they offer farmers when the poop hits the fan.

Yet we never hear steel companies come out saying they don't need another loan! Farmers got up to1$ Million (some int free) advance each and they complained not one said thank you.

Do farmers really think that getting rid of CFIA and CGC is a good idea? People get screwed and even die when products (your products) aren't monitored and inspected independently.

[Old Cowzilla]

Never complained about any loan I got just the amount of collateral I had to put up sometimes

[LEP]

Yet we never hear steel companies come out saying they don't need another loan! Farmers got up to1$ Million (some int free) advance each and they complained not one said thank you.

Do farmers really think that getting rid of CFIA and CGC is a good idea? People get screwed and even die when products (your products) aren't monitored and inspected independently.

Not one said thank you??

I was an ag banker for 10 years. I had many clients that were appreciative of the cash advance. I really think your exposure to ag is indicative of the jealous elevator manager.

I once had one make a comment about all the big cheques farmers get. I said I just spent a million on seed, chemical and fertilizer here. Unfortunately I need those big cheques so I can spend them here.

[LEP]

So heres the main problem.

Every single farmer would slit the other guys throat for a half section of number 1 dirt for 40$/ acre rent.

We may be the MOST unagreeable...fractured...neighbour hating group of people that Ive ever met.


We cant even agree which color combine is best ( hint.. theyre all awesome in their own right)
let alone on ag policy.

Plus.. In thinking this over... we are all individuals where MOST other large industries are alot more monopolized and do not have the member numbers that a " 1 farm group" would have.


Seriously.
Farmers effing haaaaaattteee eachother and its sad because we could be so so soooo powerful.
But instead.. greed and yield ( not profit per acre) have taken over the mental psyche of most farmers ( especcciiiaaalllyy those under 50)
i see it. You see it. We all see it.


If you Put 10 farmers in a room they would argue over the best way to climb a ladder.

Sad. But true.
Thats why lobbying for ag doesnt work. .

I mean really... tell me that the NFU doesnt have some GOOD policies. Are they not the largest ag lobbying group in canada???
but the vast majority of guys hate them because they support ( ed) policies to combat climate change ...but their stance on seed saving and farmer owned genetics is pretty... excellent.

Too many member... too many different crops... too many different areas.

I cant think of another lobbying group that would have our membership numbers ... or even come close really. ( other than unions)

This quote about farmers hating each other says more about you than it does about the real situation out there.

[chuckChuck]

LEP farmers have some control over expenses.

So maybe borrowing a million to put the crop in when you could reduce costs and get by with with more used equipment would be called good management?

MNP says that they see large and smaller farms that range from quite profitable to losing money. A lot comes down to circumstances, management and weather.

I don't think taxpayers should be subsidizing large farms that are driving up the cost of land and increasing consolidation.

Instead lets support medium to smaller sized owner operator farms to keep them viable and competitive and a strong part of our rural communities.

[fjlip]

What acres or gross income would small, medium, large fall into? How many families are involved? Lots of variables.

[wmoebis]

Not one said thank you??

I was an ag banker for 10 years. I had many clients that were appreciative of the cash advance. I really think your exposure to ag is indicative of the jealous elevator manager.

I once had one make a comment about all the big cheques farmers get. I said I just spent a million on seed, chemical and fertilizer here. Unfortunately I need those big cheques so I can spend them here.

Can you show me one place where they had positive remarks in public? No doubt they are thankful behind closed doors but in public all we see is that they don't need another loan and put down the Gov't for increasing it.

As an AG banker do you think the increase in Cash Advance was a good thing or what should have they done instead? Maybe it was good enough the way it was. I am happy that they tried to help out farmers, but maybe I am wrong.

[LEP]

Can you show me one place where they had positive remarks in public? No doubt they are thankful behind closed doors but in public all we see is that they don't need another loan and put down the Gov't for increasing it.

As an AG banker do you think the increase in Cash Advance was a good thing or what should have they done instead? Maybe it was good enough the way it was. I am happy that they tried to help out farmers, but maybe I am wrong.

I believe the President of Sask Wheat Growers said just that. We appreciate the cash advance but it is just another loan. I believe he said that because many non farmers think it was a give away. My fert bill on canola ground is $153/ac.

So it takes alot of cash for inputs. A $million isn't what it used to be.

[LEP]

LEP farmers have some control over expenses.

So maybe borrowing a million to put the crop in when you could reduce costs and get by with with more used equipment would be called good management?

MNP says that they see large and smaller farms that range from quite profitable to losing money. A lot comes down to circumstances, management and weather.

I don't think taxpayers should be subsidizing large farms that are driving up the cost of land and increasing consolidation.

Instead lets support medium to smaller sized owner operator farms to keep them viable and competitive and a strong part of our rural communities.

Every sector of business is the same. Large doesn't necessarily mean you are profitable and small or medium doesn't mean they aren't.

[shtferbrains]

Commodity producers is margin per unit x volume.
Mining, oil, Steel, Lumber, grain, fertilizer, livestock....
If you expand at the wrong time volume won't fix it.
If you don't expand they ones with a lower cost per unit will eat your lunch.
Steel might be the most unforgiving.
When Canadian farmers took the lead on zero till, they took a quantum leap.
Extreme increase in productivity accompanied by much more productive harvest capacity.

Now we need help with the input suppliers taking huge profits on the same thing they have been peddling for generations.