Alberta separation

[Blaithin]

The people are there for Canada.

The regulations and development are there for Canada.

You want to leave Canada and still use their regulations and research?

You want to leave Canada and still think the people are going to be available for you?

You think Canada is going to be nice and give everything over free and clear?

SGS, Walter, hell, even I can grade the grain the same. What he’s saying is separating will leave the shelter of the regulatory bodies. While we could still grade the wheat a #1, we could no longer call it a [NODE="1"]Home[/NODE] CWRS as it would not be a Canadian Western variety. It would be a theoretical ABRS which does not have the decades of regulations and research behind it that CWRS does and if you think export markets won’t try and lowball for that, your head is in the sand.

Then there’s the technicalities Walter hit on at port. Ports are built for Canadian grain and hold Canadian designations like CWRS and CPSR. A separated province that no longer grows those would require different handling. Why would Canada risk their regulations by willy nilly dumping in ABRS that they have no control of regulations or over site for? Graincos aren’t going to want to mix them all up together and risk not being able to move anything should Canada or Alberta manage to annoy a market.

China turns around and says ABRS has issues with quality and they don’t want it, GrainCos are going to want to prove they don’t mix CWRS with ABRS, here keep buying all the CWRS they have. Alberta says they’re fine using a chemical that Canada has previously phased out, export markets can say they don’t want that chemical so they don’t want Alberta grain. Canada is fine because GrainCos don’t let Alberta grain get mixed in with Canadian grain because the different regulations make it a complicated mess with big potential for issues.

There is a huge spectrum for theoretic possibilities. It would be naive to just think Canada would let a separated state continue to use their regulatory reputation and products to market the separated resources under.

[goalieguy847]

These are some really good points .

interesting thought experiment

i recently learned something new in regards to a popular argument for separation that we would have MORE right to access to tidewater.. which is TECHnically correct.
but what the law reads is " transit" not a right to infrastructure OR a right to build. So deals would still need to be made in order to build a pipeline thru those areas...

Also. Because trudeau bought the trans mountain... it would stay as canadian owned. Which would make negotiating that oil flow.. very interesting. I would assume alberta would get the keystone pipeline going immediately.

[goalieguy847]

It is an irrelevant question. Manitoba and Saskatchewan would do the math on what their fair share of the tax bill will be if they remain in the country, and will join Alberta before breakfast.

Again..

Manitoba votes ndp. They have been getting equalization payments since its inception. You think that they would vote in favour of leaving? Or that alberta / sask would take them?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Again..

Manitoba votes ndp. They have been getting equalization payments since its inception. You think that they would vote in favour of leaving? Or that alberta / sask would take them?

I think provincial borders are irrelevant arbitrary lines on a map. I should say regions, not former provincial names. The parts of Manitoba which are economically relevant don't vote NDP.

[chuckChuck]

Huh? Winnipeg has 700,000 people out of 1 million population and you think that their economic contribution is not significant? LOL

Well then that would be the same for Edmonton and Calgary don't you think?

They also voted NDP in the last election too! Did you forget already?

Absurd 5 is just another ignorant rural Albertan telling us its only the resource sector and agriculture that matter!

Everybody else is just a freeloader!

[chuckChuck]

Too bad Absurd 5 has me blocked so he can't even mount a challenge.

Thanks for giving me free reign there Absurd 5!

[goalieguy847]

Dammit chuck. Dont come in here and be a dink.

Youre just as ignorant on alberta separation as all of us are because ITS NEVER happened again.

Gad. Let people have their opinions. Perspectives.
its a fun debate. Nobody can say a thing with any certainty and that includes you.

Be anti separatist. Currently i am.
but dont be a wank about it.

[goalieguy847]

I think provincial borders are irrelevant arbitrary lines on a map. I should say regions, not former provincial names. The parts of Manitoba which are economically relevant don't vote NDP.

technically all borders are irrelevant lines. But they are there what separates us in so many things more than just by people ( policy. Etc etc)

its not like half of manitoba could just vote to leave. Or half of alberta could.

All or none. The beauty of democracy.

[shtferbrains]

If Alberta and Saskatchewan are gone and the Equalization idea remains, won't Manitoba become one of the top have provinces paying instead of collecting.
They can't all be have not.

I don't see this happening without very dynamic leadership at about the Ronald Reagan level.
Urban Canadian voters seem to be happy with status quo and a shift to socialism.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I am not optimistic that a majority of voters could ever be educated enough to understand the dire long-term economic consequences of remaining in the failed anti-industry socialist experiment of canada.

I don't see the long drawn out Democratic process being at all useful saving in us from ourselves.

I expect the threat of a wealth tax will be enough motivation for those who actually make the decisions to negotiate with the US on our behalf, and we will wake up one day to learn that we have now achieved statehood.
Without a shot fired or a vote cast.

Anything less would be so devastating to investment in the region and so drastically erode our negotiating position that it would be economic suicide.