Global renewable energy generation surpasses coal for first time

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Completion required universal affordability. No where can I think of an instance where government was involved in the process except to encourage extraction.

Quite the opposite.

In many cases governments were putting up roadblocks to discourage adoption of the new improved more efficient cheaper alternatives.

Look at the prohibitive rules the first automobiles had to follow, so as not to spook horses etc.

[blackpowder]

Where did government roadblock energy resource extraction other than with the Parks system.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I see, you are referring to extraction, my example is in application.

[chuckChuck]

Yes, ev is the foreseeable future, today.

The transitions from wood to petroleum each took decades.
Completion required universal affordability. No where can I think of an instance where government was involved in the process except to encourage extraction.
Each of these points are the opposite of the current fantasy.

Yeah its Trump who wants to block cheaper and better EVs from China and Europe in a race backwards.

Evs are already the lowest cost alternative in China and much more efficient at 80%. ICEs are going to be a thing of the past as China's economy and manufacturing and innovation are better than much of the US.

Detroit and Donny are living in the past and will lose market share around the world to China.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

you support electric cars. But you hate Elon musk and wish him ill will at every opportunity.

[Hamloc]

Yeah its Trump who wants to block cheaper and better EVs from China and Europe in a race backwards.

Evs are already the lowest cost alternative in China and much more efficient at 80%. ICEs are going to be a thing of the past as China's economy and manufacturing and innovation are better than much of the US.

Detroit and Donny are living in the past and will lose market share around the world to China.

China has a highly subsidized car manufacturing industry. China owns or controls over 70% of the raw materials needed to build EV’s, certainly one of the major factors contributing to higher cost EV’s that are built in North America and Europe. Just under 60% of China’s electricity is generated from coal, making electrical inputs cheaper. But Chuck2 your environmental fanaticism says that it is absolutely fine to terminate our industry and jobs and turn them over to a hostile country like China.

EV division of Ford lost over $5 billion last year, the ICE division made over $5 billion. Government dictated industry or business direction is rarely profitable and requires high levels of subsidization.

[Hamloc]

"The transition from horsepower to coal was a gradual process that took over a century, beginning with coal's initial commercial use around 1748 and not fully overtaking wood (which was the primary source of energy before coal) until 1885
. For the specific transition from horse to coal, the process was also slow; by 1840, coal had only reached about 5% of the global energy market, and it wasn't until 1884 that coal overtook wood in North America."


"The transition from steam power to gasoline-powered internal combustion engines in vehicles took approximately
two to three decades, with the shift occurring primarily from the late 19th and early 20th centuries, becoming particularly dominant after World War I. Early steam cars were popular in the 1890s and early 1900s, but their decline was driven by the growing convenience and reliability of the internal combustion engine, leading to gasoline-powered cars becoming dominant by the 1930s.
Global electric car sales exceeded 17 million in 2024"


International Energy Agency

[url]https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025/trends-in-electric-car-markets-2[/url]

More than 20% of new cars sold worldwide were electric
Electric car sales topped 17 million worldwide in 2024, rising by more than 25%.1 ([url]https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025/trends-in-electric-car-markets-2#reference-1[/url]) Just the additional 3.5 million cars sold in 2024 compared to 2023 outnumber total electric car sales in the whole of 2020. China maintained its lead among major markets, with electric car sales exceeding 11 million – more than were sold worldwide just 2 years earlier. Global sales were slightly tempered by stagnating growth in Europe, as subsidies were phased out or reduced in several major markets, and as the EU CO₂ targets for cars remained the same between 2023 and 2024. Electric car sales continued to increase in the United States although growth was about one-quarter that of the previous year. Significantly, outside of these three major markets, there was a record increase in sales of nearly 40% to reach 1.3 million, closing in on the United States’ sales of 1.6 million electric cars.

11 million of the 17 million EV’s sold “worldwide” were sold within China, so only 6 million sold in the rest of the world. Funny how when you look at reality it greatly changes the context. So less than 10% of the cars sold outside China were EV’s.

[shtferbrains]

China also includes Tesla.
They have a plant there and are near or at the top of the BEV sales.
Plug ins dominate the market.

[shtferbrains]

20% of China's ev buyer are purchasing their first car.
Per capita car ownership ia less than 1/4 of N America.
Lots of room to grow if the Chicoms can get the economy going again.
They want to dominate the world auto market by selling people a car that is a copy the same as the do with the Honda pumps or the S780 combine.