Robert F Kennedy Jr. - Health, Food System, and Agriculture? Wow again!

[cropgrower]

And Crop, Wilton says you are wrong about vaccines and autism!

And every person on this site has benefited greatly since childhood vaccines prevented numerous diseases that plagued humanity before vaccines eradicated most of them.

sure , we shud just trust everything we are told and never ask questions

[A990]

But its hard to believe that Republicans who have been big supporters of agribusiness seed and chemical companies and the industrial food system are suddenly going to turn on them.

newsflash...many "republicans" are former democrats

[fjlip]

Isn't it astounding to watch the brainwashing occurring in real time right in front of our eyes.

Chuck and the other nfu types would have been his biggest proponents before the TV told them they need to hate him.

RFK checks all the boxes. Anti big pharma anti-fossil fuels, anti big business, anti big agriculture, pro environment, lifelong Democrat.

At risk of sounding repetitive, I'll say it again.
Principles.

Isn't that accurate CC?

You love all he promotes....IF a Dumbocrat!

[agstar77]

sure , we shud just trust everything we are told and never ask questions

Newsflash: Dead people do not develop autism.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Newsflash: Dead people do not develop autism.

There's a lot of Truth to that. With many things in life. Thinking back to the statistical analysis of bullet holes in airplanes during world war II. When they drew all the wrong conclusions because they were only analyzing the planes that made it back, not the ones that crashed because of bullet holes.

A thought that has crossed my mind, what if all of the children who were genetically predisposed, and would have died of these childhood diseases in the era prior to vaccines, are now living much longer, but perhaps those same genetic conditions are what caused them to develop autism or autoimmune diseases?

Survival of the fittest might be cruel, but it got our species this far successfully. Attempting to circumvent that highly successful mechanism will inevitably have unintended consequences.
The moral implications of that would be profound.

[agstar77]

Basically the point is without modern treatments there would be a higher mortality rate.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Basically the point is without modern treatments there would be a higher mortality rate.

Or do many treatments just shift the mortality to a different cause?

[biglentil]

Just a reminder Chucky real science is objectively measureable, demonstrable and repeatable. Your cult of $cientism is based entirely on psuedoscience.

[WiltonRanch]

Or do many treatments just shift the mortality to a different cause?

Certainly but the mortalities previously prevented far outweigh later mortalities. Genetic mutations are a double edged sword. For example, the genetic mutation which allowed people to survive the plague has been linked to rise of autoimmune disorders. Fair hair and skin colour for lower sunlight locales makes one prone to skin cancer. The genetic ability of hunter gatherers to sustain on no food for literal weeks makes them prone to type 2 diabetes and resulting cardiovascular disease with a modern high carb ultra processed diet. Kinda delves away from vaccines but shows other factors at play here.

[blackpowder]

Let us not forget the simple. For context.
In the last 40 years the definition and diagnosis of autism has been greatly refined and expanded. Leading to far greater numbers falling within the scope. Today, I would have been able to fit within the spectrum in primary school.
Thinking also, most laymen not trained to understand the complex spectrum.
While we're debating the numeracy of the vaccine risk, we shouldn't forget the same regarding preventable disease.
When any one of them should strike our family, we must look to the mirror for responsibility.

Essentially, a 1 or 2 in 100,000 chance (if proven)
Or a 25% chance if directly infected. (polio, serious side effects) No treatment available.
Perhaps it might be said we could always strive for better tools, but no one can argue those numbers.