Polls and Elections

[WiltonRanch]

As archaic as folks believe fptp is, the liberal party wouldn’t think of ever giving it up as it has been the benefactor of majority governments because of it. If you were to go to some form of proportional representation conservatives and your beloved ndp would fare better. However, this would also see representation from the ppc and more gpc. Is that what you want Chuck?

Wouldnt an overhaul of the senate evenly weighted and elected regionally be a better start than a list of party hacks getting acclaimed because the party has a quota of seats to fill? Not a detractor of pr by any means but European examples came with some unintended consequences I don’t think you would care for.

[blackpowder]

Well, that ends the thread for Chuck.
Good work Wilton.

[chuckChuck]

So you are going to give PEI with a population of 178,000 the same number of senators as Ontario, Quebec and Alberta?

We don't need a senate.

But what we do need is a house that represents the votes of Canadians.

If the PPC or Greens get 2% of the vote nationally they will have 2% representation

There are many examples of successful electoral systems based on proportional representation.

National Poll

A December 2022 EKOS poll ([url]https://www.fairvote.ca/nationalpoll/[/url]) shows

76% of Canadians—including a strong majority of supporters of all parties—back a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform.

Support for the fundamental principle of proportional representation is strong. 90% say that Parliament should reflect how people voted. 78% think that majority governments should have at least 50% of the popular vote.

Canadians firmly oppose any single party alone changing the electoral system to suit their preferences.

[chuckChuck]

[url]https://www.fairvote.ca/21/09/2021/canada-election-2021-first-past-the-post-cheats-voters/[/url]

[Hamloc]

[QUOTE=chuckChuck;n804037]So you are going to give PEI with a population of 178,000 the same number of senators as Ontario, Quebec and Alberta?

We don't need a senate.

But what we do need is a house that represents the votes of Canadians.

At present Atlantic Canada has 30 senators. Total population of Atlantic Canada(Nova Scotia, NewBrunswick, Newfoundland and PEI) is roughly 2.5 million. Alberta with a population approaching 5 million has 6 senators. How is that for equitable?! And yes I do think we need a senate but it needs to be far more regionally equitable and it needs to be more effective!!

[WiltonRanch]

[QUOTE=Hamloc;n804044]

So you are going to give PEI with a population of 178,000 the same number of senators as Ontario, Quebec and Alberta?

We don't need a senate.

But what we do need is a house that represents the votes of Canadians.

At present Atlantic Canada has 30 senators. Total population of Atlantic Canada(Nova Scotia, NewBrunswick, Newfoundland and PEI) is roughly 2.5 million. Alberta with a population approaching 5 million has 6 senators. How is that for equitable?! And yes I do think we need a senate but it needs to be far more regionally equitable and it needs to be more effective!!

You said it. Still think we need a second body like the senate with a more regional view vs rep by pop like HOc. NDP figures senate be abolished but that’s juvenile wet behind the ears thinking. Senate is there to prevent a tyranny of the majority. Provided capable and elected people make up the senate. Socialists think they’re always right and can’t handle criticism so no need for a secondary chamber to question you.

[blackpowder]

Electoral reform has been a shot down buzzword for a century or more.
I'm open to all concepts.
A PR system will result in a future of coalition governments. Okay.....
But why now and who when all talk of change has been futile previously?
And who has been blocking it for so long? The same people with the most to lose in PR perhaps.....
An elected Senate with equal Senators from each province will never happen for the same reasons.
Although it still has merit.
And then I tried to draw a line through some of this.
I don't wish to denounce PR simply based on the people who are on fair vote.ca
But why now?
Fair vote made up entirely of the granola crowd.
AB-SK couldn't get talk of change for 100 years, but it's okay for Chuck and Suzuki to talk about it now. Oh yeah, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith (bill c-293) is on the board too.
Canada will continue to become more like Europe. Look closely, is that what you want? Maybe we already are.
Change is needed but it's who's asking that concerns me here.
And most importantly, how does this affect Quebec? Francophonie First will die.
Thank you for the thought provoking post.

[furrowtickler]

Trudeau going to realize he is actually part of the fringe minority with unacceptable views

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Trudeau going to realize he is actually part of the fringe minority with unacceptable views

That will go down in history as the ultimate attempt to gaslight an entire country.

A few Chucks even fell for it.

[cropgrower]

yes he will soon be the small fringe minority , and it cant happen soon enough