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Canadian Carbon Rebate

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  • chuckChuck
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2006
    • 12794

    #12
    Trees are good so maybe farmers should stop clearing them if they want carbon credits for zero till?

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    • AlbertaFarmer5
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 12516

      #13
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      Trees are good so maybe farmers should stop clearing them if they want carbon credits for zero till?
      And how many trees have you planted or allowed to regrow on your imaginary farm? Or is it only trees that are removed in modern times that are the problem, not the ones your ancestors removed?

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      • furrowtickler
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2004
        • 21880

        #14
        Then add the massive amount of carbon crops , hay and pasture absorb.
        and yes the benefits of min / zero till .
        Canada is slashing its own throat with the carbon tax for nothing

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        • chuckChuck
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2006
          • 12794

          #15
          Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
          Then add the massive amount of carbon crops , hay and pasture absorb.
          and yes the benefits of min / zero till .
          Canada is slashing its own throat with the carbon tax for nothing
          We are not net zero because all those sinks also release CO2 as well. Trees, grass and most carbon sinks release carbon over time. They were in equilibrium more or less for 1000s of years.

          Cultivated soils also release Nitrous Oxide in large amounts regardless of sequestration.

          The CO2 levels are still going up because of carbon from fossil fuels.

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          • furrowtickler
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2004
            • 21880

            #16
            Then there is the extremely expensive DEF systems used in North America , that already cut emissions dramatically.
            I watched a farm tour yesterday from Argentina , zero DEF or emissions systems on any machines. And yes most were all newer tractors, combines and sprayers on very large modern farms .
            Yes , zero emissions let alone tier 5 or 6 or whatever we are at .
            No carbon tax there , no emissions control .
            Then go to Brazil , China , India , All of Africa , Russia , Ukraine……. That’s where the vast May C02 emissions are coming from … that’s a fact
            yet Canadians are being punished for being responsible and doing our part long before this carbon tax came to be .

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            • Hamloc
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 3928

              #17
              Chuck2, what you fail to address is that the carbon tax in Canada is a net cost to Canadians. And regardless of the percentage that emissions go down in Canada it will not influence the world’s climate one bit. Emissions don’t stop at the border. So the net cost to each Canadian of the carbon tax, according to the PBO, as an example for Alberta will be $2773 dollars per family by 2030, will be added on top of the cost to each Canadian family, according to Stephen Guilbeault, of $2000 by 2050. He says this is the cost of doing nothing. Climate related costs won’t change by what is done in Canada. By imposing the carbon tax, you are more than doubling the cost to each Canadian family as world emissions continue to rise. Canada is only 1.5% of the worlds emissions. By making life more expensive in Canada with a carbon tax we are only hurting ourselves!!!

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              • sumdumguy
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 11976

                #18
                Canada should be the last country to be punished for pollution of any type, never mind carbon ( that isn’t a pollutant ) when our trees alone absorb 10 times the carbon that we produce. This carbon Bee Ess is the biggest con-job that the marxists pulled off. To believe it is proof of people’s gullibility.

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                • shtferbrains
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2017
                  • 5204

                  #19
                  NASA says Canada sinks carbon for the rest of the world.

                  You believe NASA is unchallenged in the data and interpretation don't you Chuck?

                  That's the end of that argument?

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                  • furrowtickler
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 21880

                    #20
                    Trudeau keeps bringing up that 8/10 Canadians benefit for the rebate .
                    interesting , even though a lie , it follows the 80/20 rule
                    20% of the working population supporting the other 80% .
                    they even admit now

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