How EVs compare to gas cars on emissions over their total lifespan

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Ha ha

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Occasionally Chuck stumbles on a nugget of truth which completely contradicts his mantra.
He correctly notes that the average consumer has no means of storing fossil fuel energy so must buy hand to mouth.
But his go to solution to intermittent energy is always storage. Sun doesn't shine all winter, need more storage. Wind doesn't blow for days at a time, just add storage.
EVs need to charge at night when they aren't in use, when the sun doesn't shine, the consumer just needs to add storage.

Meanwhile, storing energy dense diesel or gasoline is much cheaper, safer, has a smaller footprint, doesn't require any rare earth metals, or high tech containers, doesn't spontaneously combust, etc.
So the consumer cannot afford or isn't allowed due to bylaws to store energy in fossil fuels.
But they will for sure be willing and able(and can afford) to store energy in batteries.

[chuckChuck]

Most consumers don't have storage for any cheap fuel and gas up weekly. So driving on .46 cent per litre diesel from 2021 is irrelevant.

If the cost of owning and operating vehicles and value for money was the top issue for many consumers, then the truck market would be a lot smaller than it is.

The lowest cost option at present is still a small ICE car. Soon to be replaced by a small EV car.

Most people live in cities and drive very few miles each week.

And when they are stuck in traffic their EV is hardly using any electricity nor belching out pollutants that foul the air and send many to an early grave.

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It's good that I live in the present, and not on someone's projection screen.

Otherwise, I couldn't project that the 2008, 2500 Ram, diesel, with 306,000km dialed on mostly mild weather driving will easily make it to government regulated 2030 death on the surplus of $0.46/liter fuel stored from 2021.

Does your transporter have a full ice? If so, what is your percentage of ice mode miles?

I've often wondered about one issue people and what they drive, and what drives them. At least, some do consider cost, even if extrapolated.

[chuckChuck]

Your case. It's got to be math, or an apple - lemon thing. Is there upfront cost of carry in the article equation, or just fuel cost? Sounds like just emissions.

Now you are needing two systems for transportation, and you need at least two systems for farm electricity. And you are touting that that is better for the environment and cheaper than a one fits all tried and true system. What other two systems do you have because I'd like to get in on a redundant system that says the more I spend, the more I will hang onto. And what about hanging onto?

What do you consider to be the lifespan of your EV? I won't say hybrid because when your EV system craps out, you won't run a gas car to extend its purchase use, will you?

The costs that I listed are the fuel cost comparisons of the EV kilometers vs the gasoline kilometers. On that front the EV miles based on Sask Power rates are about 1/2 the cost of the gas miles.

The PV system will pay for itself in about 10-12 years and lower my long term cost of electricity. On average I produce about the same amount as I use each year.

The lifespan of EVs is at least the same as ICE vehicles and probably longer because there ar far fewer moving parts. Battery lifespans are in many cases longer than the vehicle itself. And technology is improving rapidly.

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Your case. It's got to be math, or an apple - lemon thing. Is there upfront cost of carry in the article equation, or just fuel cost? Sounds like just emissions.

Now you are needing two systems for transportation, and you need at least two systems for farm electricity. And you are touting that that is better for the environment and cheaper than a one fits all tried and true system. What other two systems do you have because I'd like to get in on a redundant system that says the more I spend, the more I will hang onto. And what about hanging onto?

What do you consider to be the lifespan of your EV? I won't say hybrid because when your EV system craps out, you won't run a gas car to extend its purchase use, will you?

[chuckChuck]

may i ask what type of ev you drive and how does the mileage decrease in winter .. say
.. on a minus 20 day?
and waiiiiitttt you run a hybrid? Thats cheating!

Our hybrid is designed to run on electric above -10 C. You can look up range loss on the internet as there is plenty of first hand evidence of how EVs perform in cold weather. And just like ICE vehicles lose range in cold weather, EVs do as well.

Teslas when plugged in keep their batteries warm and can precondition the cabin in a few minutes.

[chuckChuck]

Check the price charts because the price of lithium is a way down from the peak at the end of 2022.

Most of the minerals used in a battery can be recycled & reused again over & over. Unless I've been mislead.

Indirectly involved in this.
[url]https://batteryindustry.tech/lithium-australia-zinc-and-manganese-from-recycled-batteries-as-a-source-of-fertilizer-micronutrients/[/url]

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Most of the minerals used in a battery can be recycled & reused again over & over. Unless I've been mislead.