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  • chuckChuck
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2006
    • 12984

    #11
    SMRS are the most expensive option. None have been built or licensed in Canada. Ontario will maybe be the first and come on line much later than planned. Everybody else will wait and watch to see how much over budget they are. Alberta and Saskatchewan will subsidize the hell out of them, even though they don't pick winners and losers! LOL

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    • furrowtickler
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2004
      • 22068

      #12
      Add up what it costs for all this intermittent power like wind and solar is costing, has cost , and will cost , then times by 2 because it’s only producing 1/2 the time or less
      So nuclear maybe cheaper option , and it will be 24/7 , 365 days a year , emissions free . What is the cost of the new generation smaller nuclear plants ? Are they really cost prohibitive, or is that just a crutch used by those heavily invested in wind and solar ?
      don’t know , but it’s an extremely valid question.

      keep solar and wind for window dressing intermittent use , that’s all it’s good for but stop pouring billions of tax payers money into something that can’t supply reliable constant power during a Canadian winter or at times even summer .. it’s absurd already .

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      • furrowtickler
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2004
        • 22068

        #13
        Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
        Local county having meetings about building a nuclear plant. That would be world changing there. Hard to even imagine the implications that could have.

        Much more profound than the wind and solar popping up, and the straw plants that come and go.
        Keep us updated on those meetings please if you don’t mind
        would be great to hear about the real numbers involved in that proposed project .

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        • chuckChuck
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2006
          • 12984

          #14
          We can maximize wind and solar at higher levels than now. Make sure there is reliable backup when needed and over time storage will become a better option and that will help.

          Both Alberta and Saskatchewan are both installing solar and wind under the AESO and Sask powers management. How much more will work? That's a good question. Some countries have larger percentages than we do. So we can probably still add more without risking supply shortages.

          Remember the grid in Canada is out of date in many ways. The smart grid that's coming will help manage more renewables effectively.

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          • furrowtickler
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2004
            • 22068

            #15
            A lot of assumptions there , that may or may not turn out .
            nuclear works and nothing more efficient than small nuclear reactors. The US navy is proof of that .

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              #16
              Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
              Add up what it costs for all this intermittent power like wind and solar is costing, has cost , and will cost , then times by 2 because it’s only producing 1/2 the time or less
              So nuclear maybe cheaper option , and it will be 24/7 , 365 days a year , emissions free . What is the cost of the new generation smaller nuclear plants ? Are they really cost prohibitive, or is that just a crutch used by those heavily invested in wind and solar ?
              don’t know , but it’s an extremely valid question.

              keep solar and wind for window dressing intermittent use , that’s all it’s good for but stop pouring billions of tax payers money into something that can’t supply reliable constant power during a Canadian winter or at times even summer .. it’s absurd already .
              Darrin doesn’t answer valid questions

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              • Blaithin
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2016
                • 2521

                #17
                The most interesting thing about the possibility is the local economy.

                Current green projects don’t do a lot for the local economy. They bring in their workers, they really don’t hire local. They boost hotels for a bit, restaurants, and increase the amount of road works the county needs to spend money on. Then in a short period of time they go away and leave behind a small maintenance crew.

                A nuclear plant would create stable jobs for hundreds of people. That county has one gas station in it. One. There are no real towns, it’s only revenue is agriculture and O&G. I’m not even sure if it has any green projects in it. An operational plant would breath life into local towns and cities and explode that entire county in a way that none of the wind or solar have managed even when they’re all combined.

                People would be moving in to local towns, schools would be rejuvenated, the centres that people drive too out there for supplies would feel the impact of increasing populations. It would be like watching a desert come to life after a rain.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
                  The most interesting thing about the possibility is the local economy.

                  Current green projects don’t do a lot for the local economy. They bring in their workers, they really don’t hire local. They boost hotels for a bit, restaurants, and increase the amount of road works the county needs to spend money on. Then in a short period of time they go away and leave behind a small maintenance crew.

                  A nuclear plant would create stable jobs for hundreds of people. That county has one gas station in it. One. There are no real towns, it’s only revenue is agriculture and O&G. I’m not even sure if it has any green projects in it. An operational plant would breath life into local towns and cities and explode that entire county in a way that none of the wind or solar have managed even when they’re all combined.

                  People would be moving in to local towns, schools would be rejuvenated, the centres that people drive too out there for supplies would feel the impact of increasing populations. It would be like watching a desert come to life after a rain.
                  Good luck , looks like you have some forward thinking people in your county!

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                  • furrowtickler
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 22068

                    #19
                    Back to the original post , if it is based on burning straw , it will be a white elephant project , pockets filled in the meantime with taxpayers money for some company to max out their ESG’s then walk away . They will not get enough cheap straw to make it feasible, not with todays farming practices.

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                    • AlbertaFarmer5
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 12567

                      #20
                      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                      SMRS are the most expensive option. None have been built or licensed in Canada. Ontario will maybe be the first and come on line much later than planned. Everybody else will wait and watch to see how much over budget they are. Alberta and Saskatchewan will subsidize the hell out of them, even though they don't pick winners and losers! LOL
                      You keep telling us how nuclear is the most expensive, while wind and solar are the cheapest generation options.
                      Do You have any explanation why electricity in Germany is twice as expensive as electricity in France? Germany using 48% renewables, France using 63% nuclear?

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