PTRC releases paper on compressed air energy storage

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Compressed air thats a whole new level of dumb. Compressing air is terribly inefficient as heat is a by product, energy density is awful as well, then converting back to a useful form of energy again terribly inefficient.

Yes, but when the "cheapest generation" used to perform that terribly inefficient conversion of energy from kinetic to potential and back to kinetic, only costs 28 times more than the fossil fuel energy it is competing with, then wasting 1/2 to 3/4 of that cheapest energy becomes almost irrelevant.( at 25 to 45% round trip efficiency) Source: [url]https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/6324034/prod21323243995265.ecos2011_paper%5B1%5D.pdf[/url]
At this point, it doesn't really matter if renewable energy with storage is 28 times, or 50 times, or 100 times more expensive than fossil fuels. Just degrees of absurdity.

[chuckChuck]

The white paper is from the Petroleum Technology Research Centre in Regina. There are already facilities operating in the US and Germany.

Who do you think has more credibility on assessing the compressed air energy storage?

Little Lentil who thinks the earth is flat? Or A5 who thinks we need more CO2 in the atmosphere not less? LOL

Or the Petroleum Technology Research Centre?

Wind and solar according to IEA are the lowest cost sources of electricity from new facilities in many countries.

[cropgrower]

great way for you CC to generate some energy , fully renewable

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Wind and solar according to IEA are the lowest cost sources of electricity from new facilities in many countries.

Just keep repeating this mantra over and over again.
But make no effort to explain why you posted evidence that investment in fossil fuels returns 28 times more energy per dollar invested.

[Guest]

The white paper is from the Petroleum Technology Research Centre in Regina. There are already facilities operating in the US and Germany.

Who do you think has more credibility on assessing the compressed air energy storage?

Little Lentil who thinks the earth is flat? Or A5 who thinks we need more CO2 in the atmosphere not less? LOL

Or the Petroleum Technology Research Centre?

Wind and solar according to IEA are the lowest cost sources of electricity from new facilities in many countries.

Sounds like a great way to get some numb nut bucks

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Sounds like a great way to get some numb nut bucks

The above mentioned group just so happens to know a thing or two about drilling holes in the ground and geology, and compression and piping etc.
They have been watching the limitless funds flowing to the other government sponsored green scams and the Trans Mountain Pipeline, and everyone wants to get a piece of the action.

[chuckChuck]

You have said renewables with storage would be a good idea. But how do you get there if you don't do research?

ICE are 20% efficient while EVs are 80% efficient and my hybrid EV miles are 1/2 the cost of gasoline miles and you are complaining about efficiency and the cost of compressed air storage?

Are you still using your first cell phone and computer Abby?

[Hamloc]

You have said renewables with storage would be a good idea. But how do you get there if you don't do research?

ICE are 20% efficient while EVs are 80% efficient and my hybrid EV miles are 1/2 the cost of gasoline miles and you are complaining about efficiency and the cost of compressed air storage?

Are you still using your first cell phone and computer Abby?

Meanwhile, in the real world Ford motor company lost $36000 on every EV it sold in the third quarter, for a total loss of $1.3 billion in the EV segment. Ford has downgraded future sales targets as consumer uptake of EV’s is lower than anticipated. Ford also said it would delay $12 billion of its planned $15 billion in EV-related investments.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You have said renewables with storage would be a good idea. But how do you get there if you don't do research?

ICE are 20% efficient while EVs are 80% efficient and my hybrid EV miles are 1/2 the cost of gasoline miles and you are complaining about efficiency and the cost of compressed air storage?

Are you still using your first cell phone and computer Abby?

That was back before you revealed to us that renewables are actually 28 times more expensive based on dollars invested.

Based on your prior claims that renewables are practically free, and knowing that the resource is virtually unlimited, but completely useless to an industrial society due to intermittency, then storage, no matter how inefficient, would be a great solution.

But after you bragged that renewables are 28 times more expensive, even before adding storage, i was forced to reconsider my position.

Because 28, times 4 ( using 25% efficient compressed air storage), is over 100 times as expensive as fossil fuels, and that isn't even including the cost of building the storage.

Are you ever going to address my concerns about the disparity in investment vs energy output that you brought to our attention?

[chuckChuck]

Sure Abby. You know more than the IEA about renewables and their potential! And you can forecast the future too! Even if you are wrong about a lot of things in the present!