Just got our share of Federal Money

[wmoebis]

It would be interesting to see how many producers don't qualify and how much money actually gets to producers.

This along with how many initial grain payment checks for $0.00 or under $10.00 were sent out by the CWB.

Then advertise this in the urban papers. See how they would take it if there pay check was $0.00 after they worked and thier companies took all expenses.

How long would Monsanto have employees if it was them?

[caseman]

I did an interim for CAIS in DEC. 2004.
I recieved $7000.00 then did my CAIS
final in OCT. 2005. Zero payment which
means I owe the Feds $7000.00.

They got their money this week as they took their $7000.00 off the top of the grain and oilseeds payment. So my payment this week was basically nothing.

Cais program is the biggest ripoff the gov. has ever given us.

[grassfarmer]

CAIS 03 seemed to pay out around my area pretty well, mainly to beef or beef and grain guys. I know I got over $200 per cow out of it and most of my neighbours seemed to get something similar. 04 and 05 won't be worth applying for in my case with zero prospect. Don't have any strong views on it either way - if it's there and will pay out i'll do the paperwork but I'd prefer to derive more from the marketplace vs handouts.

[SASKFARMER3]

To the young guy who has to pay back CASIP, Add a zero to your amount my margin was 200,000.00 We were wiped out completely in 2004 with the frost and after getting nothing from the 2002 frost and drought in 2003 I was told man you will come out of this looking good.
Well they did the final just in January for 2004 and I have to pay back all the $70,000.00 I received.
The last check from the feds went to pay down that amount.
What a great program.
I had a good margin and had no crop do to frost and got nothing.
Some thing is wrong with this program.
Big problem is the Ag Canada Bureaucrats that Designed it it works for Pork business and strawberry farms and peach, Christmas tree farms etc.
But for the back bone of Canada Grain, and Cattle it doesn't.

[wmoebis]

My calculations are 4 for 4 =0

Is there anyone out there that actually got money and could keep it?

I was told over the phone that it looked like the program (casip) wasn't designed for me so I never applied, now I am wondering if I should even bother applying for my share of 755m.

[dalek]

We never signed up for CAIS, just filling out the forms for GOPP this week and it looks like about $3000 for a payment. Not bad for 3-4 hours work but I'd rather see RMP in place.

[cakadu]

Didn't Alberta make some changes to the CAIS program a while back? How did that work for Alberta producers? Haven't heard anything about whether the change was good or bad.

If the CAIS and NISA before it were intended to stabilize income, then based on what these examples show, CAIS didn't do very much for anyone.

As an aside, how in heaven's name do they expect someone to pay back $70 K just like that? If a person had that kind of money they wouldn't likely need to go to any program.

[Ron]

I have had some really good years, followed by a couple horrible years and CAIS did nothing for me. But FIDP paid out a bit in the good years, I have no idea why but I cashed the cheque (I will NEVER take an advance on govt money though, they dont play nice). Good luck Tooghgoofit (not being a smartass but oilpatch can make some nice numbers in the winter).

[Ron]

Toughgoofit: did you fill out the forms or your accountant? The people at CAIS are very nice people but its not there money and they make mistakes, ask why the change and get some advice from a good accountant. If it doesnt help it will still be the best money you ever waste (you will know you got screwed fair and square?)

[SASKFARMER3]

Yes I have the Same question, Did any one ever get a decent check from CASIP and get to keep it.
In our area we have high margins due to good years then the shit hit the fan and we had frost of 2002 the drought of 2003 and frost of 2004 and finally no prices in 2005 and my accountant still says their is no way we will get any thing from CASIP. They will come out with final prices and change the program on a daily basis.
I am sorry but I Put the blame for this Agriculture mess in one departments hands not the politicians but the Bureaucrats at Ag Canada that create all these programs.
After some 10 years of programs that were suppose to be green we have farmers in worse situation than before and the only winners are the thousands of Ag Canada Bureaucrats that Got Jobs in Regina, Winnipeg etc.
The US and Europe have killed western Canada agriculture and on the other hand having a country that has a superior program in Quebec to help their farmers wile the Province runs a huge deficit and the rest of Canada is suffering, Some thing is wrong.