Welcome to Canada, the land of free roads, cheap gas – and the world’s least fuel-eff

[chuckChuck]

Water vapor is not ignored at all in climate science. Give up!

"Water Vapor

Water vapor is another greenhouse gas and plays a key role in climate feedbacks because of its heat-trapping ability. Warmer air holds more moisture than cooler air. Therefore, as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and global temperatures rise, the total amount of water vapor in the atmosphere also increases, further amplifying the warming effect.5"

https://www.epa.gov/climatechange-science/basics-climate-change

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Looks like I owe an apology to Chuck.

I have been referring to electric vehicles as being coal powered.

As it turns out, many are actually diesel powered instead.

That seems like a big improvement in the quest to save the world from plant food.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/30/largest-ev-charging-station-in-the-world-uses-diesel-powered-generators/

[fjlip]

Diesel smoke and MIRRORS...Hide, don't tell, LIE....

[chuckChuck]

80 % of Canada's electricity supply is already non carbon emitting.

[blackpowder]

Then let's all move to Quebec and live happily ever after.

[chuckChuck]

Then let's all move to Quebec and live happily ever after.

Or Manitoba or BC. Mostly hydro.

[blackpowder]

Awesome. An answer for everything.
Should vast areas with no chance of hydro pay those with? Where are they building new dams?
Or we can build nuclear and sell it to California as we're closer.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Awesome. An answer for everything.
Should vast areas with no chance of hydro pay those with? Where are they building new dams?
Or we can build nuclear and sell it to California as we're closer.

Chuck is the ultimate hypocrite on this topic. His answer to this is always hydro. Yet the NFU of which he is or was among the executive, and where he gets all of his talking points, has been fighting against hydro dams for years.
So hydro is the only solution they offer, and they will fight that tooth and nail.

[blackpowder]

And why the denial/acceptance of the right to self determination?
Over a century of one sided trade and recognition. A century of failed Senate reform discussions. 2 PMs over last 50 years speaking of us with open disdain.
If only we could be more like Quebec.
The path is clear, we should be.
However it may be too late. The political power has changed to what essentially are city states. Unable to get behind a realistic vision and commit to building.
Chuck's bag of popcorn plan is all we have support for. Number of people truly behind an executable action plan are dwindling.
He'll go out with a smirk of satisfaction on his face. Me a grin of "reap what you sow".

[chuckChuck]

I support more hydro power where it is feasible and makes sense. And also more wind and solar PV to reduce emissions all backed up when needed. gas can be used for backup. Coal is done in Canada.

Its going to take longer than 2035. Especially if the " free market" conservatives change their stripes and pick winners and losers instead of letting the market decide in Alberta.

Saskatchewan and Alberta say net zero by 2050. Only 15 years different than the feds.

[shtferbrains]

With the recently released report from NASA with actual data proving that Canada does not emit CO2 and actually sinks more than we produce, why do we feel we have to achieve more than 80% renewable.


Can you say it another way? Canada doesn't emit CO2.

How can you emit less than ZERO?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I support more hydro power where it is feasible and makes sense. And also more wind and solar PV to reduce emissions all backed up when needed. gas can be used for backup. Coal is done in Canada.

Its going to take longer than 2035. Especially if the " free market" conservatives change their stripes and pick winners and losers instead of letting the market decide in Alberta.

Saskatchewan and Alberta say net zero by 2050. Only 15 years different than the feds.

So in what locations is new hydro feasible and makes sense? Because you're NFU doesn't seem to support any new hydro.
And there has never been any such thing as letting the market decide. There have been mandates and subsidies and special terms and conditions for renewables from the very start. If the free market were actually free to decide, and they had to sell their production under the same terms that reliable power does, there wouldn't be a solar panel or windmill in this entire country.

[chuckChuck]

So in what locations is new hydro feasible and makes sense? Because you're NFU doesn't seem to support any new hydro.
And there has never been any such thing as letting the market decide. There have been mandates and subsidies and special terms and conditions for renewables from the very start. If the free market were actually free to decide, and they had to sell their production under the same terms that reliable power does, there wouldn't be a solar panel or windmill in this entire country.

I will leave hydro site selection up to the utilities and regulators.

The deregulated market in Alberta is a prime example of why solar and wind are expanding fast in Alberta. Lower generation costs and increasing market demand.

The terms are negotiated between the providers, customers and the landowners. All written into contracts and approved by the regulators.

Did you think they were doing it because it doesn't make money?

Why would a free market libertarian want to get in the way of private business? LOL

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I will leave hydro site selection up to the utilities and regulators.

Such as the utilities and regulators who approved Site C in BC? Then the NFU still opposed it.

There goes that excuse.

[chuckChuck]

Such as the utilities and regulators who approved Site C in BC? Then the NFU still opposed it.

There goes that excuse.

Well that's the NFU decision not mine.

But why would a free market libertarian like you want to get in the way of private business? LOL